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Anti-Polish propaganda (proposed change to Polish property restitution laws)


Varsovian 92 | 634    
22 Mar 2012  #1
I was just reading the Jewish Chronicle recently on a proposed change to Polish property restitution laws and my eye glanced over to the "see also" section on the right of the screen. You simply couldn't make it up:

Meet a promising Polish horse called Pogrom
In Darkness: Oscar nominated Polish Holocaust film
Lego concentration camp sold to Polish museum
Antisemitic poster features on Polish tourism leaflet
Welcome to Poland - it's where my family were killed

This makes the Daily Mail's view on foreigners look balanced :)

Link please
jon357 64 | 14,382    
22 Mar 2012  #2
And your 'point' is?
fringxx - | 30    
22 Mar 2012  #3
You mean that Jews still have some issues towards Poles or what?
OP Varsovian 92 | 634    
22 Mar 2012  #4
I mean it strikes me as Fawlty-esque, you remember the one when he had German guests? Except this has the feel of grotesque ravings ...
isthatu2 4 | 2,708    
22 Mar 2012  #5
An old Jewish saying ;
An anti semite is someone who hates Jews more than is neccessary.
Seriously ,they can be their own worst enemy sometimes:(
PlasticPole 7 | 2,662    
22 Mar 2012  #6
Anyone can be their own worst enemy sometimes. So what? That's just being human.
pawian 150 | 7,964    
22 Mar 2012  #7
Meet a promising Polish horse called Pogrom

Jews can be oversensitive at times.

Meet a promising Polish horse called Pogrom
By Jennifer Lipman, February 28, 2012
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A woman whose mother fled to the United States to escape the pogroms has expressed her shock at finding a horse named Pogrom competing in an Arizona championship.

Pogrom, a Polish colt, had been lent to Scottsdale's Midwest Training Centre by the Polish government.
Nettie Sacks, 79, whose mother and grandparents left Europe in 1915 after a pogrom, told the Arizona Central news site that she was astonished by the name.

"To me, the word means when the Polish peasants formed a group and they called it a pogrom and they went to all the little villages to find the Jews and kill them all," she said.

But Sue Adams, from the training centre, defended the choice on the basis that the word meant "an invincible leader" in Polish.
"They did not intend to choose a name that would be offensive," she said.
"We can all agree that it was a most unfortunate choice of names for a horse that has matured into a magnificent champion stallion with a promising future here."


thejc.com/news/world-news/64250/meet-a-promising-polish-horse-called-pogrom

Besides, associating the word pogrom with Poland solely is a silly slander. It is of Russian origin and "The term is usually applied to attacks on Jews in the Russian Empire in the late 19th and early 20th centuries"

If they called their horse Gas Chamber, I would be disgusted. But Pogrom? In the Polish language it doesn`t refer to Jews only.
peterweg 36 | 2,315    
23 Mar 2012  #8
Jews can be oversensitive at times.

An article on the subject from yesterday.

haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/guilt-tripping-the-world-is-dangerous-for-israel-1.420111

But Sue Adams, from the training centre, defended the choice on the basis that the word meant "an invincible leader" in Polish.

Does it? According to my wife it means slaughter/mass death. A good name for a horse though, similar to Tsunami. Or death.
pawian 150 | 7,964    
23 Mar 2012  #9
Does it? According to my wife it means slaughter/mass death.

According to mine, it also means the total victory over the enemy. :):):):):)

A good name for a horse though, similar to Tsunami.

Someone might say that because of tragic tsunami in 2007, horses shouldn`t be called like that.

Come on, political correctness should meet certain limits, too.....
Sasha 2 | 1,083    
23 Mar 2012  #10
If they called their horse Gas Chamber, I would be disgusted. But Pogrom? In the Polish language it doesn`t refer to Jews only.

Pogrom is a noun related to another noun "grom"=thunder and a verb "gromit"=to crush, to bludgeon. The word rather implies devastating, demolishing than killing.

Grom is very common nick for dogs and animals in general. Never heard of pogrom but that's a good idea... sounds awesome in my mind.
strzyga 2 | 993    
23 Mar 2012  #11
In sports "pogrom" is a total victory, like 8:0 in a football match. The verb "rozgromić" is very often used in such situations. Huragan Wólka Mała rozgromił Piorun Marcinkowice, wygrywając 5:1.

Huragan, Piorun, Burza, Pogrom, Grom (hurricane, storm, thunder) are the same category of names, suitable both for sports clubs and horses. If we had tsunamis in Poland I'm sure the name would be used too. After all, there are victims of hurricanes living here and none of them opposes to naming horses Hurricane.
polishmama 3 | 280    
23 Mar 2012  #12
Qualifications for today's competition in Kuopio won Frenchman Emmanuel Chedal (126 m). Adam Malysz (125) took third place.

Unrelated link with an example of Polish language with the word "pogrom" being used in a sentence discussing sports, a particular player being the leader, victory, etc. Also checked with family and they said that pogrom in POLISH does mean invincible leader, to have victory over others. That the Russian language pogrom is not the same but that because the Russian Pogroms are in most people's minds when they hear that word, irregardless of what language they speak, that is what is associated with that word. Makes sense. There are countless words in various languages with different meanings for each language but which are spelled and/or pronounced the same.
pawian 150 | 7,964    
23 Mar 2012  #13
It all leads to one conclusion:

Jews still have some issues towards Poles or what?

:):):):):)
Sasha 2 | 1,083    
24 Mar 2012  #14
In sports "pogrom" is a total victory, like 8:0 in a football match.

In Russian that would be "razgrom".
Natasa 1 | 582    
24 Mar 2012  #15
Pogrom in Serbian and probably Croatian means mass destruction of some minority followed by confiscation of its property (i.e. Jews). It is borrowed from Russian according to our dictionary.
pawian 150 | 7,964    
24 Mar 2012  #16
Polish headlines with pogrom word:

sport.pl/tenis/1,64987,9938700,Pogrom_polskich_tenisistow_w_BNP_Paribas_Polish_Open.html
igol.pl/article,46275.html
sportowefakty.pl/koszykowka/259641/nba-pogromy-miami-i-chicago-28-tysiecy-punktow-bryanta
igol.pl/article,46715.html
Ironside 47 | 9,498    
24 Mar 2012  #17
To me, the word means when the Polish peasants formed a group and they called it a pogrom and they went to all the little villages to find the Jews and kill them all," she said.

To me it means that she is undereducated and ignorant old woman. Somehow I doubt that my opinion will be quoted in a leading American newspaper.

hat the Russian language pogrom is not the same

Correct !
Also it wasn't groups of Polish peasants who decided to kick some Jewish asses but people gathered by Russian authorities. And I dare you to do something against Russian government will - especial organize a group of men.
Sasha 2 | 1,083    
28 Mar 2012  #18
Any example of a pogrom organized by Russian authorities?
polishmama 3 | 280    
28 Mar 2012  #19
If you look up any pogroms during the Russian occupied era, you will read that it was organized by Russian authorities. Any single one of them. Which rare few there were in Poland.
Sasha 2 | 1,083    
1 Apr 2012  #20
you will read that it was organized by Russian authorities

Depends on what I'd read. If you can provide a reliable source, that would be nice.
polishmama 3 | 280    
1 Apr 2012  #21
True. And depends on what you define to be a reliable source (since all of history can be discussed in several different ways and depends on the bias of the historian).

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0016_0_15895.html
ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005183
newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Pogrom
jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Kielce.html
yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Pogroms

Here are some links, some claim as I and many others did, others the opposite. I'd like to point out that the Jewish records sites that I've seen tend to paint the picture that government officials caused the pogroms (and that they tended to be run by Russians). And that some were in "retaliation" for alleged violent activities by some Jews. Whether it's true or not, Idk, only time will tell. And I think that it would take the unsealing of records in the Kremlin for many mysteries in that area of the world, for us to know better.


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