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How many Polish men are Violent how much is domestic abuse reported.


OP LAGirl 9 | 496
30 Nov 2009 #31
I told you polish men has tempers. the young Polish guys I know are very nice laid back and cool but the guys in their 40s and up you need to watch out. his daughter was over at our house last night and even she said how hard and bad tempered he is. Polish men for the most part drink too much.I do eventually want to move on. I am tired of him.
sadieann 2 | 205
30 Nov 2009 #32
Do it! It's better to be happy and have self respect. Remember your happiness is the most important. Don't depend on someone else to make you happy.. Plus, your not moving forward with your life. Don't look back with regrets.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,443
30 Nov 2009 #33
wife battery is an international problem, not a Polish men problem.
southern 75 | 7,096
1 Dec 2009 #34
Only in UK the roles are reverse.
natasia 3 | 368
1 Dec 2009 #35
I have never seen any evidence that Polish guys are more violent towards women than guys of any other nationality

i think that the occasional physical reaction is not seen as totally unacceptable, in the way i think it is in my culture (english). and certainly whacking kids is seen as aok.

i guess there's a downside to a very physical culture for men.

of course nobody here can give a definitive answer based on statistics, as everyone's opinion is based on a relatively small sampling. but put it this way .. i have heard that 'oh and now he never sees his kids ... they got divorced ... he drank ... he beat her up ...' more times in the past few years of being with Poles than ever before (before it was just something i occasionally read about in the papers).

to be honest i think it is more the vodka, and the frustration, and the prescriptive male culture, than anything else. i would risk saying that i think, from my experience, there is more lashing out among Poles than among my (fey, intellectual ; ) English friends ...

Only in UK the roles are reverse.

you wish ; )
polishcanuck 7 | 462
1 Dec 2009 #36
All polish women told me that their bfs used to beat them and I was not surprised.

You mean pimps...
The girls you "see" are escorts.
southern 75 | 7,096
1 Dec 2009 #37
Polishcanuk you live in US and you cannot understand the eastern European system.Many girls get sponsored even from married men,other get tips and the lines to prostitution are never defined(good).

If your girl cheats with you to get a bracelait,I find it likely that a polish man will beat her.She will do this to the weak foreigner with no remorse and the foreigner will feel the humiliation.
OP LAGirl 9 | 496
1 Dec 2009 #38
Exactly. My guy talks **** about American women I said there are plenty of eastern European tarts who marry honest nice American or foriegn men and dump and humiliate them. just watch out if you ina relationship especially with Poles Czechs and Definatley Russians who are the worst in the world.

I have to say Most Polish girls are very nice honest and decent. there is good and bad in every country.the most highest of marriage for greencard is by Russians be careful.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
1 Dec 2009 #39
I have seen how Polish men are..

Listen ,my dad was second generation Polish-American...My Tata, he come over on the boat...Both of these men were the kindest, most gentle men imaginable...Never laid a hand on either my mother or grandmother, worked to their death building a home for the family...Although I have no children, I learned about respect for women from the Polish nuns who taught me in grade school, and my mother.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
1 Dec 2009 #40
The highest incidence of domestic violence in the U.S. is found in the minority communities which are African-American and Hispanic-American.

alcoholism.about.com/cs/abuse/a/blacer030917.htm
OP LAGirl 9 | 496
2 Dec 2009 #41
Thats is very true Zimmy.
Prometeusz - | 7
12 Mar 2010 #42
proverb
"Jak bije, to kocha"
"If he beats, that means he loves"
What ever she tells sometimes it is way to upkeep the relationship (extremly shellow and pity for me).
With alcohol it is realy disgusting, but when the woman drinks too I have no sympathy for her.
f stop 25 | 2,513
12 Mar 2010 #43
The highest incidence of domestic violence in the U.S. is found in the minority communities which are African-American and Hispanic-American.

Holy Mother of Jesus, Zimmy, that's the first one you didn't blame of feminists!! Yet.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
12 Mar 2010 #44
My objectivity knows no bounds.
f stop 25 | 2,513
12 Mar 2010 #45
Wealth is someone's assets, minus debts. According to the report, the median wealth of single black women is $100, single Hispanic women $120 and single white women $41,500.

interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/a-conversation-about-race/general-news/2010/03/women-of-color-have-far-less-wealth-than-men-white-women
Damn those communist feminists!
Prometeusz - | 7
12 Mar 2010 #46
"pain baby pain" that is our default relationship.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
12 Mar 2010 #47
Much of the violence in the black and Hispanic community has to do with culture and not finances. Many poor people do not beat up their spouses; those who do have other issues which include raising children in single parent households. Those children grow up and continue this cycle which of course includes inherent poverty. Additionally, government welfare programs contribute to this sort of dependence.
f stop 25 | 2,513
12 Mar 2010 #48
The abuse continues if a woman cannot leave. And that requires some financial means.
I would not be surprised that men like Zimmy are mad at feminists because they see them as empowering their victims.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
13 Mar 2010 #49
The abuse continues if a woman cannot leave.

Your assumption may only be half true. You left out the very pertinent fact that half of all domestic abuse is initiated by women.
Once again, women like you posit the statement from a skewed, that is, half true perspective. That is a big part of the problem when dealing with the totality of domestic abuse.

divorcesupport.about.com/od/abusiverelationships/a/male_abuse.htm

men like Zimmy are mad at feminists because they see them as empowering their victims.

This is tired, cliched, stale repartee right out of the feminist studies classroom. Hopefully, politically correct and overused words like "empowering" will soon die a natural death.

Such feminist cookie-cutter responses must even be tiring to those who repeatedly use them.
f stop 25 | 2,513
13 Mar 2010 #50
all of your replies only enforce the fact that you have a very skewed vision of the world, women especially. Stick with the spearhead, you'll find validation there.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
13 Mar 2010 #51
you have a very skewed vision

Skew this!
csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
f stop 25 | 2,513
13 Mar 2010 #52
Skew this!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence

"in the most serious cases of violence men dominate. Women are much more likely to be murdered by an intimate partner, regardless of who started the fight. Among the persons killed by an intimate partner, about three quarters are female, and about a quarter are male: in 1999, in the US, 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner, regardless of which partner started the violence and of the gender of the partner.[25] In the US, in 2005, 1181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners. [26] [27]"

who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs239/en/index.html

vday.org/take-action/violence-against-women/battery-abuse

Nearly three in four family violence victims are female - 73%. (US Bureau of Justice, June 2005)
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
13 Mar 2010 #53
LOL, yes indeed, your bottom link is from V Day, a misandrist feminist website known for reinterpreting facts. No wonder you prefer your 'female fancy' world to the real one. No wonder you are not budged by violence against male spouses let alone admit to it.

That would inhibit women like you playing the victim card.

Conversely, my link is politically neutral as it gathered objective facts {271 scholarly investigations: 211 empirical studies and 60 reviews}, and here is the corporeal difference - none of those many studies with an aggregate sample size exceeding 365,000 are related to each other or to any political agenda. That's a far cry from the agenda driven V Day feminists which you proudly but shamefully link. Perhaps you don't understand the difference.

....and oh, men don't report being beaten or hit by women anywhere near the frequency that women do, and most posters here inherently understand the cultural reasons for that.

Government agencies like the Justice Department take the given numbers and this official (but inaccurate) information is thus reported. However in professionally gathered studies where they feel less inhibited, men, like the women in the vast Feibert studies feel less inhibited to tell the truth.

You are aware that V Day was started by radical feminists as a counterpart to Valentine's Daywhich celebrates love between men and women.........aren't you?

Yet you use them as a source.

Your first link notes international domestic violence in countries such as Tanzania, etc and it is probably true that women in third world countries are disproportionately mistreated.
f stop 25 | 2,513
13 Mar 2010 #54
a misandrist feminist website known for reinterpreting facts.

I can use the same argument for all your links.
But, you are just confusing yourself. All you need is some straight crime statistics. The ones for murder were not worth mention?
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
13 Mar 2010 #55
I can use the same argument for all your links.

No madam, you cannot!

If you actually took the time, that is the courage to read some of those studies you would see that they are not politically driven and were researched by a myriad of unrelated professionals. No one ideology or political belief ties them together.

ll you need is some straight crime statistics

Wrong again. As pointed out, men do not officially report being violence victims so in the case of (shameful) domestic battery, the official government figures for men do not reflect the reality that women commit half of all domestic violence.

In several dozen Feibert studies, women themselves report that they batter men so it isn't just men stating it. But stick to the V Day gals who wanted to counter Valentine's Day with a hate day called V Day. You seem comfortable in that cult.

As to murder stats, 75 percent of all murder victims in the U.S. are male and most are killed by other men. It may surprise some that 50 percent of all murders in the U.S. are committed by black Americans and there are unfortunate cultural and societal reasons for that.

In domestic violence murders men are now more apt to kill their partners than women are.
That wasn't the case until the 1980's when the ratio was 50/50. There are reasons for that as well. Women have many outlets of help, shelters and other institutions which help women only. Men do not. Men do not have support structures (unless family and friends are there for them) That's no excuse! Murder is never justified. It is however, a fact.

Nevertheless, even the government reports are not quite right. Women will, much more frequently than men, hire someone, often another male friend to kill their husbands. When this occurs, it is not counted as female domestic murder but as a group crime or sometimes a "couples crime". (U.S. Dept. of Justice "Crime in the United States" Chapter: "Victim Offender Relationship by Race and Sex")

Finally, men who are murdered by poison (women use this means 20 times more frequently than men) are reported to have died from a heart attack. Unless an autopsy is performed such murders go unnoticed.

It's logical to know the 'fuller truths' on a particular subject. Those with an agenda have difficulty with this.
f stop 25 | 2,513
13 Mar 2010 #56
No madam, you cannot!

Yes I can, and I did. You are repeating yourself. Feibert study if flawed.

men do not officially report being violence victims

not even murders?

That wasn't the case until the 1980's when the ratio was 50/50.

let me guess.. Feibert or spearhead?

Those with an agenda have difficulty with this.

and that is so true. And lets see.. your agenda is to try and convince people that feminists are communists?
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
13 Mar 2010 #57
Feibert study if flawed.

Which ones are flawed? All of them? How about a concrete example instead of merely spouting words? Since Feibert compiled 271 scholarly investigations: 211 empirical studies and 60 reviews and is not a single entity, it is interesting feminist bravado on your part to suggest without proof that the hundreds of professionals who conducted these diverse investigations are all wrong. Additionally, the more than 365,000 respondents are also all liars. Stay in your liberal dream world, the embarrassing V Day one which you failed to defend after I brought out its organizational intent.

your agenda is to try and convince people that feminists are communists?

History cannot be denied and I've already shown the origins of feminism and in other threads quoted the top feminist leaders who admit to being socialists and or communists.

Instead of taking up space and again quoting the top 20 feminists who have admitted to being communists and have steered feminism into what it is today I'll just link good old Betty Friedan who kicked off "modern feminism" in 1963 with her misandrist book.

savethemales.ca/000185.html

This is too easy for me and for those who defend V day, probably too complicated.
f stop 25 | 2,513
13 Mar 2010 #58
How about a concrete example instead of merely spouting words?

How about keeping it simple, with statistics you can prove? You can site exceptions till the hell freezes over, nobody here is mathematically challenged enough to believe that women abuse men just as much as men abuse women. In 2005, 3 women a DAY were killed by their "intimate" partner. How many men were killed by their spouses, can you find that in your report?

When women kill - and they do so at astonishingly lower rates than men who commit 85% of all homicides - the vast majority kill family members, usually men who have battered them for years. As many as 90% of the women in jail today for killing men had been battered by those men. (Allison Bass, "Women far less likely to kill than men; no one sure why," The Boston Globe, February 24, 1992, p. 27)

Women commit 17% of all homicides and a high percentage are committed in big cities such as Houston and Philadelphia. The fear, rage, and entrapment associated with abuse can lead a woman to strike out against her assailant for sheer survival. Unfortunately, killing is often a woman's safest alternative given the absence of police protection or its ineffectiveness due to state laws requiring injury in a "domestic" before an arrest is mandated. (Evan Stark, "Rethinking Homicide: violence, Race, and the Politics of Gender," International Journal of Health and Services, vol. 20, No. 1, 1990, p. 18)

Although women comprise more than half of the U.S. population and 23% of all homicide victims, they committed only 14.7% of the homicides reported during the study (male/female ratio = 6.33). (Arthur Kellerman, "Men, Women and Murder," The Journal of Trauma, July 17, 1992, p. 2)
king polkagamon
13 Mar 2010 #59
Most cases of children and infant abuse is also commited by women.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
13 Mar 2010 #60
nobody here is mathematically challenged enough to believe that women abuse men just as much as men abuse women.

In the case of domestic abuse the evidence is overwhelming that women strike or hit men as often as men hit women. All objective studies reveal this. That's because relationships are 'dynamic' and emotional and size doesn't matter. Besides, many women know that their men won't hit back.

The comments here are straight out of feminist studies. Same excuses about women merely protecting themselves etc. Sadly, you seem incapable of breaking out of your self-imposed feminist matrix and are unable to learn something new. Your level of feminist discourse is strikingly low and biased and is refuted by all but hard core lefties.

Are you still supporting V Day? Since I outed it, you seem to have lost your tongue. V day was started by Eve Ensler to combat Valentine's Day. Yes, Valentine's Day was too threatening to feminists like Ms Ensler who wrote the "Vagina Monologues which uses profanity as some sort of female "empowerment". Women on stage call their genitals all kinds of things, and shout out swear words which of course is some sort of liberation for them. (can you imagine "penis dialogues" doing the same thing?). It's laughable yet millions of women have been drawn to this pathetic stage display. In one scene a young woman who baby sits a 13 year-old sexually seduces her and it's called "love" - not rape.

As to feminism and communism I highly recommend the book "Red Feminism" by Kate Wiegand (a woman). It is incredibly informative.
amazon.com/Red-Feminism-Communism-Liberation-Reconfiguring/dp/0801871115

Most cases of children and infant abuse is also commited by women.

Can't be true, feminism teaches us that women are "victims" and if they do something bad then it's still a man's fault........somehow.


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