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Anti-Szymborska hate content on Polish websites


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
11 Feb 2012  #1
A TVN24 discussion show participant said that he found about 2% of the comments on Szymborska' death were sympathetic, whilst the reemaining 98% were rude, vulgar, hateful comments not suitable for polite society. He pointed out that some websites have begun dealing with the poroblem by compiling anonymous comments and turning them over to Facebook where their authors' names and photos are flashed on the screen. That dampens the unbridled vulgarity of net commentators once they realise they can no longer hide their foul mouths and hate speech behind a wall of anonymity.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
11 Feb 2012  #2
TVN24

I'm so glad that you have finally accepted TVN24.

That doesn't make any sense at all.

Incidentally, most people abusing Szymborska happened to be right wing "patriots". Surprise, surprise.
gumishu 11 | 5,012
11 Feb 2012  #3
I don't say this is not wrong - but you know Szymborska had been quite apologetic of stalinist system and never actually rebuked that time - then she signed letters and wrote poems against screening for former communist secret services collaborators - I see it as a backlash against her

the next thing is that 'the mainstream' is using her to push some agendas even if it is 'in silk gloves' - next thing is pushing down people's throats that she was such a great poetess (you know she got the Nobel) while many people actually don't find any extraordinary greatness in her poetry
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
11 Feb 2012  #4
Foulmouthedness adn vulgarity are unacceptable regardless of political orientation.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
11 Feb 2012  #5
You do realise that most of the foul vulgarity found online on Polish websites tends to come from the right wing, right?

(having said that, the tiny minority of hard left-wingers are equally as bad, especially the racist "anarchists")
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
11 Feb 2012  #6
Besides, this thread was not about Szymborska as such, but about the mental and moral predisposition of anonyumous online mud-slingers.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
11 Feb 2012  #7
There are plenty of those on here. The phenomenon is called Internet Deindividuation. Writing particularly vile and aggressive things online that they'd never say in real life.
gumishu 11 | 5,012
11 Feb 2012  #8
You do realise that most of the foul vulgarity found online on Polish websites tends to come from the right wing, right?

I don't think this is true - the PO sympathisers are often equally bad-mouthed - just read comments under Ziemkiewicz's articles
Ironside 48 | 9,748
11 Feb 2012  #9
You do realise that most of the foul vulgarity found online on Polish websites tends to come from the right wing, right?

You know delph that you are lying.
modafinil - | 418
11 Feb 2012  #10
There are plenty of those on here. The phenomenon is called Internet Deindividuation. Writing particularly vile and aggressive things online that they'd never say in real life.

Here's an informative/opinionated piece guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jul/24/internet-anonymity-trolling-tim-adams

We rightly hear a great deal about the potential of social media and websites to spread individual freedom, as evidenced during the Arab spring and elsewhere. Less is written about their capacity to reinforce pack identities and mob rule, though clearly that is also part of that potential.

The big problem he finds running the blog is that his anonymous commenters get a kind of pack mentality. And the comments quickly become a one-note invective


Cab you imagine how different the site would be if the self proclaimed Lords of the Flies had to use their real names so employers, families, friends and neighbours could spot them.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
11 Feb 2012  #11
Totally different. You'd soon also see that most of them didn't actually live in Poland despite claiming to be patriots.
Ironside 48 | 9,748
11 Feb 2012  #12
like you claiming to be Scottish patriot ?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
11 Feb 2012  #13
whilst the reemaining 98% were rude, vulgar, hateful comments not suitable for polite society.

She was a very controversial person, nevertheless the media promoted her as some kind of saint person and treated her natural death as a national tragedy... If not that totally unnecessary and undeserved glorification, 99% of those comments would have never been written. TYNs should blame themselves.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
12 Feb 2012  #14
You seem to siplistically regard living somewhere as the the epitome of virtue and patriotism. Life ain't that simple, the vicissitudes of human existence unfold along diverse roads and meanders, influenced by interacting often unpredictable family, geographic, economic, cultrual, polticial and other factors.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
12 Feb 2012  #15
Excuses. There is absolutely no excuse these days for any self proclaimed Polish patriot to reside anywhere other than Poland.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
12 Feb 2012  #16
And you regard yourself as one, I presume. I was surprised (re the busia issue) that someone with such atrocious Polish as yourself would arbitraily set hismelf up as a defender of good Polish. A bit of humility might not hurt.
gumishu 11 | 5,012
12 Feb 2012  #17
Excuses. There is absolutely no excuse these days for any self proclaimed Polish patriot to reside anywhere other than Poland.

hehhhehehe

hiiihihiiihi

eheheheheh

and you are an hmmm intelligent person you say delphi - maybe you are intelligent actually but with a peculiar bias that blinds equally your perception and imagination
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
12 Feb 2012  #18
But - logically speaking, a self-proclaimed patriot is one who loves his country, so why would any patriot want to live elsewhere?
gumishu 11 | 5,012
12 Feb 2012  #19
for me a patriot is someone who cares for the well-being of a certain country - thus you can live in America and be a Polish patrtiot and you can live in Poland and be not only no Polish patriot but actually a Poland hater (even if you are Polish yourself)

some people live in America but they nevertheless keep working for the benefit of Poland - you would definitely agree that you don't need to be in Poland to work for her and her citizens' good, wouldn't you - after all Polish ambasadors don't reside in Poland, yeah?
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
12 Feb 2012  #20
the media promoted her as some kind of saint person and treated her natural death as a national tragedy

It isn't unusual to make a song and dance when somebody important dies here - look at Dr Religa's televised funeral. Szymborska's death was significant: she was arguably Poland's greatest late 20th Century poet; and Poland's only living Nobel laureate.
gumishu 11 | 5,012
12 Feb 2012  #21
Szymborska's death was significant: she was arguably Poland's greatest late 20th Century poet; and Poland's only living Nobel laureate.

arguably is the most important word here :)
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
12 Feb 2012  #22
Yes. Either Szymborska or Milosz. Much was made of both their passing, however Szymborska's work was so wonderfully accessible and so many people had a genuine fondness for her poems.
gumishu 11 | 5,012
12 Feb 2012  #23
however Szymborska's work was so wonderfully accessible and so many people had a genuine fondness for her poems.

so it's simply subjective - I don't have fondness for her poems and find them mostly to be shallow (not to mention that I haven't found a single one with some constructive message)
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
12 Feb 2012  #24
The Nobel committee however considered her work to have great merit. A sad loss.
gumishu 11 | 5,012
12 Feb 2012  #25
The Nobel committee however considered her work to have great merit

the Nobel committee have given the Nobel peace prize to Barack Obama - they must have predicted that he order the Navy Seals to knock out Bin Laden - what a foresight

btw wasn't Hitler once given a Nobel prize???
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
12 Feb 2012  #26
the Nobel committee have given the Nobel peace prize

A different committee as it happens, but Szymborska still received the highest international accolade a poet can get, whether you appreciate her great achievements or not.

btw wasn't Hitler once given a Nobel prize???

No.
gumishu 11 | 5,012
12 Feb 2012  #27
btw wasn't Hitler once given a Nobel prize?

but he was nominated in 1939
Ironside 48 | 9,748
12 Feb 2012  #28
Either Szymborska or Milosz.

How come ? Where is Herbert's place in that equation?
gumishu 11 | 5,012
12 Feb 2012  #29
there is no place for Herbert because he was critical of Michnik et al
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
12 Feb 2012  #30
Where is Herbert's place in that equation?

Outside it. The thread is about Szymborska.

but he was nominated in 1939

An irrelevance. Any government can nominate anyone they so choose.The laureates however, especially for the Peace Prize, are not necessarily nominated by anyone.

Interesting you think the Nobel prize is somehow compromised, and therefore that the few which have gone to Polish recipients are somehow unimportant. A view we can expect to hear more and more from the trolls here, now that Poland has only one living recipient.


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