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Who controls Gazeta Wyborcza??


Harry
8 Sep 2012 #151
But you say it's common knowledge, so surely someone somewhere has written about these incredible claims you made?

It is strange that someone living thousands of miles away claims to know something that Poles don't know about.

It is becoming increasingly obvious that polonius has been caught lying and that he knows he has been caught lying.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
8 Sep 2012 #152
But like all good PiS voters, he knows the truth but he won't tell us how or where he found out about the truth.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
8 Sep 2012 #153
I do not vote in Polish elections only US ones.
Harry
8 Sep 2012 #154
Can I ask why?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
8 Sep 2012 #155
One needs Polish citizenship to vote in Poland. Polishness is not a scrap of paper, you carry it in your heart (here's your cue to share shed a tear!)
Harry
8 Sep 2012 #156
One needs Polish citizenship to vote in Poland.

Not exactly true: I don't have (or want) Polish citizenship but I'm able to vote in half of the elections here.

But as you're clearly in the mood for answering questions perhaps you could give us just a single reliable source for your original claim that there is an "unusual concentration of people of non-Polish ancestry in a single newsroom and Agora boardroom"?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
8 Sep 2012 #157
It is strange that someone living thousands of miles away claims to know something that Poles don't know about.

Which claims are you talking about ? That many people in charge of GW are of commie-jewish background ?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
8 Sep 2012 #158
We're asking for a single reliable source to the following two claims :

what is behind that unusual concentration of people of non-Polish ancestry in a single newsroom and Agora boardroom?

That is only a partial list becuase many others are in denilal and hding behind good Polish-sounding names.

Perhaps you'd like to try instead? Polonius clearly has failed at the 23rd time of asking.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
8 Sep 2012 #159
We're asking for a single reliable source

You won't get that from a mainstream source as that would be "anti-semitic" of course.

Edit: but that's not any secret knowledge, you can read that in official bio's of these people.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
8 Sep 2012 #160
You won't get that from a mainstream source as that would be "anti-semitic" of course.

Ah, the usual get-out clause.

Tell you what - if you could even provide a published source, that would be a start.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
8 Sep 2012 #161
There are in-jokes which an outsider will not get and in-knowledge which most Poles in Poladn know but will not readily share with an expat. And your accent in Polish is a dead give-away that you are not Polish. All my Polish relatives and friends know exactly what I do about the subject at hand. I can pass for a born-in-Poland Pole although I am US-born, raised and educated.
Harry
8 Sep 2012 #162
All my Polish relatives and friends know exactly what I do about the subject at hand.

Really? Well perhaps you can ask them to send you a reliable source to support your claim and you can share it with us (at the 24th time of asking)?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
8 Sep 2012 #163
Ah, the usual get-out clause.

Tell you what - if you could even provide a published source, that would be a start.

You mean you need "a source" to understand that guys like Adam Michnik or Seweryn Blumsztajn are not of Polish/Catholic background ?
Harry
8 Sep 2012 #164
The claim is that they are of non-Polish ancestry. But ten of out ten for your attempt to change it to include the requirement to be Catholic.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
8 Sep 2012 #165
You mean you need "a source" to understand that guys like Adam Michnik or Seweryn Blumsztajn are not of Polish/Catholic background ?

Read the claims again :

what is behind that unusual concentration of people of non-Polish ancestry in a single newsroom and Agora boardroom?

That is only a partial list becuase many others are in denilal and hding behind good Polish-sounding names

No-one said anything about Catholicism, and the links that Polonius provided made it clear that the two people in question were Polish.

There are in-jokes which an outsider will not get and in-knowledge which most Poles in Poladn know but will not readily share with an expat. And your accent in Polish is a dead give-away that you are not Polish. All my Polish relatives and friends know exactly what I do about the subject at hand. I can pass for a born-in-Poland Pole although I am US-born, raised and educated.

So you cannot actually provide a single source to your claim, except that it's spoken about within a small group in Polish society? That's hardly reliable. The fact that you've progressed to the point of admitting that it's just an "in-joke" really does suggest that you don't actually have any proof for your claim.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
8 Sep 2012 #166
No-one said anything about Catholicism, and the links that Polonius provided made it clear that the two people in question were Polish.

So it's all for making Polo say openly that Jewish= not-Polish and then you will call him anti-semitic, run to admin, push the button etc. ? Don't you have a life ?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
8 Sep 2012 #167
You should have said: A large segment of Polish society, to which you've got no access due to your conspicuous foreignness. They'll never tell you lots of different things. However, here's a hint that may help. Ask Poles: 'Is it true that GW is dominated by people of Belarusian ancestry?' - and see what they say. That's all the 'evidence' you'll need.
jon357 71 | 19,996
8 Sep 2012 #168
You'd be surprised. Some of us have assimilated rather successfully and hear all that stuff whether we want to or not. A few people recently have said they'd forgotten I was foreigMy partner, by the way, who you'd probably describe as Polonia, doesn't quite receive the same acceptance due to accent and cultural differences.
Harry
8 Sep 2012 #169
A large segment of Polish society, to which you've got no access due to your conspicuous foreignness. They'll never tell you lots of different things. However, here's a hint that may help. Ask Poles: 'Is it true that GW is dominated by people of Belarusian ancestry?' - and see what they say. That's all the 'evidence' you'll need.

So you have now progressed from there being a unusual concentration of people of non-Polish ancestry in a single newsroom and Agora boardroom to there being an unusual concentration of people of non-Polish ancestry in a single newsroom and Agora boardroom and a conspiracy amongst all the people of Poland to cover up that unusual concentration of people of non-Polish ancestry in a single newsroom and Agora boardroom. Is your tin foil hat working properly today?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
8 Sep 2012 #170
You should have said: A large segment of Polish society, to which you've got no access due to your conspicuous foreignness. They'll never tell you lots of different things. However, here's a hint that may help. Ask Poles: 'Is it true that GW is dominated by people of Belarusian ancestry?' - and see what they say. That's all the 'evidence' you'll need.

Polonius, for the 25th time, please provide a single reliable source for the following two claims :

what is behind that unusual concentration of people of non-Polish ancestry in a single newsroom and Agora boardroom?

That is only a partial list becuase many others are in denilal and hding behind good Polish-sounding names

Being foreign has nothing to do with it. If what you say has any merit at all, someone somewhere would have written about it.

The fact that you haven't provided a single source to back up those two claims suggests that you really did just make it up in your head and you're now desperately trying to change the topic.
OP goofy_the_dog
8 Sep 2012 #171
Hi,
Delphi could you please stop the spam?!
You have asked the same question about 25 times now, are you mentally disable, do you maybe have an ADHD?!
Polonius3 is ignoring you from about two pages now and you just don't get it, do you?
I suggest that you just shut up and stop asking the same bloody question a million times! What is the point in that?
If he doesn't wanna give you an answer then let it be this way...

Cheers!
sobieski 107 | 2,128
8 Sep 2012 #172
I suggest that you just shut up and stop asking the same bloody question a million times! What is the point in that?
If he doesn't wanna give you an answer then let it be this way...

He cannot give an answer because he does not have one.
Harry
10 Sep 2012 #173
Yep. And the reason that he cannot give a source is very simply because he was telling a racist lie.
jon357 71 | 19,996
10 Sep 2012 #174
Exactly. Basically writing an outrageous lie and then running away from it. The irony is that GW's ownership is perfectly transparent. Agora S.A. Is a publicly traded company that anyone can buy into whereas the favourite Polish newspapers of the guy who posted the racially motivated lie are not so transparent - indeed the editor of Gazeta Polska not long ago refused to name certain of his backers.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
10 Sep 2012 #175
indeed the editor of Gazeta Polska not long ago refused to name certain of his backers.

Now why would he do that, unless the money was coming from certain Nazi circles?

And the reason that he cannot give a source is very simply because he was telling a racist lie.

Could it be pure jealousy on his part?
jon357 71 | 19,996
10 Sep 2012 #176
In many ways it's academic, since Gazeta Polska has a minuscule circulation - akin to a small local newspaper and a fraction of that of Gazeta Wyborcza, which Poles evidently prefer.

It would be nice though if people who falsely claim mysterious things about Gazeta Wyborcza's entirely transparent ownership structure would turn their scrutiny to publications that are rather murkier in ownership.
cassandra 1 | 39
10 Sep 2012 #177
Polonius3
agree, perhaps all history is a little 'revisionist', but in the west we learn Kuklinski is a HERO of Poland
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Sep 2012 #178
DNA doesn't lie! If this is such a big deal for you (as it apparently is since you've been belabouring the point after most everyone else has lost interest,), then drop round the GW office and get a few hairs or flakes of skin for a DNA test. Then compare the results to the prevailing Polish halpogroup. That’s all there’s to it!
Harry
10 Sep 2012 #179
then drop round the GW office and get a few hairs or flakes of skin for a DNA test. Then compare the results to the prevailing Polish halpogroup.

Polonius, it is you who is claiming that there is an ""unusual concentration of people of non-Polish ancestry in a single newsroom and Agora boardroom", so it is you who needs to drop round the GW office and get some DNA, as you are very clearly unable to give us even a single reliable source which confirms your rather pathetic lie.
jon357 71 | 19,996
10 Sep 2012 #180
And of course it totally ignores the point that DNA isn't the same as ethnicity, nationality or culture.

I notice he's avoiding the very muddy area of Gazeta Polska's financial backing.

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