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How many Polish men are Violent how much is domestic abuse reported.


Bluto
6 Dec 2011 #91
Zimmy- once again displays his astute command of the irrelevant for all to behold.

It seems like this Zimmy has gotten under your skin. I've followed his posts and he makes sense to me. I've followed your posts and you seem contradictory. I agree there is a war on boys as well. I agree with both of you but why do you throw in domestic abuse? How does that relate to the war on boys.
skysoulmate 14 | 1,296
6 Dec 2011 #92
think Polish women are more likely to be the ones to get a bit physical in a relationship , probably because they know most Polish guys would not hit a woman...

Great comment, agree 100%. (Except the part about Polish women possibly being more aggressive, I simply don't know.)
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
6 Dec 2011 #93
rue, there is a war on boys and it's infuriating.

Our schools have been overrun by "politically correct" anti-male feminist agendas and a few of my previous examples show that. I'm glad you agree.

that does not absolve those guilty of spousal abuse (and i'm not saying that it's never okay to hit someone because it is very often very okay to hit someone but abuse is violence without just cause so anyone in the pc brigade can take note).

I'm glad that we agree once more but I am confused when you state, "it is very often very okay to hit someone". Are you referring to self defense?

Zimmy- once again displays his astute command of the irrelevant for all to behold.

Now you've gone off the reservation (again) and in the most ironic manner. The irrelevance is all yours since you introduced something not related to you quoting me.

At any rate, I highly recommend the link in my post #92 which shows that domestic violence in all its forms is unfortunately an equal opportunity crime. You wouldn't know that from reading the main street media tripe.
higgledypiggled
6 Dec 2011 #94
This is an interesting discussion but ultimately it's all personal anecdotes and speculation. To answer the original question you'd need reliable statistics. Poland hasn't been great at collecting stats and is worse at publishing them. I think anyone who knows a lot of Polish people well would have heard many stories of it being fairly common to beat wives, in previous generations. Nowadays, who really knows? I would say that many cases go unreported. I couldn't really imagine the local police taking much interest and as for getting restraining orders or injunctions, can't see that happening easily in Poland. The legal system is not really very helpful to ordinary people and family law is pretty abysmal.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
6 Dec 2011 #95
I agree with both of you but why do you throw in domestic abuse?

Look at the thread title

How does that relate to the war on boys.

How does that relate to the thread title?

I've followed his posts and he makes sense to me.

Judging by your inability to absorb the central theme of this thread I'm gonna put that in my "no surprise" bin.

Are you referring to self defense?

My answer is yes but, in case you were heading in this direction it is not real self defence for either men nor women (although they do claim this in court of law quite more frequently) if the "attacks" are emotional. Don't get me started on that nonsense.

The irrelevance is all yours since you introduced something not related to you quoting me.

No, you're wrong.Look at the thread title. Look at what you were writing about. Somehow you used this as a platform to sound off against feminists. Look, I agree with you on the issue but when you launch into your tirade with only the thinnest of veils, as done on this thread, it really undermines the legitimacy of what you're so up in arms about. Post #92- funny you should have brought that up because it shows exactly when you tried to hijack this thread.

Yes, there is inequality and yes, men (particularly white) are in the sights of what really seems to be a concerted emasculation agenda but no, this thread probably is not the best place to go slagging off women and denouncing feminism as a whole- it just makes you look paranoid, small and without grace.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703
6 Dec 2011 #96
Thats fine,will save people the time reading any of his other posts,99% on the same subject, Zimmy has a problem with women,the scary thing is this dude says he has a daughter............
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
6 Dec 2011 #97
War on boys in schools?

More like : lack of male role models.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
7 Dec 2011 #98
ZIMMY:Are you referring to self defense?

My answer is yes but, in case you were heading in this direction it is not real self defence for either men nor women

Ambiguous as always. At least you are consistent in your vagueness. lol You have a difficult time making decisions, right?

Don't get me started on that nonsense.

What nonsense? Are you hearing voices in your head?

Post #92- funny you should have brought that up because it shows exactly when you tried to hijack this thread.

Politically correct hype and false feminist statistics have made their way into main stream media in so strong a manner that most people think that men are the overwhelming brutes who initiate domestic violence. Pointing out that women initiate at least 50% of DV is a positive step to understand the full facts. Nothing wrong with that.

Yes, there is inequality and yes, men (particularly white) are in the sights of what really seems to be a concerted emasculation agenda...

I knew you could do it.

this thread probably is not the best place to go slagging off women and denouncing feminism as a whole-

But it is related to the topic. As to how it relates to Poland: polandian.home.pl/index.php/2009/01/19/feminism-in-poland-3/

From the link:
What are women's main problems in Poland today?

"There still is plenty of them. From such things as unemployment rate being much higher among women. Through women being silent victims of home violence, or sexual violence. To having no real influence on political decisions, especially at the top level. Women being treated with flippancy. And there's the invisibility of lesbians in the public life."

So here we have the usual feminist mantra that men are violent and lets not forget the lesbians whom I have nothing against but it's the same crap we hear in the U.S.

Let's not forget the feminist Women's Party:
clericalwhispers.blogspot.com/2007/09/polish-party-posts-nude-posters-for.html

Ever notice that women will take their clothes off for any cause? It's a real phenomena or is it just in women's nature?

Zimmy has a problem with women,

That part is true but not in the way you think it is. Fact is, I'm with so many women that I fear getting estrogen poisoning. (that's as humorously as I can put it)

the scary thing is this dude says he has a daughter............

I have two daughters and two sons.

,99% on the same subject,

If you want to make a valid point then don't exaggerate or lie like this. I've been on many threads here which include many diverse subject matters. The fact that you see my threads this narrowly only suggests that perhaps you are the one who has a problem with this particular issue.

War on boys in schools?
More like : lack of male role models.

That is part of the problem. There are several other sociological components.
Ant63 13 | 410
7 Dec 2011 #99
I have had many discussions with lawyers in Poland on the issue of domestic violence. Most of them seemed to believe it is not taken seriously in Poland. Following a conversation with one lawyer, I would tend to believe this to be true.

He told me of a lawyer friend of his who married and then experienced physical violence. She went to court 3 times to try and protect herself. After the third attempt, the husband killed her. The judge who had heard all three cases said she should have made a stronger case. I would like to think this judge would err on the side of caution in the future, but who 's to know. Of course mistakes are made everywhere.

Beating children does appear to be acceptable by the majority in Poland. My partners child suffered the belt aged 5. Something I find difficult to reconcile, but conversations I have had with Polish men usually bring out, "its normal in Poland". I know the law changed in 2010 and an anti smacking law was introduced. It would be interesting to see how many convictions there have been since it's introduction. I think in Poland what happens behind closed doors stays behind closed doors which is why it is so suprising when children from a "a nice quiet family" get murdered along with their mother.

The 1965 Family and Guardianship Code, although forward thinking in some respects, really gave adults a get out of jail free card with respect to child abuse.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
7 Dec 2011 #100
Most of them seemed to believe it is not taken seriously in Poland. Following a conversation with one lawyer, I would tend to believe this to be true.

I wonder how seriously it’s taken in Northamptonshire. I heard it from a friend who……….. indeed! There were approximately 11,000 incidents of domestic abuse in the county you live in alone in 2010. Given that reported incidents are thought to make up only 35% of actual instances of abuse, this would mean that as many as 31,400 people could have been victims of domestic abuse in Northamptonshire during this time. Now add to that the child abuse cases and the figure is truly astonishing, a real eye opener, and here you are on a crusade to fix a faraway place, laughable! Go hug a tree!

PS. Hint: Your cause is Nobel indeed but please start fixing the place you live in, it has much more impact on your own personal life. Besides one good look at the statistics tells me there’s a much greater need for activists like yourself to be involved in the needs of your own local community, if you truly believe in the Couse that is. Who gives a sh** what they believe in when you can’t see the tree because of the forest you live in.
Ant63 13 | 410
7 Dec 2011 #101
I think the major difference is that people can speak more openly about these issues in the UK as a whole. Domestic violence figures are without doubt miss leading when you consider how many women use this as a ploy in divorce. The same happens in Poland. The fact is it is unlikely that "the truth" is unlikely to be available.

What can I do to change things in Poland. Nothing. It's up to you guys to stop sweeping it under the carpet. For me it's no crusade, I'm just bitter about your judicial system and the length of time it takes things to resolve, what are in fact, seriously damaging things for children. My cause is not noble, as I have no cause, and I am no activist, just a plain old Joe, shocked at your judiciary.
andersm 4 | 32
7 Dec 2011 #102
There are some cultures that accept male violence against women more than others, but there's a continuum that spreads across all cultures. From the men who would never dream of striking anyone smaller to those who think giving a woman a slap now and then is generally good policy to those who flip out in a rage and put her in the hospital. For a dozen years I volunteered with an emergency shelter for women and children who needed a place to stay when they had to run for cover. The stories were very similar in the way the violence cycled: the beating, the teary apology, the reconciliation, the honeymoon phase, tension building and another beating. What was interesting is how often the woman triggered the beating herself by striking him first. Hence the recorded stats show women are equally prone to violence. But probe a little deeper and you find something quite interesting. In the tension building stage, when she knows a beating is imminent, the woman is under very high stress knowing that violence is coming but she doesn't know when or how bad it will be. So, she tries to control the timing so she can control the severity. Catching him a few minutes before he runs off to a football game with the boys generally means he has less time to inflict permanent damage.

And yes, women can also be the aggressor and I personally know of one case where a 193 cm 115 kg man lives in terror of his 160 cm 55 kg wife. I don't blame him because I know this woman and I would not be surprised to pick up a newspaper one morning and see she's been arrested for killing or disabling someone. She grew up with a lot of abuse from her father and she has a hate for men that's strong enough to lean on. She's not the only one - you'd be surprised how often the woman acting the most seductively is doing it to draw in a man so she has one more victim to vent her fury on. Men have very few places to turn because they fear the laughter and ridicule of others though thankfully there is greater recognition and help than there used to be but certainly it's not easy to find for a man living in a small town.

So, men and women bring their baggage into a relationship, whether its a desire to punish all women or all men for the sins of one or a cultural disposition to use violence to control their partner because that's what they learned growing up.

Family violence encompasses both genders and all classes, cultures and races. Does anyone remember the rich Manhattan lawyer who beat his pre-school child so badly she eventually died? The photo of his wife's face was just gruesome - she was so disfigured she looked like a 50 yr old boxer who'd never won a fight in his life.
modafinil - | 418
8 Dec 2011 #103
Do things like this ever happen in Poland?

guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/07/woman-allegedly-tasered-buried-alive?newsfeed=true

A woman who was allegedly Tasered, bound, gagged and buried alive in a cardboard box by her boyfriend after their relationship ended has told a jury of how she was sure he was going to kill her.

Julian Goose QC, for Kasprzak, suggested to her that his client had only ever intended to scare her and reminded her that the box she was put in had two hand holes through which she could breathe. Lewandowska said: "I can tell you now that they were not left especially or intentionally for me to live."

The prosecution said: "In a nutshell, this case is about a young man who got bored with his partner, the mother of his child, and he decided to get rid of her."
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 441
8 Dec 2011 #104
Do things like this ever happen in Poland?

I bet he got the idea off Kryminalni.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
11 Dec 2011 #105
Domestic violence figures are without doubt miss leading when you consider how many women use this as a ploy in divorce.

There is an epidemic of false domestic violence abuse as well as false restraining orders filed by women. Real victims are affected because those false claims raise suspicions when real abuse occurs. Additionally, women are much more likely to file charges when they are abused then men. There are obvious societal reasons for that. Men feel much more shameful then women when reporting abuse. Often times abusive women know that the men will not file charges. That is what makes the Fiebert Studies so important. Those hundreds of studies by diverse institutions gage the real incidents of DV and not just the reported ones.

Here is a situation involving a mother-in-law which is a bit unorthodox.
thesmokinggun.com/documents/mother-in-law-shoots-son-654819

The following link is unfortunately typical. Females who take up womens studies are impressionable and thousands of false rape claims make feminist organizations happy because they claim that every charge is true thus inflating their preconceived statistics which are then dutifully reported to the media.

saveservices.org/2011/12/michigan-false-rape-accuser-charged-with-felony

From the link: "Johnson had previously made false reports and investigators were able to disprove her allegations." and yet, feminists don't want a woman's past revealed

during trials. Women who name innocent men as rapists should receive prison terms as lengthy as those given real rapists. Destroying lives demands justice.

In related news, Lisalyn R. Jacobs is a feminist lawyer and National Organization of Women attorney. She also served as Chief of Staff of the federal Civil Rights Division. She helped format the highly discriminatory and unconstitutional VAWA legislation which doesn't come close to meeting constitutional viability because it discriminates against men. She believes that violence against women is wrong but evidently it's okay against men. She assaulted a man for videotaping her and others.

annmariewhaley.com/2011/12/05/lisalyn-r-jacobs-charged-arraigned-for-assaulting-daddy-justice-at-vawa-hearing-in-d-c-senate-building

A good feminist democrat, Ms Jacobs is also a proponent of affirmative action. God help us if people like this run America.
bledi 2 | 11
19 Dec 2011 #106
I don't know what you have seen but I have to say that 70% of my neighbours beat their wives&kids on regular basis(especially the alcoholic guy living in the floor above my apartment),how I know it? I CAN HEAR THEM SCREAMING AND CRYING.

And even when once I called the police because I was worried about the little kids in the floor above me NOBODY came!!!
Maybe is only here where I live(is a city with around 100'000 inhabitants) but unfortunately it happens a lot.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
19 Dec 2011 #107
But did the police understand English, bledi? You don't speak Polish, right?
skysoulmate 14 | 1,296
19 Dec 2011 #108
This whole thread is retarded LAgirl. Imagine if I were to start a thread titled "How many Polish women are sluts and how many men do they really sleep around with?" Offensive? You bet ya. ...and extremely unfair to the Polish women. ...or all women for that matter. Similarly, your thread is very unfair to the vast majority of Polish men and is a gigantic generalization encapsulated in utter ignorance. Yes, there are plenty of threads here that are demeaning toward Polish women but I've never started one and I often speak out against this practice.

PS. Just realized this is a 2 year old thread. So never mind... Still don't like it.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
21 Dec 2011 #109
Female teachers who abuse are sometimes [and finally] held accountable in todays liberal society.
wlsam.com/sectional.asp?id=40838&cid=2
bledi 2 | 11
21 Dec 2011 #110
You don't speak Polish, right?

I asked if they speak english and some lady said yes so I described my "problem" and gave them the adress...but everything calmed down only when I put on my headphones :(
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
21 Dec 2011 #111
National Organization of Women

Change the record will ya.

I asked if they speak english and some lady said yes so I described my "problem" and gave them the adress...but everything calmed down only when I put on my headphones :(

You have two options. Either go to the police station in person and file a complaint under the Polish government's Zero Tolerance policy or next time it happens call the police repeatedly - not mentioning anything other than the noise of a drinking session. Enough calls and they'll come out.
andersm 4 | 32
21 Dec 2011 #112
Are there any laws in Poland that make it mandatory to report kids being abused? There is such a law in Canada, passed some years ago when it was discovered a lot of kids were dying at the hands of their parents and it came out at trial that several people knew there was severe abuse but didn't say anything. Now a person can be charged as accessory to a crime if they don't report.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,385
21 Dec 2011 #113
Are there any laws in Poland that make it mandatory to report kids being abused?

no idea about the laws, but how would i know about anyone being abused unless i saw it, heard it, or was told about it.

also, what do you think will happen to you when your neighbour finds out you have reported them.
andersm 4 | 32
21 Dec 2011 #114
The law was good in intent and bad in practice for the very reason you state. It was aimed at doctors, teachers, family members etc. who saw the child and knew with certainty there was a problem. But it was a pretty big net and dragged in the neighbours as well who only heard the ruckus. However, as with anything, the law of unintended consequences always trumps the best of intentions. It opened the doors to all the busybodies who couldn't wait to report some harried father in a grocery store smacking his kid on the arse for screaming and kicking in a tantrum because the kid wanted something.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
21 Dec 2011 #115
Are there any laws in Poland that make it mandatory to report kids being abused?

As far as I know you're obliged to report a serious crime (and after all, it doesn't get much more serious than child abuse) if you are aware of it. As well as any legal obligation, there is of course a moral one.
Ant63 13 | 410
22 Dec 2011 #116
Are there any laws in Poland that make it mandatory to report kids being abused?

It's one thing reporting abuse, it's another getting a court to do anything about it. From my experience the court wants prima faci evidence and if they don't get it they will do nothing. Again from experience this is dealt with by the family court and one court will do something and one will not. There is no consensous. Young judges possibly the problem. Erring on the side of caution but not the right side. Unfortunately any appeal process to a higher court will take 3 months. Here you will get an older more experienced judge who will look at things more thoroughly and likely put the interests of the child first.

As an example of how long things take in Poland, if International Social Services contacts the Polish equivelant, they do not expect a reply for 6 months. Thats 12.5% of a four year olds life.

The current Kurator system is laughable.
andersm 4 | 32
22 Dec 2011 #117
It's one thing reporting abuse, it's another getting a court to do anything about it.

The way it goes here is that suspicion of abuse is reported to a government ministry called Child and Family Services who assign a social worker to investigate. If these suspicions are founded then the child is taken away and put in foster care. The social worker has a lot of influence. If the courts are involved it's typically one of two ways, the parents challenge the right of the social worker to take the child. Or, the child is severely injured or killed and then it's part of the criminal justice system. By that time it's a matter of doing too little, too late. I can't think of one instance in this latter situation where someone, somewhere didn't know things were bad in the home. And then the finger pointing begins. I'll stray off-topic here for a moment and talk about a trial currently involving a family from Afghanistan where the father, mother and oldest son are on trial for first degree murder of three teen girls and the father's first wife - an honour killing, is what the papers call it. The school knew there was abuse in the home and dutifully reported it to Child and Family Services. The idiot social worker interviewed the girls in front of the father and mother and of course the girls recanted because they were terrified. A few weeks later they were dead.
cipkathcheetah 1 | 9
8 Mar 2015 #118
Merged: how do I do whatever, go wherever I want without him getting jealous and beating

Ive been with my bf for 4 years, he is polish/im black..

He wont let me do anything. I cant go to the shops or to my friends house without his following. He is constantly on my phone and is extremely paranoid and on top of that his friends tell him to beat me more and that its not enough, girl like this get taken very easy. I want to go to parties with my friends and dress sexy. He wants me to dress like a mother all the time and I cant be friends with unmarried girls. it can be a very violent relationship. Last week the police got called because he punched me in the eye and head cause i would not let him see my phone. When i was pregnant he dragged me on the street by my hair all the way home. He is not ashamed to make a scene. Im living in fear all the time because most of his friends here in london are against me. They are always watching me and tell him things about me thats got nothing to do with them. They will tell him i was on the street talking to men or that my dress was too short and breasts were showing. Im young i can dress how i want. So what if i talk to men, i like it. I cant get him to understand that. And there no argueing back as well, he just beats me and then go get drunk with his spy friends and come home and beats again. Sometimes its like walking on eggshells but i still love him and i can see he loves me too cause he works very hard to give me everything i want., we have a two year old daughter together. His friends and family in poland tries to protect us and give us advice. Here in the uk not really.
Levi_BR 6 | 219
8 Mar 2015 #119
I Dont think that Polish Men are violent.

Of course that it depends of what you consider violence. Of course Polish Men are different of British, Japanese or Latin men.

But after live at Middle East, in Arabia, i would say that Polish Men are extremelly kind and gentle compared to the men here.

I want to go to parties with my friends and dress sexy. He wants me to dress like a mother all the time and I cant be friends with unmarried girls.

By the way that you write, you are not British. You are just another Pakistani troll that want to do a bad image of Polish men to find polish girls to "be friend"
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
8 Mar 2015 #120
Some women are psychologically abusive and some men are physically abusive. The abusive ones tend to attract and deserve each other. Let them have their utopia.


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