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Polish couples living out of wedlock?


Harry
25 Nov 2012 #61
I had a good look and can't see anything there about the fees that the parents pay, which means we can conclude that school is state-funded.

Well, forgive me but that's a dumb attitude because in this way nothing's ever gonna change. You should complain about the mother's attitude as much as you do about the school's - or not complain at all.

Pathetic response. Perhaps you'd like to blame the kid too?
People involved in education in Warsaw (i.e. people such as the mother in question, and me) know which side the Kuratorium will take in a dispute.

.Do you really want us to believe that public school refused a child because his/her parents weren't married?

A state-funded school in Warsaw Poland did that exact thing.

When was that?In 1925?

I said a couple of years ago but now I think about it more, it would have been more like four or five years ago (time flies).

I want to add that my family has beed working in schools for last 4 decades.

Great: ask them how St. Dominik Savio in Lubin survives given that it charges the parents nothing and according to Magda gets nothing from the state either.
Ironside 49 | 10,583
25 Nov 2012 #62
hat do you think of Polish couples living in sin, bringing out-of-wedlock babies into the world and not even bothering to baptise them?

Well if they are living without marriage I think it is good they do not even bother to baptize them. What would be the point?

Again some posters are maliciously taking this thread off-topic bringing some made up examples of supposed discrimination. I think that mods should react.
There are usual throng of anti-religious nutters and some empty headed and sure footed soldiers of tolerance ! comical!
I guess it was always like that - few people grueling to and forth over some issues and each of them is backed by supporters, armed with pitchforks and torches ready to sprang at their opponents throat.

Somehow on PF those pro-religious are less aggressive at least.:)
zetigrek
25 Nov 2012 #63
grueling to and forth

You're certaintly not a good example to learn English from... ;)
Ironside 49 | 10,583
25 Nov 2012 #64
OH? I'm not! I say do not ever emulate my English on PF!
I like to play a little! Like in saying - barking up the wrong tree! Barking at the wrong tree is not saying anymore but correct expression, yet everyone would assume that you got it wrong :) harmless....

I'm stuck with a flu! Should be I'm sick with a flu:) but I think a first example is more telling:)
Lenka 3 | 2,183
25 Nov 2012 #65
A state-funded school in Warsaw Poland did that exact thing.

State founded-maybe.Private shools get money from government.If you meant PUBLIC school I still don't believe that.ESPECIALLY in Warsaw.If you told me it was somewhere in small village I might have believed you but Warsaw?Are you serious?

I said a couple of years ago but now I think about it more, it would have been more like four or five years ago (time flies).

I was in elemantary school a long time ago and in my school were children of inmarried couples.

Great: ask them how St. Dominik Savio in Lubin survives given that it charges the parents nothing and according to Magda gets nothing from the state either.

Private schools get subventions from government.Besides maybe there're sponsors?
Either way it has nothing to do with the story you told.
Ironside 49 | 10,583
25 Nov 2012 #66
Please don't hate me for that. I just couldn't leave it.

Quite all right:)
As I said if I'm not focusing I do have problems with articles:) Always had
somehow I cannot be bother to correct my lingo on PF! Maybe I should
Richfilth 6 | 415
26 Nov 2012 #67
regarding language, it might be worth pointing out that PUBLIC and STATE schools are two different things in English. PUBLIC is, strangely, a type of PRIVATE school. This might clear up some of the "discussion" in this thread.
Harry
26 Nov 2012 #68
^ The school I am talking about charges no fees, it is entirely funded by the Polish state. That makes it, to me at least, a state school and not a private school (or a semi-private school).
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
26 Nov 2012 #69
The school I am talking about charges no fees, it is entirely funded by the Polish state.

How do you know that if you don't remember any of the details, like its name or number? It might be entirely or partly funded by a religious order, for example.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
26 Nov 2012 #70
I really hope you are wrong about this one Harry because it has annoyed me to no end.

And that letter you posted, really makes me think of leaving Poland.

I know you're being drilled about it not being a state school but I don't want to believe what you are saying is true, so I will ask one question.

For a state school, I am told, that you do not require several interviews, are you certain?
zetigrek
26 Nov 2012 #71
In normal state school one doesn't need an interview at all: just the grades from previous school and good oppinion regarding behaviour.

And that letter you posted, really makes me think of leaving Poland.

Aren't you exaggerating?
Ok, I will give you a reason for leaving Poland if such thing is a reason for you to do so: if you don't accept a priest coming to your home po kolędzie for several years in a row you might expect to be refused a Catholic funeral...
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
26 Nov 2012 #72
Aren't you exaggerating?

No.

if you don't accept a priest coming to your home po kolędzie for several years in a row you might expect to be refused a Catholic funeral...

I do not want a Catholic funeral.
zetigrek
26 Nov 2012 #73
So what's so outrageous when a RE teaching priest sniches to the parish about pupil resignation from the lessons? It's the same.
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
26 Nov 2012 #74
"INFORMATION: I wish to inform you that X, son of Y and Z, residing at ABC Street, has resigned from Religious Education classes in this school year. Please add this information to the parish files and in future draw the appropriate consequences." It's then signed by the priest running the RE classes.

I had another look at this letter. The "appropriate consequences" most probably mean that the person who withdrew from RE class would have to participate in additional pre-marriage courses before being allowed to have a church wedding. My friend attended RE class, I didn't; the difference, when it came to a church wedding, was exactly that. She had the appropriate certificate already and could go on to choose her wedding dress, while I attended some of the most boring meetings in my life.

So, though I agree that the letter sounds ominous, especially in the translation to English, I think any atheist who resigns from RE has absolutely nothing to fear ;-)
zetigrek
26 Nov 2012 #75
I will add that a colleague of mine was allowed to take confirmation at her 20s just to become a godmother...
Harry
26 Nov 2012 #76
How do you know that if you don't remember any of the details, like its name or number?

Oh dear, it seems that you have had to resort to lying: at no time have I said that I don't remember any of the details. I actually said here that "I can't give you the name or number as I never knew it." What I do know is that the school charged parents no fees at all: it was state funded.

It might be entirely or partly funded by a religious order, for example.

Could you perhaps name the primary schools in south central Warsaw which are entirely funded by religious orders? Oh, and be sure to also tell us how much tax relief or other government aid any such religious order gets.

For a state school, I am told, that you do not require several interviews, are you certain?

I am entirely certain that I heard the mother in question complaining (before her kid was denied a place) about the interview process.
Ironside 49 | 10,583
26 Nov 2012 #77
I just wonder whether debating imaginary or potential discrimination is off-topic in this thread?
I understand that some posters are obsessed and cannot help themselves. It is only yet anther example of the fact that bragging about their excessive knowledge of /Poland is just bragging.

On the other hand it could also pegged down to the bias on their part.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
26 Nov 2012 #78
zetigrek, I made an error in my post.

A child not being admitted to a public school because his parent's are not wed makes me think of leaving this country.
I have thought about it several times for similar reasons.

I think any atheist who resigns from RE has absolutely nothing to fear

I'd hope so.

I just wonder whether debating imaginary or potential discrimination is off-topic in this thread?

If a Catholic weren't admitted to a school because his parents were Catholic, you'd be all over it and you'd be right to be.

You have a huge problem seeing other people's point of view, consider what I have said and tell me it isn't so.
Harry
26 Nov 2012 #79
I just wonder whether debating imaginary or potential discrimination is off-topic in this thread?

I don't in the slightest bit wonder whether your trolling in this thread is in the slightest bit on-topic: it very clearly is not.

Children born out of wedlock are routinely discriminated against in Poland. Of course as you haven't live in Poland in decades, you don't know that.

I understand that some posters are obsessed and cannot help themselves. It is only yet anther example of the fact that bragging about their excessive knowledge of /Poland is just bragging.

Your obsession with me is vaguely touching and highly amusing.
zetigrek
26 Nov 2012 #80
zetigrek, I made an error in my post. A child not being admitted to a public school because his parent's are not wed makes me think of leaving this country. I have thought about it several times for similar reasons.

Look here, page one:

It was not a public school: it is entirely state funded (not even one of the schools which is partially state funded and with the parents paying some fees too).

I think it was not an ordinary "Gimnazjum nr 454 im.B.M. Seanskiego in Warsaw".
Harry
26 Nov 2012 #81
I think it was not an ordinary "Gimnazjum nr 454 im.B.M. Seanskiego in Warsaw".

However, it was state funded, so Sean and I are paying the wages of those bigots.
zetigrek
26 Nov 2012 #82
Right, but he thinks it was an ordinary school.
Harry
26 Nov 2012 #83
Which it could be.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
26 Nov 2012 #84
Please add this information to the parish files

Is it just me that's deeply afraid of the RCC having "files" on locals, given their previous history?
zetigrek
26 Nov 2012 #85
Which it could be.

Ok, one more question because I've lost this information: was it a Catholic (or any other denomination) school? If so, then it wasn't an ordinary school.

Is it just me that's deeply afraid of the RCC having "files" on locals, given their previous history?

They create a folder when you get baptised ;)
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
26 Nov 2012 #86
It was not a public school: it is entirely state funded

I thought Harry meant not Public as in Private, in the English use of terms.
English people have that the wrong way round for goodness knows what reason.
Private means public and vise versa.

I'm knackered, I shouldn't post now for fear of getting everything wrong and making an ass of myself.
(how does that differ from usual I hear you ask:)
Harry
26 Nov 2012 #87
Ok, one more question because I've lost this information: was it a Catholic (or any other denomination) school?

Simple answer: I don't know.
zetigrek
26 Nov 2012 #88
I thought Harry meant not Public as in Private, in the English use of terms.English people have that the wrong way round for goodness knows what reason. Private means public and vise versa

I'm lost with that too.
How I did understand him is that it was not an ordinary school but some denominational school which is entirely state funded. Now he says he doesn't know if that was a denominational school... so we rounded a full circle and find ourself clueless what we are actually discussing :)))
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
26 Nov 2012 #89
They create a folder when you get baptised ;)

You laugh, but when you consider the amount of collaboration seen by churchmen in other countries - isn't it scary to think that it could be used against you by a future regime?
zetigrek
26 Nov 2012 #90
a future regime?

Are you a PiS paranoic? :)

Just in case: you should know this forum will have enough on us ;)))


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