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Ironside 51 | 11,338
1 Jun 2012 #61
Jews are not a nation ! Israelis are a nation and nobody dislike them (except for Palestinians)! Jews are religious minority who claim to be better than general population.

Anyway where did I stated that hate or dislike is right ? Yet people in America dislike and hate Muslims - or some people do - that is life for you.
Appleby 1 | 25
1 Jun 2012 #62
Why focus on Poland ?

rater than acusing us in such a polonophobic way.

See ... all up in arms ... I rest my case. Now, do you see there is absolutely no difference whatsoever: either you saying all Jews are crap or me saying all Poles are crap (and I even said in my first post "mind you, I don't - it's just an example") :D
Ironside 51 | 11,338
1 Jun 2012 #63
See ... all up in arms ... I rest my case

instead of resting you should read my posts - but it is nice to feel righteous - right >?
rybnik 18 | 1,461
1 Jun 2012 #64
Try to find a way for reconciliation for these two nations

Yes
4 eigner 2 | 831
1 Jun 2012 #65
Jews are not a nation

You can call it any way you want but It doesn't change the fact that hating an entire nation, ethnic group, race or religion is wrong. If you really have to hate someone, then hate Mary or Frank who accidentally are Jewish, Polish, American etc. but not everyone around them too, simply because they belong to the same group of people.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
1 Jun 2012 #66
You can call it any way you want but It doesn't change the fact that hating an entire nation, ethnic group, race or religion is wrong.

SO?
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
2 Jun 2012 #67
For your made in the USA mind, in place of Jews put Blacks or Mexican. Heck even Jews.
Plenty of people dislike those groups without knowing them.

There's no need to dislike them just because they are black, Jewish, Mexican, whatever. I disagree with illegal immigration but I do not hate someone just because they are Mexican or in the country illegally. In fact, I might even know a few but am unaware of their immigration status. What is most important is that people are nice and decent, not their nationality or ethnicity or religion.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
2 Jun 2012 #68
What is most important is that people are nice and decent, not their nationality or ethnicity or religion.

Are there people in the USA who hate or dislike Muslims, Arab, Jews, Blacks, Mexicans ?
As groups ?
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
2 Jun 2012 #69
There are always people who hate or dislike others based on their ethnicity or religion, just as there are men who hate women and women who hate men. There are kids who hate parents and parents who hate kids. Some people hate you just because you have red hair or blond hair and blue eyes. Some people hate those afflicted with freckles ffs. But it's ridiculous to hate for superficial reasons. It's just ignorant stereotyping.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
2 Jun 2012 #70
There are always people who hate or dislike others based on their ethnicity or religion,

Ditto
That is my point !
Why focus on Poland?

But it's ridiculous to hate for superficial reasons. It's just ignorant stereotyping.

What made you think that I disagree with above ?
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
2 Jun 2012 #71
Ditto
That is my point !
Why focus on Poland?

Wherever it exists, people should take the time to educate the ones who hate. Let them see that it's a waste to hate someone they don't know.

What made you think that I disagree with above ?

It was the impression just by how you answered. Made it sound like you are the one who hates Jews but I could have been under the wrong impression.
4 eigner 2 | 831
2 Jun 2012 #72
SO?

Is there anything else you want me to tell you?

Now, if you still believe, you need to hate them, I can't stop you.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
2 Jun 2012 #73
It was the impression just by how you answered. Made it sound like you are the one who hates Jews but I could have been under the wrong impression.

I hate nobody, I dislike some people for their deeds or for their behaviour or for their post.

Wherever it exists, people should take the time to educate the ones who hate. Let them see that it's a waste to hate someone they don't know.

Fine, and those people should start with their home countries i.e. preach it there !

You see, the USA is the world power, proudly wears colours of democracy, equality, and so on .......still in the USA there is rife crime, hate, racism and all that more so than in Poland!

Same goes for Britain, why people from those countries are preaching to Poles ? The country that is independent only for 20 years and still struggles on many fields because of the consequences of the WWII (soviet occupation).

What made them think that educated and reasonable people in Poland are unaware of all that you wrote ?Prejudice ?
I think that Poles should preach to you instead love, acceptance, tolerance and humanity ! After all in those two countries there occurrences of racially motived murders not in Poland!

Do you understand my stance now ?
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
2 Jun 2012 #74
I hate nobody, I dislike some people for their deeds or for their behaviour or for their post.

I misunderstood.

Fine, and those people should start with their home countries i.e. preach it there !

Don't worry. Plenty of people preach here, too. Probably more than preach at Poland.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
2 Jun 2012 #75
each for each own - or something like that :)
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
4 Jun 2012 #76
racism and all that more so than in Poland!

Of course racism is worse in the US then poland... the racial mix in the US is higher!!! Bit of a stupid comment.

also in the UK more Rolls Royce cars get stolen then in Poland!, In the US more Cadillacs are stolen then in Poland!
rybnik 18 | 1,461
4 Jun 2012 #77
The Jewish perspective (I couldn't copy the link. It's from an article in the NY Daily News website "Reader sound off on Poland, sugar and the Donald")

Poland, Jews and the Holocaust

Staten Island: The Poles want an apology from President Obama for his comment last week about "Polish death camps?" I want an apology from them for forcing my Jewish grandfather to leave Poland in the 1920s. I want an apology for the 1946 Kielce pogrom. I want an apology from every Pole who uses "Jew" as an insult. David Rubin

Staten Island: My father was a Jewish Holocaust survivor from Poland. In 1941, he was on a forced march in freezing weather. He collapsed from exhaustion and the cold. When a laborer collapsed, they were immediately put to death by the Nazis if they could not continue. A Polish soldier, also a prisoner, picked up and carried my father and saved his life. He never found out who that anonymous soldier was. He always taught me there are good and bad in every group. President Obama should personally apologize for his words. Harold Frydman

History of blood

Fresh Meadow: With extreme sympathy to Corky Siemaszko whose Catholic family suffered excruciating agonies in the years of the Holocaust, I must disagree with him on some points ("Why the words 'Polish death camps' cut so deep" Op-Ed June 1). True, the Poles did not create the death camps, but, notwithstanding Poland's 6,000 Righteous Gentiles, that number is a mere pittance to its 30 million pre war inhabitants. The Nazis built all six of their infamous death camps in Poland, knowing it was one of the most anti-Semitic countries in Europe, who would object the least to their creation. Carl Umator

Accessories to a crime

Valley Stream, L.I: There are 6,000 Poles on the list of the Righteous Among The Nations. There are more than 20 million Poles who are not. They were the paid laborers who built the camps. They stood along the rail lines, laughing at those in the box cars on the way to the slaughter. When the Jews who survived came back to their towns to reclaim their property, they were driven away. Some were killed by the townspeople who were only too happy to live on Jewish property. In the town of Sedziszow, where my grandparents, aunts and uncles and cousins lived, the townspeople burned down the town hall after the war so no records of Jewish ownership could be proven. The Poles didn't invent the Holocaust and can't be blamed for it, but they sure took advantage of it in stealing and keeping Jewish property. Larry Cohen

Read more: nydailynews.com/opinion/readers-sound-poland-sugary-drinks-donald-article-1.1088653#ixzz1wp2HjXf3
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
4 Jun 2012 #78
The Poles didn’t invent the Holocaust and can’t be blamed for it, but they sure took advantage of it in stealing and keeping Jewish property. Larry Cohen

amen!
peterweg 37 | 2,320
4 Jun 2012 #79
So the 1.8 million poles deported to Soviet death camps, starved to death and the survivors exiled took 'advantage' of it, eh?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
4 Jun 2012 #80
There are 6,000 Poles on the list of the Righteous Among The Nations. There are more than 20 million Poles who are not.

LOL !

How many people in Poland rescued Jews? Of those that meet Yad Vashem's criteria—perhaps 100,000. Of those that offered minor forms of help—perhaps two or three times as many. Of those who were passively protective—undoubtedly the majority of the population. — Gunnar S. Paulsson

There's been an obvois agenda behind keeping it as low as it is possible.

The Poles didn’t invent the Holocaust and can’t be blamed for it, but they sure took advantage of it in stealing and keeping Jewish property.

Yes... in other words, give us money :))

The Jewish perspective

Switch Jewish for Polish and Polish for Jewish, it's no diffucult to produce something like that... but then it would called anti-semitic I think :))

amen!

Sure koont. You are so stupid that even don't realize once they suceed with "compensations", you will among those who will have to pay.
rybnik 18 | 1,461
4 Jun 2012 #81
Huh? many of the above quotes attributed to me are not mine. fyi.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,602
4 Jun 2012 #82
There are 6,000 Poles on the list of the Righteous Among The Nations. There are more than 20 million Poles who are not. They were the paid laborers who built the camps.

The above premise is severely flawed for several reasons:

*It states that "20 million Poles" were "paid laborers who built the camps". Really? It took 20 million plus to do it? All Poles who are not listed in the Righteous Among The Nations" were workers?

*Most Poles were too busy trying to feed their families; that is, they were attempting to survive under Nazi occupation. Helping anyone, including fellow Poles was a difficult task at best. That begs the following question, one that is rarely asked; how many Jews saved Poles?

*Many Poles who helped Jews were not identified. Many more were killed for helping Jews who also perished thus becoming the unknown "Righteous" who received no credit for their heroism.

True, the Poles did not create the death camps, but, notwithstanding Poland’s 6,000 Righteous Gentiles, that number is a mere pittance to its 30 million pre war inhabitants

Same flawed premise. It presumes that 30 million Poles (including babies) had to do something to protect Jews when they couldn't even protect some 3 million fellow Poles from getting killed.

Monia,I don't agree with what you said about Jews in America propagating this issue.

Political pundit Michael Medved (whos brother is an Israeli activist) has publicly stated on his radio program that the one thing he opposes within some American Jewish circles is the false notion that Poles were generally anti-Semitic. Mr. Medved is about as pro Jewish as is possible but he acknowledged that some elite elements with the Jewish lobbies perpetuate a false anti Polish stereotype.
OP monia 3 | 212
4 Jun 2012 #83
Same flawed premise. It presumes that 30 million Poles (including babies) had to do something to protect Jews when they couldn't even protect some 3 million fellow Poles from getting killed.

Good point .

American Jews are responsible far more than any other nation for the holocaust because they didn`t do anything to help Jews in Poland although Mr Jan Karski met in America with prominent Jewish representatives during the war , he was talking to US president and many Jews informing them about the horrors of the Holocaust of Polish people of Polish and Jewish descent . There was no reaction .

Those who say in US about Polish responsibility are insane money seekers .
Ironside 51 | 11,338
4 Jun 2012 #84
Of course racism is worse in the US then poland... the racial mix in the US is higher!!! Bit of a stupid comment.

Stupid ? Don't say ! What would you call those who claim the opposite - the the USA is less racist that Poland!?

Cohen

pure racism and hate - are they prosecuted and why not ?
p3undone 8 | 1,135
5 Jun 2012 #85
Zimmy,the issue I was referring to was Obama's gaff.As for American Jews giving the impression that the Polish are antisemitic I myself

haven't encountered it,I don't disagree,I don't know enough Jewish people to say one way or the other.I don't think the Jews want any

confusion about the fact that Nazi Germany owned and and ran the camps.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
5 Jun 2012 #86
In the town of Sedziszow, where my grandparents, aunts and uncles and cousins lived, the townspeople burned down the town hall after the war so no records of Jewish ownership could be proven.

Honestly all I can say is that Larry Cohen is full of sh**. During the occupation 70% of the buildings in town were more or less destroyed including the town hall. When the Red army reached the doorstep of the town the retreating German army destroyed the rest, simply blowing it all up, the train station, railroad tracks etc. Most of the local Jews were sent to Belzec during occupation. No mention of 30 or so local Jews that were hidden by the local Polish population either; in all likelihood probably his own family as he claims to be a descendent of the survivors from that area. Funny how the account of those days is changed by those who never been there themselves.
rybnik 18 | 1,461
5 Jun 2012 #87
The Nazis built all six of their infamous death camps in Poland, knowing it was one of the most anti-Semitic countries in Europe, who would object the least to their creation. Carl Umator

I found this quote among the most annoying. Carl suggests that the Poles had the ability to "object" to their Nazi occupiers about what they build and where they build it. One of the most ignorant statements I've ever read.
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
5 Jun 2012 #88
rybnik

Probably built them in Poland as that's were the majority of the Jews were. Logistical reason.


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