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What's wrong with you, Polish people - is it an inferiority complex?


Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
22 Dec 2007 #31
So who has this problem ? Where ? When ? How does It look like ?

you do. here. now. look in a mirror.

ok ok all kidding aside:

omniba wrote:
Well, these are the signs of an inferiority complex: sensitivity to criticism, hypercritical attitude, tendency towards blaming, feelings of persecution etc.

X says to Y: You are blah blah blah...
Y denies, so...

Y has inferiority complex... wow.

it is more the vehemence of your responses-me think he doth protest too much- which may lead someone to nominate you as chairman of the board of the poles with a national identity complex group.

but i guess opinions are like arses- most of them stink.
omniba
22 Dec 2007 #32
national identity complex

It's not a national identity problem though - Poles know who they are, they know their history etc. - it's just that there is a tendency to get so defensive even when no-one is really attacking. There is also a tendency to lose the sense of humour and to jump down peoples' throats if there is even the slightest criticism, instead of replying rationally and coolly and explaining what the Polish perspective on everything is.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
22 Dec 2007 #33
my bad, i'll edit, cheers for keeping me honest

*sigh* Foreigner4 has tried to no avail it can't be re-edited
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
22 Dec 2007 #34
which may lead someone to nominate you as chairman of the board of the poles with a national identity complex group.

Well, no matter what "national identity complex" is, all I can say about your post is... yawn... which "obviously" only confirms my inferiority complex...

Generally "inferiority complex" is just like "racism" and similar things something people use when they run out of arguments and once this "wunderwaffe" is used you know that this is the end of serious discussion because no matter what the answer is that supposedly only confirms the person "is" or "have" It.

there is a tendency to get so defensive even when no-one is really attacking.

Because pretending that It's raining when someone is spitting on you would be so normal...

...and when one fool or another claims that HIV rate in Poland is very high or that Poles are idiots then showing statistics which proves something else is a matter of inferiority comples... now that's a logic...

There is also a tendency to lose the sense of humour and to jump down peoples' throats if there is even the slightest criticism

Hmm... So maybe I will start opening topics about UK - British are liars and thievs, qeen is old bitch, British would be still monkeys without other nations, British (any city/region in UK) is a dirty dump populated by idiots etc. and then we will test British sense of humour ?
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510
22 Dec 2007 #35
lol - you just dont get it...do you
Wyspianska
22 Dec 2007 #36
Hmm... So maybe I will start opening topics about UK - British are liars and thievs, qeen is old bitch, British would be still monkeys without other nations

It's not neccesary to open topics about OBVIOUS things :)
_Sofi_
22 Dec 2007 #37
I agree with you there, Grzegorz. Also it's true, no matter what you say it will only 'confirm' otherwise... I don't know why you'd bother!

British are liars and thievs, qeen is old bitch, British would be still monkeys without other nations, British (any city/region in UK) is a dirty dump populated by idiots etc. and then we will test British sense of humour ?

Could be fun ;p Yet I disagree about the queen: you left out 'rigid' - a rigid old bitch. Obviously the rest is true.
southern 75 | 7,096
22 Dec 2007 #38
I think it has to do with the features that stereotypes attribute.I mean a stereotype of Poles drinking much would not bother them,but jokes about stupidity hurt them.

The classic about English is that they are all gays.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510
22 Dec 2007 #39
youre right - our women just cant get enough of those beautiful polish girls
_Sofi_
22 Dec 2007 #40
our women just cant get enough of those beautiful polish girls

They drive me wild :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Wyspianska
22 Dec 2007 #41
Hmm when i started to think... Polish men should have an inferiority complex because of English. I can tell since i got some experiences.
omniba
22 Dec 2007 #42
the end of serious discussion

Serious discussion ends, surely, when people get over-touchy and start insulting others instead of putting forward good arguments to prove their point.

People can appear to be racist because of what they say, and they can appear to have an inferiority complex by how they say something.

something people use when they run out of arguments

Very true. Both "racism" and "inferiority complex" accusations can be used as a weapon, and those who resort to such tactics use are usually the people who don't have sufficient knowledge to back up the points they want to make - therefore they too have a very obvious inferiority complex.

Because pretending that It's raining when someone is spitting on you would be so normal...

...and when one fool or another claims that HIV rate in Poland is very high or that Poles are idiots then showing statistics which proves something else is a matter of inferiority comples... now that's a logic...

No - I'm not saying that you have to take insults with a smile. Not at all. But you see in any discussion the person who manages to keep calm while all around everyone is screaming insults, actually wins the "battle" ....this is logical.
southern 75 | 7,096
22 Dec 2007 #43
But you see in any discussion the person who manages to keep calm while all around everyone is screaming insults, actually wins the "battle" ....this is logical.

The problem is that sometimes the person who keeps calm is the one who outrages the others who start screaming insults.
omniba
22 Dec 2007 #44
the person who keeps calm is the one who outrages the others who start screaming insults

I'll accept your point if you show me an example. :)
southern 75 | 7,096
22 Dec 2007 #45
It is easy.Here it is internet and there is no physical presence,so it is impossible to see if somebody is angry or raises his voice etc.In the real world when sb expresses an argument,he gets under pressure.His ability to stand the pressure will define the luck or not of his argument,cause if he gets angry he will lose his right.

So if another person who is not right manages to make you angry while he stays calm,he will win because you did not control your emotions the right way cause in real life there are lots of emotions involved.But in internet the person who is angry will prevail because his anger passes unnoticed while the calm person appears weak.So internet argument changes the natural frame of discussion and maybe leads to what they call ''victory of the retarded'',that is the person who loses will tell you that in real world you would have no chance since he could manage better his emotions and set a different frame and a lot more qualities would appear that are not obvious in internet argument.Sorry for my english.
omniba
22 Dec 2007 #46
in internet the person who is angry will prevail because his anger passes unnoticed while the calm person appears weak.

Your English is fine..
For a start, here on the net when people write and are literally seething with anger it is very visible - they start thrashing about, lose the thread of the argument, often repeating one word on and on, often insulting - instead of using the one great advantage that the internet offers: the ability to go away for a bit, check facts, cool down, and return to reiterate their point with more facts, or simply with a more lucid phrase. Calmly. And without losing prestige.

After all, every nation is judged by the ordinary people who speak for it, far more than by its official ambassadors. There is that to remember, too.

It's easy to bluster and shout - anyone can do that - but it simply leads nowhere. Those who offend and insult are just considered primitive, so where is the victory? Saying "He made me do it" is no excuse - unless one is five years old, and I believe most of us here haven't been five for quite a few years.

Were we dealing with subjects like football, then fair enough - shout, scream - who cares? But here we're discussing some important matters and we have this golden opportunity to be able to do it irrespective of who and where we are in the world. It would be nice to use this opportunity well.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
22 Dec 2007 #47
Because pretending that It's raining when someone is spitting on you would be so normal...

hmmm, the metaphor used there speaks volumes about the mindset behind it.
*yawns*
rafik 18 | 589
22 Dec 2007 #49
British are liars and thievs

British would be still monkeys without other nations

It's not neccesary to open topics about OBVIOUS things :)

Polish men should have an inferiority complex because of English. I can tell since i got some experiences

i got a bit confused with it...
omniba
23 Dec 2007 #50
You're not the only one - same here! :)
OP Dice 15 | 452
26 Dec 2007 #51
I think I get it now.
Poles have to do many degrading and low-paid jobs all over Europe, because their own economy is in shambles. Maybe that's why they simply feel undervalued; hence all these racist posts here.

What's scary to me is the fact that people smearing those racist comments here are young, educated (I think) and speaking English. They are not the "old guard" of post-commie retirees. I am surprised also that there is no opposing voice, nobody with common sense telling these guys that it is not OK to be a xenophobic racist.

My hope is that when the new generation of migrant workers will return home the attitude on race will change, just like it did a few years ago toward gays. Maybe then it will not be socially acceptable to be racist, chauvinistic, or anti-Semitic.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
26 Dec 2007 #52
I respect Polish people and am grateful that I received gainful employment in this country. What I would say is that, not in criticism, Polish employers need to keep working on the relationship between graduates and the workplace. Way back in 1998, I did a placement that helped me to get work experience and develop different skills. The course I did for 4 years has been changed a little and now has the added option of taking up a place in an exchange course such as Socrates or Erasmus. I did a postgraduate course to enhance my knowledge base and job prospects but that isn't always enough. I've grown to learn that education is fundamentally different from training and that a growing awareness of the job market is critical. Poles, almost unquestionably, receive a formidable education but that doesn't always translate into a meaningful job position. Like us in Scotland, many graduated at the wrong time and too many people were searching for too few jobs. Hence the influx of Poles to the UK. It's not an inferiority complex in its fullest form, it's necessity. Let's not forget that 'necessity is the mother of invention'
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
26 Dec 2007 #53
I think I get it now.

Honestly I don't. Why some guy from America pretend to be Polish and try to spread defetism, things like "We" suck, "We" have a problem. You don't even know basic words in Polish, so mind your business pal. And If Poles are so racist, so let It be, still better than western societies where fagism is seen as the highest level of human developement and 10 years old kids have "sex education" at school. Now call me anti-semitic and xenophobic, that always make me feel better.
lesser 4 | 1,311
26 Dec 2007 #54
Is it some kind of an inferiority complex? I know the answer, because we all are suffering from the same disease - yes, it is an inferiority complex.

Do you feel better when you impute to all of us your own problem? According to popular opinion that together/united we will survive. Students in school when they fail to pass some exam usually feel better if most of their colleagues failed as well. They think that if so many failed then maybe "we are not that bad".
Seanus 15 | 19,706
26 Dec 2007 #55
Don't confuse an inferiority complex with one of transition. The Polish nation is in a state of flux, not only with the change of govt, but also with the recognition of qualifications abroad. Many years ago, the EU was seeking to harmonise/streamline this process but it gets obfuscated somewhat in reality. The waters got muddied in other words. Poles are proud and sometimes overly so but maybe that's a defensive posture that serves to drive them forward. Americans cannot exactly be too proud now either. As 'lesser' said tacitly/implicitly, u need benchmarks or yardsticks by which to gauge urselves. What is success and self-actualisation after all? The point is that u have to know what u want. If u don't know what u want, u'll never get it. As the great US comedian Bill Hicks once said, "u gotta use ur options folks". If America is the leader, then know what ur goal is and pursue it without any complex by using ur options
lesser 4 | 1,311
26 Dec 2007 #56
Don't confuse an inferiority complex with one of transition.

If I understand your point well, I think that sometimes both problems may exist alongside.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
26 Dec 2007 #57
Of course, they can mutually co-exist but I was merely trying to differentiate them. It just depends who u ask, some Poles will tell u that all is well and that they are on an even footing with their neighbours on a range of issues whereas others may feel that Poland has some catching up to do. Statistically, Poland has been one of the fastest growing, if not the fastest growing economy in recent years amongst the new HCP's/accedents to the EU Treaty. The German economy was in a slump for quite a while and lost some credibility. The Poles must simply realise their potential
OP Dice 15 | 452
27 Dec 2007 #58
Do you feel better when you impute to all of us your own problem?

It's not I who writes all those racist posts here. I am the one who points out the problem of intolerance, racism and anti-Semitism that exist in the Polish Nation. What really kills me is the fact that all this xenophobic hatred comes from a nation of nomadic migrant workers, which depends on tolerance and goodwill of other nations like GB, Irland, France, etc to host them and provide them with jobs and social services.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
27 Dec 2007 #59
Quite frankly, the biggest problem in Poland is the salaries that the 'przycińôtny Polak' receives. From talking with my Polish friends, they are confident in their abilities to pass their respective examinations but they have it hard. They slave away at Uni and receive very little by way of financial reward from their jobs. They must have great intrinsic motivation or act out of necessity in order to move forward in life. Sad but true!!
Krazy Kaju 2 | 35
27 Dec 2007 #60
Nobody ever said that Poland is the center of the universe...

Poles usually react nationalistically when attacked... for example, Jews and Germans trying to force their way on Polish land.

Why should they have a right to our ancestral land? If we keep out of Germany and Israel, why do they force themselves on us?


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