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Who controls Gazeta Wyborcza??


delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
10 Sep 2012 #181
DNA doesn't lie! If this is such a big deal for you (as it apparently is since you've been belabouring the point after most everyone else has lost interest,), then drop round the GW office and get a few hairs or flakes of skin for a DNA test. Then compare the results to the prevailing Polish halpogroup. That’s all there’s to it!

You're the one that made the following two claims, which for the 26th time on this thread, we're asking you to provide a single reliable source.

what is behind that unusual concentration of people of non-Polish ancestry in a single newsroom and Agora boardroom?

That is only a partial list becuase many others are in denilal and hding behind good Polish-sounding names

I notice he's avoiding the very muddy area of Gazeta Polska's financial backing.

Of course he's avoiding it, because it isn't publicly available information ;)
sobieski 107 | 2,128
10 Sep 2012 #182
DNA doesn't lie! If this is such a big deal for you (as it apparently is since you've been belabouring the point after most everyone else has lost interest,), then drop round the GW office and get a few hairs or flakes of skin for a DNA test. Then compare the results to the prevailing Polish halpogroup. That’s all there’s to it!

This means that for you being Polish is a blood-related condition. The blood has to be pure...
I wonder what the Kashubians, Silesians, Mazurians and Górale make of this?
How does this make you different from a certain moustached fellow from before the war? And we all know where his ideas lead to.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Sep 2012 #183
Nope. Even for for the 13,456th time I'll tell you to do your own homework if this is so crucial an issue (obsession) for you. I couldn't care less!
jon357 71 | 21,107
10 Sep 2012 #184
If you couldn't care less, why did you post?

It would make a lot of sense to come right out with what you actually mean rather than making obtuse posts.
OP goofy_the_dog
10 Sep 2012 #185
"And of course it totally ignores the point that DNA isn't the same as ethnicity, nationality or culture"

Well I am sorry to dissapoint you but in my opinion ethnicity is written into our DNA, for an example a member of the etchnic group of etc... Black people will have a different genome thatn that one of the White Etchic group...

Agreed that DNA doesn't change the nationality or culture of a man!
teflcat 5 | 1,032
11 Sep 2012 #186
She just blew me; **** was SO cash

John, what does cash mean in this context? I've tried Urban Dictionary but it didn't help.
Harry
11 Sep 2012 #187
I'll tell you to do your own homework

Sorry, but you are the one who needs to produce a source, or just admit that you were lying (not that anybody is still in any doubt whatsoever about that).
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
11 Sep 2012 #188
Just wanted to see if others were aware of this fact. I need no proof, DNA or otherwise -- I KNOW. I've been there, talked to these pople, was a frequently visitor to Kuroń's place in Mickiewicza street, even attended his late son Maciek's wedding at the Żoliborz registrar's office. Anyone raised in a traditonal Polish setting would have sensed the alien vibes radiating from that company. If you weren't raised in a traditional Polish atmosphere you migth not sense that otherness', but every real Pole or Polonian would.
jon357 71 | 21,107
11 Sep 2012 #189
"Alien vibes"?

Do elaborate....
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
11 Sep 2012 #190
The blood has to be pure...

Which is a bit of a problem considering the amount of Polish people that mixed with Germans, Czechs, Slovaks, Kashubs, Belarusians, Ukrainians, etc throughout the years. If one uses blood as a definition of Polish, then one must prove an unbroken link to the start of Poland.

Nope. Even for for the 13,456th time I'll tell you to do your own homework if this is so crucial an issue (obsession) for you. I couldn't care less!

Obviously you do care, otherwise you wouldn't make up such ridiculous lies.

Just wanted to see if others were aware of this fact. I need no proof, DNA or otherwise -- I KNOW.

That sounds to me as if there is no proof. It's a usual line by PiS supporters - they won't prove anything because THEY KNOW. Except most of us work to slightly higher standards than anonymous internet posts.

Anyone raised in a traditonal Polish setting would have sensed the alien vibes radiating from that company.

How could an American know what a traditional Polish family do, given the vast difference between Polonia and Poles?

but every real Pole or Polonian would.

Please define a "real" Pole? Is it one who has had traitorous scum for a father?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
11 Sep 2012 #191
You either feel it or you don't. Someone from a different family background, with radically different views, ideas, customs and values, different frames of reference and even different in-jokes -- it is hard to pinpont and it's not just one thing, but taken together it all projects a somewhat alien and exotic ambience.

Since you don't seem to catch on to things too readily, let me give you a łopatologiczny 'for instance'. Let's say you were sent to do an interview with members of a Radio Maryja club, took part in their religious service, attended a lecture, discsussion and social hour, and listened to their banter and jokes -- you probably likewise could not readily identify with them, their value system and viewpoints. They might even be pleasant and hospitable and all, but you would not be one of them nor feel any affinity for them. If even that is incomprehensible to you, then I give up. You're hopeless!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
11 Sep 2012 #192
You either feel it or you don't.

Most of us don't rely on "feelings", but rather cold facts. We're not children.

Since you don't seem to catch on to things too readily, let me give you a łopatologiczny 'for instance'.

But I would never deny their Polishness, as much as it might be alien to me. I might think they're crazy, that they have no clue, that they should go drown themselves, whatever - but they are still Polish.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
11 Sep 2012 #193
Szkiełko i oko (oh, you probably don't know that that means) are not always infallible. Atheist Kieślowski showed the tragic results of such blind faith in science and rationalism in one of hsi Decalogue films.
Harry
11 Sep 2012 #194
I need no proof, DNA or otherwise

You mean that you have no proof. That is why you have been so utterly unable to produce even a single source to support your laughable lie and that the two sources which you did offer us stated the exact opposite of what you claimed they did.

Anyone raised in a traditonal Polish setting would have sensed the alien vibes radiating from that company.

How nice of you to speak for Poles, given that you were brought up as an American in America. Poland has moved on a lot further in the last 75 years than Polonia has (and was moving from a point further along the evolutionary chain).
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
11 Sep 2012 #195
It would be hard to deny the Polishness of Radio Maryja backers not only in terms of their patrioitc spirit (which the GW gang lack) but also as regards haplogroups. Before the war the grandparents of the GW clique were agents of a foreign power (KPP and the like), after the war they ruled the UB which killed, tortured and persecuted Polish freedom-fighters (AK, NSZ, WiN) and patriots. After 1989 they hijacked GW, which in Wałęsa's view was to have been the organ of Soldiarity and the entire anti-communist opposition, turning it into a post-KOR-ite Courier -- a paper soft on communism precisely due to the milieux in which its shakers and movers grew up. As a result, they do not realise that communism was worse than hitlerism becuase it destroyed more innocent lives. True-blue, dyed-in.-the-wool Poles have always espoused the concept of two mortals enemies -- Szwaby i Kacapy. The GW types do not.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
11 Sep 2012 #196
Before the war the grandparents of the GW clique were agents of a foreign power

Hey, Harry - another unsourced claim!

Could you provide us with a single reliable source as to this claim, as well as the following two claims made previously?

what is behind that unusual concentration of people of non-Polish ancestry in a single newsroom and Agora boardroom?

That is only a partial list becuase many others are in denilal and hding behind good Polish-sounding names

27 and counting.

What did you do to oppose, Polonius? Did you spend a considerable amount of time in prison, like Adam Michnik did?
sobieski 107 | 2,128
11 Sep 2012 #197
It would be hard to deny the Polishness of Radio Maryja backers

You mean all the Polska B babcias who funded rydzyk's Maybach from their meagre pensions?
Harry
11 Sep 2012 #199
So you mean that yet again you cannot offer even a single source which supports your latest laughable lie.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
11 Sep 2012 #200
Google KPP. Case rests.

No, Polonius - we're asking for a single reliable source to the following three claims - for the 28th time

I don't want to google anything - I'm asking you for a reliable source to these statements.

If you can't provide a source, we can just assume that you're lying.
Harry
11 Sep 2012 #201
we can just assume that you're lying.

We can assume that he's lying anyway. Or perhaps he can tell us why Adam Michnik's grandfather allowed the Soviets to murder his son, given that, according to Polonius, Adam Michnik's grandfather was a Soviet agent.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
11 Sep 2012 #202
Assume whatever you like, it's no skin off of my *****. You can deny, dodge and meander till you're blue in the face, but refuse to acknowledge what most Poles know for a fact: The GW crowd is 'them', not 'us, and it ain't Belarusians that are calling the shots!
jon357 71 | 21,107
11 Sep 2012 #203
If it isn't Belarussians, who is it?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
11 Sep 2012 #204
You tell me. Use your God-given...,oops, um, er... I mean Mother Goose (or Mother Nature) given power of deduction.
Harry
11 Sep 2012 #205
what most Poles know for a fact

A fact which is well known would be easy to prove with reliable sources. You cannot give us even a single reliable source confirming what you claim. The reason you cannot give us even one is that you are very simply telling racist lies, as usual.
teflcat 5 | 1,032
11 Sep 2012 #206
Guys. Polonius is exempt from backing up his libel because he Just knows. He feels it. He gets a vibe. And he says he doesn't like hippies.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
11 Sep 2012 #207
what most Poles know for a fact:

70% do not .
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
11 Sep 2012 #208
Have you taken a survey? Maybe ask CBOS or TNS OBOP to do it.
Harry
11 Sep 2012 #209
because he Just knows. He feels it. He gets a vibe.

You mean in the same way that, by the logic of Polonius3's posts, we don't have to produce any evidence at all that if he'd been alive during WWII, he wouldn't have hesitated for even a single moment before signing the DVL so he could join the SS and murder Jews? We can just say that he would do it because we know he would do it; we feel it; we get a vibe (and can read his ceaseless drivel of anti-semitic lies)?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
11 Sep 2012 #210
Assume whatever you like, it's no skin off of my *****. You can deny, dodge and meander till you're blue in the face, but refuse to acknowledge what most Poles know for a fact: The GW crowd is 'them', not 'us, and it ain't Belarusians that are calling the shots!

If it was such a fact, why are we asking you for the 29th time for a single reliable source for the following statements made by you on this thread?

That is only a partial list because many others are in denial and hiding behind good Polish-sounding names

If it's such a fact, why are you failing to provide a single source?

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