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pawian 150 | 7,954    
2 Jul 2013  #1
For a few days, Poles have been discussing certain newspaper article in which a journalist brought back a horrible crime from 1981.

A 26 year old woman, a teacher, beat her 6-year-old stepson to death using a heavy leather belt with a big metal buckle. The session of appaling brutality lasted for a few hours, blood soaked the kid`s clothes but father didn`t react to his son`s cries for help as he was totally dominated by the woman. The boy died, the doctor who tried to save him said she had never seen such an act of sadism before. The paramedic who assisted the doctor in rescuing the boy`s life fainted after seeing the wounds.

The murderer was sentenced to 15 years but got released after 10. The father got 5.

According to Polish law, 10 years after doing the sentence, your criminal record is cleaned.

She joined the convent and spent there a few years. When she left, she commenced studies and got a diploma in teology.

Today, the woman is 58. After the publication of the article, she decided to quit her present job, namely a teacher of physics/religious studies in one of Warsaw`s secondary schools. She was also dismissed from the position of an expert licensed by Ministry of Education to assess other teachers` careers.

Many people have spoken on the case, including Prime Minister Tusk. Most declared that a child murderer shouldn`t be allowed to work with children anymore.

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Mariusz Goldfinch, who described the case teacher Eva T. ( name changed) in the article Beautiful and Obedient in Gazeta Wyborcza , unleashed a storm. Recall , Eva T. , a teacher from Warsaw, in 1982, brutally beat her 6 -year-old stepson military belt with iron buckle , because the lost shoelace . As a result of the injuries the boy died . The doctor who examined the child had stated that he never met with such sadism . Ewa T. was sentenced to 15 years ' imprisonment. Kara took place . After 10 years out of the prison was blurred conviction and the woman returned to the profession of teacher. It was even an expert MEN . Until recently, she taught physics in one of the clusters of schools in Warsaw. The headmaster knew nothing about the past employed teacher.

I have multiple dilemmas on this issue. Sort of, I don`t know what to think about it.

E.g.,

Was the journalist right to write about a 32- year- old case? Knowing she will be easily identified?

Didn`t the woman have the right to remain anonymous and work as a teacher? She served her term, according to Polish law she is clean .

but

Was she right to continue her career as a teacher after murdering a kid?
smurf 39 | 1,983    
2 Jul 2013  #2
Didn`t the woman have the right to remain anonymous

Yes.

work as a teacher

No way, Jose.
Ant63 11 | 403    
2 Jul 2013  #3
Yes

Maybe, but should she have been released into the community at all. Would you trust a psychologist that says she is better? Would you release Ian Brady because he found god?

IMO this is a heinous crime and for any comparative crime against a child there should be no release from prison what so ever. The world doesn't need people like that.
smurf 39 | 1,983    
2 Jul 2013  #4
rime against a child there should be no release from prison what so ever

While I do agree that doesn't really matter here, she was released so the option of keeping her in jail is not valid.

I do also believe though that once a prison term is up a person has served their time and should be allowed to re-enter society. However, she should never have been allowed into teaching or any job connected with kids.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,170    
2 Jul 2013  #5
For a crime like this, she should have been executed or at least get a life in prison and a fact that she was allowed to be a teacher again is yet one more example how messed up III RP is.
newpip - | 140    
2 Jul 2013  #6
executed? we don't want American laws over here. keep them in the mess that is the u.s.a.

no way should she have been teaching children. she did her time according to law and that is why she was released but working with children....no bloody way.
Ant63 11 | 403    
2 Jul 2013  #7
I do also believe though that once a prison term is up a person has served their time and should be allowed to re-enter society

Its too liberal an attitude. Clearly a person that commits such an act is not a full shilling. How can anyone know they have been fixed while inside? Too many times people have been released in the for perverse and violent crime only to offend again. Certain crimes should carry an indefinite penalty. I agree with your statement for pettier offences.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,634    
2 Jul 2013  #8
no way should she have been teaching children. she did her time according to law and that is why she was released but working with children....no bloody way.

That's a direct consequence of the relaxed attitude in Poland towards investigating who works with children.
Harry    
2 Jul 2013  #9
Since when did they bother investigating? Especially when the person in question is a priest or a nun.
OP pawian 150 | 7,954    
3 Jul 2013  #10
However, she should never have been allowed into teaching or any job connected with kids.

That was the thought of the journalist who wrote that article reminder. He even admitted in an interview he had given her some time to quit her job before the publication.

For a crime like this, she should have been executed or at least get a life in prison and a fact that she was allowed to be a teacher again is yet one more example how messed up III RP is.

Come on, I clearly wrote it happened in 1981/2. The sentence was given by a communist court. And they weren`t too lenient in those times as most crimes were judged according to old Stalinist code of law from 1950s.

Its too liberal an attitude. Clearly a person that commits such an act is not a full shilling. How can anyone know they have been fixed while inside? Too many times people have been released in the for perverse and violent crime only to offend again.

Yes, then they should be grounded for good. Three strikes etc.

Certain crimes should carry an indefinite penalty. I agree with your statement for pettier offences.

The woman has never comitted any crime in her life except that one.

That's a direct consequence of the relaxed attitude in Poland towards investigating who works with children.

Since when did they bother investigating? Especially when the person in question is a priest or a nun.

Yes, that is what I miss here. Teachers should undergo psychological tests. I know about 2 (out of 30) in my school who should be fired immediately due to certain mental disorders.
texas 1 | 21    
10 Aug 2013  #11
There was a similar article in the US about a guy who murdered his parents and sister when he was 15. He pled insanity and spent 6 years in a mental institution. He changed his name after getting out and went on get master's and Ph.D. degrees and is now a professor of psychology at Millikin Universty in Illinois. He's 61 now.

usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/02/19840090-boy-who-killed-family-turns-up-46-years-later-as-college-professor?lite

no way should she have been teaching children. she did her time according to law and that is why she was released but working with children....no bloody way.

I agree. There is a reason why pedophiles and sexual offenders have to register as such and let their neighborhood know, as well as stay away a certain distance from children - even after they've served their time!

Children are a nation's most precious resource, and we can't play play fast and loose with laws regarding them just so some former criminal doesn't get his or her feelings hurt.


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