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Boeing or Airbus - which ones would be better for the Polish Airlines (LOT)?


PennBoy 76 | 2,438    
7 Jan 2011  #1
By the end of this year Polish Airlines LOT will get the first 3 of 8 brand new Boeing 787s with an option for an additional 6. Airbuses counterpart is the A350 which will enter service around the same time. Generally who makes better planes now, Boeing or Airbus?


  • LOT 787

  • LOT 787
totaleclipse    
7 Jan 2011  #2
I think you that you should consult the pilots on this forum, they seen very quiet all of a sudden!
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,438    
7 Jan 2011  #3
I think you that you should consult the pilots on this forum

I wasn't aware that he had any pilot on here, real pilots or pc flight simulator pilots ? LOL
A J 4 | 1,090    
7 Jan 2011  #4
I think Boeings tend to crash a little less often? (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though!)
totaleclipse    
7 Jan 2011  #5
I wasn't aware that he had any pilot on here, real pilots or pc flight simulator pilots ? LOL

Oh I think that there at least 2 "wannabe pilots" !!!!on this forum. I doubt that they have ever flown an airbus, or even driven a bus for that matter.
wildrover 98 | 4,455    
7 Jan 2011  #6
I wasn't aware that he had any pilot on here, real pilots or pc flight simulator pilots ? LOL

Convex is a pilot...
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,438    
7 Jan 2011  #7
pilot

Pilot ?



pgtx 29 | 3,160    
7 Jan 2011  #8
Generally who makes better planes now, Boeing or Airbus?

i don't know, i but as long as LOT won't buy any more Tupolevs, it's all good...
Harry    
7 Jan 2011  #9
Pilot ?

Don't judge other people by the standards that should be applied to you, boy.
totaleclipse    
7 Jan 2011  #10
Convex is a pilot...

Is he? ?????

Such a shame that Pf chose to eradicate such informative information that I posted about the RAF and the essential criteria needed to train as an RAF Pilot.

I can only assume that one is jealous that one can never ever reach that pinnacle in life.

Of course 25 years is the peak of ones career in the RAF, sometimes it is hard to acknowledge, but understandable.

Keep up those flight simulators, you can do it.
pgtx 29 | 3,160    
7 Jan 2011  #11
Convex is a pilot...

sky is...
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,438    
7 Jan 2011  #12
Don't judge other people by the standards that should be applied to you, boy.

I'm not the one claiming to be a pilot !!! Boy.
convex 20 | 3,980    
7 Jan 2011  #13
sky is...

sky gets paid for it and is competent, I just use mine to avoid the famous Central/Eastern European infrastructure.

Anyway, LOT will go with whatever makes them the most on their routes. Apparently they have a pretty good relationship with Boeing for their long haul routes.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,658    
7 Jan 2011  #14
Generally who makes better planes now, Boeing or Airbus?

Neither - they're both so unbelievably equal. Both are subsidised in different ways by the respective authorities (Boeing with the US defence contracts, Airbus through favourable loans) and both have their lame ducks, too. The A380 has problems, the 787 has problems - the A320 is a roaring success, the 737 is likewise.

Then again - Airbus has this - b377.ovi.ch/pcs/guppy.jpg

Pilot ?

Seriously, just shut up.

Convex was even kind enough to take some of my friends for a flight.

Then again, I suppose that's the old "Polish peasant jealousy complex" coming through again.
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,438    
7 Jan 2011  #15
Seriously, just shut up.

I wasn't saying anything about convex, i was laughin' at pc simulator pilots, hence the image i posted u saw i highlighter pilot only. So you shut the f**k up Dolphin, or Harry or whatever you imagine yourself to be.

Polish peasant jealousy complex

HAHA son my uncle is the 3rd wealthiest man in the Lublin Voivodeship you could clean his toilet.

To all, please be nice. if not then the post goes in the bin.
Crow 143 | 7,412    
7 Oct 2016  #16
Merged: France angry with Poland after it scraps Airbus deal

Interesting news

France angry with Poland after it scraps Airbus deal

By Reuters / Published: 18:59 GMT, 7 October 2016 | Updated: 18:59 GMT, 7 October 2016 / By Marine Pennetier and John Irish
dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3827411/Frances-Hollande-cancels-Polish-visit-Airbus-deal-scrapped.html

"The Franco-Polish bilateral relationship will undeniably be extremely affected by this decision," a French source close to the matter said.

kpc21 1 | 763    
7 Oct 2016  #17
Yes, but what that has to do with civil aviation? This is the worst thread possible to write about such things.

About the deal described in the article - PiS was explicitly saying that they will resign from buying Airbus helicopters for the Polish army already in their election campaign. So it was obvious they will do it.

Why do they do it? Probably because they have more supporters in the cities where the Airbus competitors would produce their aircrafts (if I remember well - Lublin and Świdnik) than in Łódź, where Airbus helicopters were going to be manufactured.
peterweg 36 | 2,315    
9 Oct 2016  #18
On the other hand, the French drive a hard bargain.It took decades for the French Rafael deal with India and a refusal to provide sufficient offsets was part of the issue.
gumishu 11 | 4,902    
9 Oct 2016  #19
where Airbus helicopters were going to be manufactured.

they would never be manufactured in Łódź - Macierewicz maintains that the only offset the French proposed was painting the aircraft in Łódź - hardly manufacturing -
jon357 64 | 14,382    
9 Oct 2016  #20
Probably because they have more supporters in the cities where

Exactly
Harry    
12 Oct 2016  #21
The 18% regime really are the gift of hilarity that just keeps on giving! After thoroughly p!ssing off the governments of France and Germany by pulling out of a deal to buy helicopters that would be made in Lodz by a company owned by the Polish state in favour of having choppers made by a foreign-owned company (astoundingly enough in cities which, unlike Lodz, vote PIS), now the Deputy Defense minister has claimed that Poland "taught the French how to use a fork".

Deputy Defence Minister Kownacki accused the French of lacking "class" after losing the multi-billion dollar contract to build 50 Airbus Caracal helicopters.
...
"They are a people who learned to eat with a fork from us a few centuries ago. So maybe this is why they are behaving in this way now,"

bbc.com/news/world-europe-37634812

You just couldn't make this stuff up edited .
peterweg 36 | 2,315    
13 Oct 2016  #22
In an open letter to the country's prime minister, Europe's largest aerospace group accused the Warsaw government of shifting the goalposts as Airbus competed with U.S. and Italian rivals and attempting to contravene European Union regulations.

Airbus Group Chief Executive Tom Enders accused Poland of misleading the company during negotiations and threatened further action, without giving details.

"Never have we been treated by any government customer the way this government has treated us," Enders said in a separate emailed statement.

"The controversial and contradictory declarations of the Polish government over the course of this procurement proceedings created the impression of unprecedented confusion," he said

reuters.com/article/us-poland-airbus-idUSKCN12B1BJ

Target area

defence24.com/467669,iskander-missiles-kill-the-inf-treaty-berlin-and-prague-in-danger
This is what Poland is facing, and our 'leaders' choose to alienate and insult our allies.
Crow 143 | 7,412    
13 Oct 2016  #23
Poland only needs to have very good relations with Serbia and neutral stance on global military alliances. That`s what Poland need to be happy. Only that.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,467    
18 Oct 2016  #24
Merged: Kwaśniewski spills the beans re Airbus deal

Former Polish president Kwaśniewski has told Radio Zet that, the tender notwithstandng, the purchase of Airbus helicopters was arranged by the Tusk regime to compensate France for reneging on the delivery of Mistral battleships to Russia, "Poland played an important part in forcing France to withdraw from one of its most profitable contracts, namely the sale of Mistral battleships to Russia in connection with the aggression in Ukraine," Kwaśniewski said. The purchase of helicopters for the Polish army from Airbus would have made up for the loss, "because then there was a gentlemen's agreement in the European Union and NATO that upcoming contracts for military equipment would take a more sympathetic view of French offers to obviously make up for those unsold [Mistral ships]".
Crow 143 | 7,412    
18 Oct 2016  #25
How is that nice of Kwaśniewski to inform public that Poland played major role in giving sex to Russia (in the name of entire EU and NATO), while at the same time official Poland had petting with France full of romantic promises. Plus, all that on the expense of Polish tax players.
Crow 143 | 7,412    
18 Oct 2016  #26
... tax players.

Its maybe unnecessary to intervene but still, i must correct myself. i meant `payers`. i thought of players who did it to payers and so on...
Levi 13 | 451    
19 Oct 2016  #27
Neither.

Embraer would be better for LOT.

NOWADAYS the 787 is way better than the A350 in terms of cost benefit. After so many problems it is being sold heavily discounted.

And a plus is that you dont give money for Merkel and Hollande when you buy Boeing, but you do give money to them when you buy Airbus.

"Never have we been treated by any government customer the way this government has treated us," Enders said in a separate emailed statement."

Lie of this vile idiot. He was treated like **** by GCC governments a DOZEN of times, still he stayed quiet.

Then Poland put he back in his place and he start to whine like a baby to Mama Merkel to punish Poland?

"Generally who makes better planes now, Boeing or Airbus?"

Embraer.
peterweg 36 | 2,315    
19 Oct 2016  #28
Nobody in the industry agrees with you.
Crow 143 | 7,412    
19 Oct 2016  #29
On the second thought, Kwaśniewski is known as a great liar and moral heretic. So, its quite possible that he invented that about Airbus deal. Personally, i`m not expert on airplane quality. But, if it may help, Air Serbia prefer using Airbus. That fact as it is may be far better reason for Poland to wish to purchase Airbus products. i simple sense that Poland slowly but surely coordinate with Serbia. Must be because of EU`s pressure.
Levi 13 | 451    
20 Oct 2016  #30
Nobody in the industry agrees with you.

Wrong. Specially LOT agrees with me. Half of their fleet is already Embraer. At least in this point LOT made a good decision. Better buy jets from a country that doesnt have any interest against polish people (Brazil, where Embraer comes from) than from a country that want to destroy polish heritage (France, where Airbus comes from).


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