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O WELL 1 | 158
26 Feb 2018 #31
In that case there are no life payments

I dont think so.Alimony is always there from either side,until its a very courteous divorce.LOL other wise the lawyers will advice you what you can get,Its a divorce,end of relationship so why not get what you can and what is legally yours
Atch 16 | 3,268
27 Feb 2018 #32
In Polish law a man is only liable to pay lifetime support to a former wife if he admits sole fault in the breakdown of the marriage and then it's only until she remarries. Child support is different of course, but that's the situation with spousal support.
terri 1 | 1,665
27 Feb 2018 #33
A man will have to pay support for his wife is she is deemed to need that support. There have been cases where wives demand high amounts because they have no other means of income. All she needs to prove is that she needs that help e.g. she is ill because of the stress of his behaviour or has no job. There is a case of an ex-Prime Minister of Poland (K. Marcinkiewicz) where he has kept his estranged second wife for over 3 years and she is demanding that for life.
mafketis 24 | 9,174
27 Feb 2018 #34
So... she's admitting to be so completely stupid and lazy that she can't possibly be expected to take care of herself? Grrrl power?!?
Atch 16 | 3,268
27 Feb 2018 #35
Here's how it works:

It's really all down to who was cited as responsible for the breakdown of the marriage. In the case you describe Terri, the man must have admitted sole responsibility, otherwise his obligation to provide maintenance would cease after five years:

A divorced spouse who has not been found to be solely responsible for the break-down of the marriage and who is in financial difficulties may demand maintenance from the other spouse depending on his or her reasonable needs and the earning and financial capacities of the other spouse (Article 60(1) of the Family and Guardianship Code.)

So that means that in a case where the parties admit shared responsibility for the breakdown of the marriage, either may demand maintenance from the other but only if they can prove financial need.

If a divorce entails a substantial deterioration in the financial situation of a spouse who is not responsible for the break-down of the marriage, the spouse who has been found to be solely responsible for the break-down of the marriage is required to provide funds to meet the needs of the other spouse, even if he or she is not in financial difficulties (Article 60(2) of the Family and Guardianship Code).

Whether he was solely responsible or not, the ex Prime Minister and his wife would certainly be in the category where her lifestyle would change due to the divorce.

The maintenance obligation ceases when the spouse receiving maintenance remarries. Where the spouse required to pay maintenance has not been found to be solely responsible for the break-down of the marriage, the obligation concerned ceases five years after thedivorce (Article 60(3) of the Family and Guardianship Code). So unless the Prime Minister was cited as solely responsible, then she can't demand lifetime payments.

Just to add, what the law basically boils down to in Poland is that if a rich man admits having an affair and says 'this divorce is all my fault', his ex-wife is entitled to bleed him dry for the rest of her life, unless she remarries. Otherwise his obligation to support her ceases after five years
mafketis 24 | 9,174
27 Feb 2018 #36
Some quick googling and reading between the lines in the Marckiewicz / Isabel case...

He got sick of how stupid and lazy she was (not uncommon in such marriages) and she wanted a baby and he didn't.

I'm not sure if her desire for a baby was the normal biological desire, a desire for a financial hook into his hide or some combination of both (probably the last)

Not sure how that translates into the niceties of the legal system though my common sense says, she's young and doesn't deserve anything more than transitional support (with a deadline) while she looks for and finds a job.

There doesn't seem to be any indication of him cheating (she surely would be trumpeting it all over the media). If there was cheating it was probably her (he'd be less likely to publicize that)
Atch 16 | 3,268
27 Feb 2018 #37
Mmmm yes, but Izabela was his former mistress and he married her the same year he divorced his first wife..........so he must have known how stupid and lazy she was when he married her. All the same, even in a Polish court which can be very unpredictable, it's unlikely that she'll be able to get any further maintenance after the five year period is up.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,262
27 Feb 2018 #38
the problems between her parents grew to a police call, her father's arrest,

The problems between her parents seem to be rather serious (her father's arrest) and maybe she feels you have not been taking much notice.

I had planned a 2 week surprise holiday for this year and I have already booked all the hotels in the route I had planned every detail :(

Instead you took to something else which isn't necessarily the most appropriate thing to be done at these circumstances.
Atch 16 | 3,268
27 Feb 2018 #39
What thing did he do that isn't appropriate???
Ziemowit 13 | 4,262
27 Feb 2018 #40
Isabel case

The latest video published by Isabel just a few days ago shows the former Polish Prime Minister shouting at her while sitting naked on the toilet seat. Have you seen it?

A fascinating stuff, I must admit ...

What thing did he do that isn't appropriate???

Rather than supporting her in those harsh circumstances he was taking his time googling across the booking.
mafketis 24 | 9,174
27 Feb 2018 #41
I would happily spend the rest of my life without seeing that... brrrrrrrrrrr
Atch 16 | 3,268
27 Feb 2018 #42
Rather than supporting her in those harsh circumstances he was taking his time googling across the booking.

Oh really Ziemowit, that's rather harsh. He probably thought he was being supportive by planning a lovely treat for her.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,262
27 Feb 2018 #43
I would happily spend the rest of my life without seeing that... brrrrrrrrrrr

I just wanted to say that that video is clear proof that real Poland is a completely different country from the Poland painted here from abroad by the true Polish patriots :-)
LongTermR 1 | 37
27 Feb 2018 #44
Nope

I will tell you only a thing. I lived the same things as you lived. So please do not bealive those things such as, I love you but we should get divorce, you are a good person and I would like to help you in the future, you're a special and amazing man but we cannot be together, I want to see you happy I do not deserve you cause Im not a good person, my personality sucks we cannot be together.... Do not bealive brain games it comes from physiological problems. Its a kind of philosophy to make you hell and to fall you a deep hole... Let me put it in that way, its a kind of a strategy and they do it for foreigners in order to show them their modernity... No man they are not... Do not give a **** her and try to not be emotional... Do not think that she really cares you and tell you those all... If she really loves you after 7 years for such a **** reason she would not want to get divorce...
OP nope 2 | 43
27 Feb 2018 #45
@Ziemowit
I had planned it looong before anything had started to happen so please don't jump to conclusions just yet.
@LongTermR
Thanks a lot for your response.
LongTermR 1 | 37
27 Feb 2018 #46
You are very welcome. I really can imagine what you feel. You do not want to bealive after 7 years how a person can change but unfortunately they change. Polish girls are so determined and if they take a decision after its diffucult to change their decisions. Try to talk to her and promise that you will change things what she does not like and so on... If she does not respond just stop contact to her temporarily a while later try to remind some memories, if she still does not change try to do not care what she did for you in the previous 7 years because if she does not want to be with you anymore those years have no value. Do not bring yourself to a deep hole... Try to wait April the weather will be good maybe things will change till that time.

Best Wishes
mafketis 24 | 9,174
27 Feb 2018 #47
Poland is a completely different country from the Poland painted here from abroad by the true Polish patriots

Preachin' to the choir.... remember when there were rumors that ole Kaziu was a secret member of Opus Dei? I guess there's no glimpse of a cilice on his thigh (I have noooooooo intention of seeking out the video, just the stills are enough to instill trauma...
Ziemowit 13 | 4,262
27 Feb 2018 #48
Kaziu was a secret member of Opus Dei

Never heard of it, but it's possible. Kaziu was quite sane and very reasonable as Prime Minister of Poland. But then Our Great Leader Chairman Jarosław Kaczyński decided to call him off from his post (that was under PiS in Power Phase One 2005-2007 which period had been called 'the Fourth Republic' then) and Kaziu apparently decided to seek some consolation in the arms of a certain Isabel. I'm sure he had never expected at that time that he would be filmed by her when sitting on the toilet seat when things get harsh between him and her. So in a way we may say that JK is partially responsible for Kaziu's present misfortunes. Kaziu has often been invited to comment politics on different TV channels, but now I'm afraid this will be stopped as people may tend to project the image of a naked man shouting in the toilet room onto the picture of an elegant former politician talking to them in front of a TV camera.

Back on topic, I'm surprised that people seek advice for their maritial problems on a forum like this or on the internet in general. People hear only one side of the story speaking and only that part of the story what that side wants to tell them. In reality, the truth may be kind of different to what the other side might want to tell us. As the ancient Romans used to say: audiatur et altera pars.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,704
27 Feb 2018 #49
You know your women Dirk, unfortunately can't say the same about myself :(

That's cause I'm the Dirk Digger -
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dirk_Diggler_Story

Bro..... just figure out what her intentions are... that way your at least not left in the dark and can plan accordingly. If she decides to break up itll hurt, I'm aware of that, but it's far better than stringing you along and playing mindgames for 7 more years and living in misery, disloyalty and even possibly infidelity
Nathans
1 Mar 2018 #50
People hear only one side of the story speaking

Happens all the time, within family members too. An anonymous forum gives, at least, some leverage ;)


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