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Who controls Gazeta Wyborcza??


jon357 71 | 20,418
2 Sep 2012 #61
Your opinion is right to be humble, all the more so since it is far from accurate. The two social issues (I notice you avoid their economic editorial policies: odd since there are far more column inches about economics than social affairs) are not 'leftist-liberal' issues, indeed in the UK the conservative party is fully behind both of them. As for your claims that it is 'anti-catholic' I wonder if you can cite something to back that up? Though I doubt it.
OP goofy_the_dog
2 Sep 2012 #62
Haha! You prove your lack of knowledge when it comes to the Polish society,culture and history... how can you compare Polish and British ways of life?!

Yes you are right that in Britain Conservative Party or Tories' are for gay marriage and abortion, but this is because England as a whole is a atheistic country!

I don't need to cite you anything, the only thing that I can advise is for you to visit their website: gazeta.pl.

Poland as a whole is a generally speaking a Christian country, 50%-70% Catholics, 5%-15% of Orthodox Church in the East, and 10% of "Postepowi" people, or atheists.

Cheers
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 Sep 2012 #63
Remember how when GW splashed big headlines across their front page triumphantly proclaining that 'only' 40% of Poles attend Sunday mass. WHy is it that no otehr Polish daily did the same? They all reported it without going overboard. Michnik will neverly openly write what he thinks about the church, but subliminally it is obvious that the GW clique is a godless bunch, therefore out of step wioth the 95% or more Poles who declare themselves Chritsians (regardless of frequency of Church attendance). Hendce, yet another proof that GW is an alien element in the Polish national realm.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,914
2 Sep 2012 #64
this is because England as a whole is a atheistic country!

Well, if they are then it's quite recent. My home town in Essex has church after church, every few streets.
They are not as well-attended as they used to be - but to say British people are atheist is not so. Many are muslim, many are Christian, and of course other denominations too numerous to list.

2011 Census Polls
In a poll conducted by YouGov in March 2011 on behalf of the BHA, when asked the census question 'What is your religion?', 61% of people in England and Wales ticked a religious box (53.48% Christian and 7.22% other) while 39% ticked 'No religion'.

When the same sample was asked the follow-up question 'Are you religious?', only 29% of the same people said 'Yes' while 65% said 'No', meaning over half of those whom the census would count as having a religion said they were not religious.

Less than half (48%) of those who ticked 'Christian' said they believed that Jesus Christ was a real person who died and came back to life and was the son of God.

Asked when they had last attended a place of worship for religious reasons, most people in England and Wales (63%) had not attended in the past year, 43% of people last attended over a year ago and 20% of people had never attended. Only 9% of people had attended a place of worship within the last week.

Source: humanism.org.uk/campaigns/religion-and-belief-surveys-statistics (UK Humanists' website)

40% of adults professed no religion, 55% were Christian and 5% of other faiths - age made a major difference, with only 38% of the 18-34s being Christian and 53% having no religion, whereas for the over-55s the figures were 70% and 26% respectively

16% claimed to pray daily, 12% several times a week, 4% once a week, 7% several times a month, 4% once a month, 24% less often, and 29% never - men (34%) were more likely not to pray at all than women (24%)

blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2011/09/18/uk-religion-final-tables-2011-census/(echurch website, UK)
jon357 71 | 20,418
2 Sep 2012 #65
how can you compare Polish and British ways of life?

Very easily, when England and Poland have about the same population, are in the same part of the world and I've spent just over 3 decades in one and just under 2 decades in the other.

By the way, in the scheme of things Poland is actually not that religious. the JPII effect distorted things however in the latest statistics from Gallup of (I think) 150 major countries, Poland is decidedly near the bottom of the list for religious belief and practice.

40% of Poles attend Sunday mass.

subliminally it is obvious that the GW clique is a godless bunch

Rather less (or more) than subliminally it is obvious that what you strangely describe as 'the GW clique' are in fact among the majority of Poles and the Gazeta Polska gang or the Nasz Dziennik cabal are in the minority.

By the way, church attendance figures are quite if enough news to have stimulated the interest in a non-Pole like yourself who's never lived here and got people on this forum talking so to what degree is it 'anti-catholic' to report them? Is it more acceptably 'pro-catholic' to conceal the truth and cover things up?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
2 Sep 2012 #66
Perhaps because it's of interest to Gazeta Wyborcza readers, many of whom are sick to death of Church interference in public life?

but subliminally it is obvious that the GW clique is a godless bunch

What's more obvious is that I have to ask you for the 10th time to provide a single credible source to the following two claims :

If you don't provide a source as to what you say, it's pretty obvious that you're just talking rubbish about Gazeta Wyborcza.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
2 Sep 2012 #67
But isn't the point to raise eyebrows?

For a newspaper with clear, far from the center agenda yes, for mainstream media it shouldn't be, at least not in the way of promoting extreme opinions. GW (editorial section -> stuff written by Michnik, Żakowski, Blumszatjn etc) is clearly pushing an extreme agenda, which is not in line with what majority of Poles think. Of course it is (after all) still a relatively free country, they have right to do that but then they are basically a lefty version of Gazeta Polska or Nasz Dziennik -> fortunately it's quite clear now, as i said the situation was very problematic in 90's when GW managed to position itself as a kind of national newspaper and thus had a very serious influence on public opinion.

(by the way : what are inheritance tax rates in Poland?)

It's quite complicated, I think it's between 0 and 18% -> depends on If/how close related the persons were.

Gazeta Wyborcza is an essentially conservative newspaper

And you expect to be treated seriously here :)) ?
sobieski 107 | 2,128
2 Sep 2012 #68
is clearly pushing an extreme agenda, which is not in line with what majority of Poles think

Is that the reason why 70% of the country in elections votes AGAINST the Radio Rydzyk nutcases?
jon357 71 | 20,418
2 Sep 2012 #69
Read the economics pages - it is solidly conservative.

By the way, who actually owns Gazeta Polska? It isn't a tradable company (fortunately given that it only has a few readers), the editor has bought out some of the shares, but who are his backers? Who owns the rest?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
2 Sep 2012 #70
Is that the reason why 70% of the country in elections votes AGAINST the Radio Rydzyk nutcases?

No, feckin c***n, that is the reason why +90% of the country laugh at Żakowski claiming that the more pederasts, the richer country is.

Read the economics pages - it is solidly conservative.

No, it's rather centrist... but as I said several times, there's a big difference between "technical" content of GW and their editorial garbage.

By the way, who actually owns Gazeta Polska?

No idea to be honest. You should now as you mention this newspaper in about half of your posts.
jon357 71 | 20,418
2 Sep 2012 #71
You should now as you mention this newspaper in about half of your posts.

Really? Then again, the truth was always less important to you than fear and hysteria.

It's an important point. GW's ownership structure is entirely transparent and shares are traded publicly. These obscure right wing publications cannot say that.

By the way, I don't remember GW advocating pederasty.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
2 Sep 2012 #72
No, feckin c***n, that is the reason why +90% of the country laugh at Żakowski claiming that the more pederasts, the richer country is.

If 70% votes against świry marcinkiewicz, ziobry, hoffmann, duck...and if the most-sold serious daily is GW. What does it tell you?How many copies are selling "Der Stuermer" and "Voelkisch Beobachter" Pollsh clones... Nasz "Rydzyk" Dziennik, Gazeta "Facist"Polska...as compared to GW?

Does this mean that 70% of Poles are deformed?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
2 Sep 2012 #73
I can guarantee you that +90% of Polish people would say that you are a feckin mistake of evolution after reading a few of your posts. If in your opinion, anyone who is not voting PiS, is supporting your homo-marxist agenda, then you are out of touch with reality... to put it very mildly.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,914
2 Sep 2012 #74
I've met some nice PiS politicians and some nice PO politicians, plus a few Pelikot candidates who were very pleasant too (in the past 2 years)

I am going to really unintentionally annoy some of you and say that I found all 3 parties spoke a lot of sense on different issues. I didn't agree with any of them (or any other party) on all the issues.

I also don't consider myself competent enough about Poland to know the ins and the outs fully or what's best for her (apart from the fact I am non communist and would oppose communism) but I like to think the Polish electorate know best and I truly do hope that they will study the candidates carefully next time, not necessarily guided by any newspapers, and make the right choice for a peaceful, prosperous country.

Most of the Poles I meet are very nice individuals, and I would wish them nothing less than every success in Poland or wherever they choose to go.

Of course, in the UK, it seems whoever we vote for, the same government always gets in! So people like me are not really going to bother voting any more because it's just a waste of time - they say one thing and do another. Perhaps that happens here too. One thing readers can be assured of: no one's going to grant me a vote in Poland so any incorrect assumptions I make about any party won't be utilised in any ballot :o)
sobieski 107 | 2,128
2 Sep 2012 #75
Hmmm...which 90%? If 70% votes against the Smolenkists? And how many vote for that nutcase Korwan-Mikke...whose stance on mentally handicapped people comes very close to this of Dr. Goebbels?
boletus 30 | 1,366
2 Sep 2012 #76
Few days ago there were rumours of some ties of Gazeta Polska Codziennie (GPC) to PiS via:
- Geranium (majority stakes in Forum SA, which is a GPC publisher);
- Srebrna company - associated with the Lech Kaczynski Institute, owning 149 shares in Geranium;
- Jacek Cieślikowski - Geranium president, a Warsaw councillor and assistant of J. Kaczyński;
- Janina Goss - in Srebrna board of directors, a friend of Kaczyński, now a chairman of Forum SA in place of Tomasz Sakiewicz.
I did not check the sources, but this info is still available via Google.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
2 Sep 2012 #77
Hmmm...which 90%? If 70% votes against the Smolenkists?

What's more can i do for this hopeless case ? Only copy and paste my previous comment...

If in your opinion, anyone who is not voting PiS, is supporting your homo-marxist agenda, then you are out of touch with reality... to put it very mildly.

sobieski 107 | 2,128
2 Sep 2012 #78
Hopeless? So 70% of the Polish voters are hopeless...I am still waiting fro your 90% argumentation?
You mean are 70% are misguided? By the way, in the European and local elections one of this 70% was my modest vote :))))
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
2 Sep 2012 #79
Fascinating. So you think that 70% of Poles agree with Żakowski claiming that the more pederasts, the richer country is ? You have no feckin clue about this country. Overwhelming majority of PO, PSL and at least half of SLD voters are far to the right from your homo-marxist garbage. Look, your boyfriend and his butt buddies are really not a typical person living here.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
2 Sep 2012 #80
What makes you different, from Himmler's revised Paragraph 175 and the creation of Special Office II S?
OP goofy_the_dog
2 Sep 2012 #82
Hah, I totally agree with Grzegorz, Pederasts and all the other mutants out there account as a mere 2%-3% of the countries' population. (I was studying the Sociology so I know!, (Social Discrimination))

Apart from that I don't really understand the terms like "Smolenkists" and Nasz "Rydzyk" Dziennik, Gazeta "Facist"Polska...

Could please explain to me what those terms mean, I am particurarly interested in "Smolenkists"

Cheers
jon357 71 | 20,418
2 Sep 2012 #83
Pederasts

You do realise that paederasty is illegal in Poland and there are none as far as I know in parliament (though plenty in the church as newspaper crime reports show). Same with mutants. Though Macierewicz could pass as one quite easily.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 Sep 2012 #84
Pederasta in colloquial Polish is a pejorative term for a homosexual like the American fa**ot.
Homoseksualista is the netural generic term.
Gej is the supportive, smypathising term for a delcared homosexual, often an activist.
Michelangelo may have been a homosexual but he wasn't a gay -- no such movement existed back then.
jon357 71 | 20,418
2 Sep 2012 #85
No. I've never hear it used that way though I've heard all the other terms frequently. Paederast is a synonym for Pedophile, not a homosexual person. And although there are certainly paedophiles in Poland there are no known paedophiles in the Polish Sejm. Or on the board of Gazeta Wyborcza.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 Sep 2012 #86
Pederasta, pedał, pedzio are all derogatory terms for a homosesual. Techncially pederasta means a paedophile, but I'm referring not to dictionary definitons but what the Polish street and podwórko say.
jon357 71 | 20,418
2 Sep 2012 #87
Pedał, yes. Pedzio, rarely. To use pederast like that seems very archaic now. I've certainly never heard it.

Not sure what any of this has to do with newspaper ownership though.
OP goofy_the_dog
2 Sep 2012 #88
Jon, I would rather vote for a mutant (mutant, as different to the rest of the society) that for the SB swine, scoundrels from the Paliknot's party. But that's your choice on who will you vote.

But you know, there's an old Polish saing:

"Swój, ciągnie do Swego" :)

I am pretty happy with you and the bunch Platformers to call me a Smolenkist, (yes I believe that Smolesk wasn't a coincidence or a Rydzyk fan (Yes, I do listen Radio Maryja from time to time)

I am Catholic and I have nothing against the Roman atholic, Christian Radio Station/Tv Station. If you have something against it why don't you share writing me a message via Polish Forums' mail service?

Or you can make up thread and write your views that will surely Enlighten us THE MUTANTS.
;]

Cheers

Edit: As I have read your post, I must correct you, that Pederast is a term that describes either gays or Peados', since they've got a lot in common, for an example over 40% of peadophilia in Poland is commited by gays. I have read a lot on that topic since I know couple of... cases of homos. So I can tell you homosexuality is a mental illness, and all those affected should be cared for the same way that we care for people with chronic Shizofrenia, for an example.

You'll probably disagree and call me a disgusting example of HOMOPHOBIA, and PiS lover at the same time :) But you will be amazed to know that I don't hate anybody, apart from the traitors. I would say that I feel a deep symphathy for gays/lesbians, I feel sorry for them, that those poor people are living in such times...

Cheers Again!
jon357 71 | 20,418
2 Sep 2012 #89
I think you'll find all these topics have been discussed before here. By adults.

Incidentally, if you're a Catholic and you like religious radio in Polish. Try Radio Józef, the official, Church approved station.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 Sep 2012 #90
I suppose it may be somewhere out there on the net, but anyone know offhand if GW has ever been the subject of a master's or doctoral thesis? It woudl prove extremely interesting reading. The whole process from the pre-4th June 1989 election (that's why it was called Election Gazette), to when Wałęsa stopped Michnik using the Solidarność logo, and a GW journalist called Cichy who wrote that the AK was a band of Jew-killers...Their take on Wałęsa 1992 June parliamentary coup, Jedwabne, Kukliński and Jaruzelski was also eye-opening. I recall many episodes, but it would be interesting to see if someone has compiled it all into a thesis.

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