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Have many Poles had enough of one another?


plgrl
18 Aug 2011 #121
Is it really hard to comment on the thread rather than pointing an accusatory finger at me?

Easiest way is just to ignore them to not heat the fire more.
Ask just questions what would you like to know more in this subject, because I think everything was already told and nothing knew can be added (unless you're intrested in an argument what does it mean to be poor/rich and in which country it's harder to make one's ends).
OP Seanus 15 | 19,706
18 Aug 2011 #122
How about in administrative offices? How do you feel as a Pole going in there? The reception is mixed but Poles often dread having to wait in queues for papers.
plgrl
18 Aug 2011 #123
How about in administrative offices?

I never understood the myth of being a petent, because in most cases the addministrative officers I met were polite to me.
The rudest people I've met were in railway/bus stations (the women who sell tickets), whenever I go, they are always in bad mood and answer in rude tone.
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
18 Aug 2011 #124
The rudest people I've met were in railway/bus stations (the women who sell tickets), whenever I go, they are always in bad mood and answer in rude tone.

Ahh,thats universal,grumpy buggers world wide,maybe it has something to do with being sat in a fishtank all day watching people setting off on exciting trips?

(coz lets face it,after a few hours in the office a trip to the loo's is a bit of an adventure :) )
f stop 25 | 2,513
18 Aug 2011 #125
I didn't read the thread aside from the title, but didn't somebody just bite one of those?
Blaireau69 - | 4
18 Aug 2011 #126
Afternoon folks,
Just thought I'd drop my coin down the well...
I've noticed quite an increase in tension in the Polish community here in Carlisle over the last few years.
Specifically between the honest, hard-working folk and the increasing number of benefit tourists who have moved from areas of high unemployment/poor prospects in Poland for an easier life on benefits here in the UK. These benefit tourists rarely speak any/much English and can often be seen with a can of Lech in hand at 9am.

Well, that should put the cat amongst the pigeons...
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384
18 Aug 2011 #127
Well, that should put the cat amongst the pigeons...

not really. we've heard it all before.
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
18 Aug 2011 #128
and can often be seen with a can of Lech in hand at 9am.

these slackers have been here since 04,but you dont see the vast majority of Poles because they are at work by 9 am.
It is funny playing guess the nationality of the shaven headed rat faced sports clothing wearing slacker hanging on the corners of one area of Doncaster I have to pass through .......It takes a close look to see whether its Lech or Special brew,sometimes the shady Poles try and hide their nationality with a sneaky can of stella or Special brew themselves but the distinctive aroma of LMs is the giveaway........................
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
18 Aug 2011 #129
I never understood the myth of being a petent, because in most cases the addministrative officers I met were polite to me.

Yep, usually the case. About the only exception seems to be the dragons working in the driving licence office.

Specifically between the honest, hard-working folk and the increasing number of benefit tourists who have moved from areas of high unemployment/poor prospects in Poland for an easier life on benefits here in the UK. These benefit tourists rarely speak any/much English and can often be seen with a can of Lech in hand at 9am.

Nice try, but benefits aren't available for them straight away - they need to wait 12 months.
BBman - | 344
19 Aug 2011 #130
Interesting topic. I lived and worked in Poland for a few years and could never get used to the negative energy. I'm not surprised though. Most Poles have poor paying jobs and are just getting by in life with very basic things. They know life is better elsewhere and this only adds to their misery.

Jealousy is another thing I noticed in Poland. Many people are jealous and when someone has something that their neighbour/whoever doesn't have they tend to point it out in such a manner that creates jealousy.

Oh well you can find something strange in every country. Ie. Asians don't show emotions
rybnik 18 | 1,461
19 Aug 2011 #131
Asians don't show emotions

Not all Asians eg Filipinos show plenty of emotion................After reading all the posts on this thread I began thinking of how the Poles behaved vis' a vis each other and me during my time back in the PRL-days. The people, who worked in the states stores were simply "absent" or apathetic at best. They were rarely rude. The folks selling stuff in the open-air markets, on the othe hand, were usually livelier; more animated. I was very impressed by their dignity and civility toward each other during the harder martial law, nothing-in-the-store period.
f stop 25 | 2,513
19 Aug 2011 #132
for my mother, the proverbial last drop was berating she got from the sales lady, trying to buy some socks, of all things. We were visiting in Warsaw, and my mother dared to try to get the b!tches attention. It brought my mother right back to the supplicant mode she's all but forgotten since she immigrated to US. She said she'll never go back to Poland, and she kept her word.
wielki pan 2 | 250
19 Aug 2011 #133
Is it really hard to comment on the thread rather than pointing an accusatory finger at me?
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Well when you make unfounded silly comments expect this sort of feedback.

[quote=delphiandomine]I suppose you're just another one of those EU passport hunters who only discovered your Polish roots in 2004

Lol, another unfounded and silly comment, time to look into the mirror and take a hard look at yourself..What are you doing in Poland might I ask???? Life if Poland is obviously good, unlike for Mr Seanus!
Chicago Pollock 7 | 504
19 Aug 2011 #134
Poles are surly by nature and don't do well in service type jobs (salary or lack thereof has nothing to do with it). They're best at production type jobs, put your head down and work, they are very hard working. Task driven.
Blaireau69 - | 4
19 Aug 2011 #135
Nice try, but benefits aren't available for them straight away - they need to wait 12 months.

I'm perfectly aware of the qualifying periods of the UK benefits system and don't think I suggested that any of these individuals had only just arrived.

Are you suggesting that this doesn't happen?
What do you mean by "nice try"?

not really. we've heard it all before.

Sorry, I think you missed what I was trying to do there.
I was referring to my choice of subject matter for my first posting.
There's nothing quite like throwing yourself in at the deep end...
OP Seanus 15 | 19,706
20 Aug 2011 #136
You tend not so see this on nights out but it's very much a daytime thing.
wielki pan 2 | 250
20 Aug 2011 #137
Its high time people on this forum who make unfounded allegations be told to show or shut up... this thread should be closed as it is agenda based... thank you.
Blaireau69 - | 4
20 Aug 2011 #138
I presume that's aimed at me?
Well, certainly I can offer no photographic evidence but assure you this is not baseless.
Here in Carlisle, UK there's a sizeable Polish community (has been since WWII and it's grown massively in the last 10 years).
My wife is part of that community, as are most of her friends and colleagues (after all, somebody's got to do the work).
Just to give you an idea, our daughter (bilingual, obviously) will be starting school in september and in her class of 27 there will be 9 Polish kids.

The benefit tourists I'm talking about are not the parents of any of these kids (although I hope that those parents are claiming whatever working/family tax credits they are entitled to).

The scroungers are easily identified, I see them around pretty much every day, I have spoken to a fair few of them (so I can assure you that the ones I'm talking about ARE Polish), I could point them out to you if you were here but what I can't/won't do is take pictures of them and post them on the internet.

Perhaps you are labouring under the false impression that my earlier comments were fueled by racist motives but I can assure you that is not the case. I guess what gets my goat is lazy scrounging tw*ts taking the **** like this. Doesn't matter where they come from, it just so happens that my comment related to Polish nationals because that's what the thread is about.

I've talked to quite a number of my wife's friends and colleagues about this (and many other subjects) and what is apparent is that hard working people tend to find scroungers and lazy benefit seekers intolerable THE WHOLE WORLD OVER.
OP Seanus 15 | 19,706
20 Aug 2011 #139
wp, quit the crap or get off my thread.

Stop pretending that it's utopia here. I talk to many Poles who will tell you otherwise. I had a private lesson from 9-10am today and guess what? She has had enough of quite a few other Poles both at her work and on her home visits. She is a doctor. She told me that she gets inundated with requests by other people in the same block as the patient she is going to see. They see she is a doctor but she is there to see ONE specific patient, not them. She said it was borderline harrassment and she is fed up with them.

She has also had enough of her boss who breaks the rules when it suits him. He is off on holiday again when he is not entitled to and she has all the more work as a result. She paints quite a different picture from you.

Wp, if you want to say sth positive then go to the 'Why I love Poland' or 'Polish friends' thread. Otherwise, take a hike. I have no time for pathetic deniers.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441
20 Aug 2011 #140
She has also had enough of her boss who breaks the rules when it suits him. He is off on holiday again when he is not entitled to and she has all the more work as a result. She paints quite a different picture from you.

sounds similar to my boss. In the past I would pick her work, but now I just do mine, so looks like I will be looking for another job.
OP Seanus 15 | 19,706
20 Aug 2011 #141
Do you work here or in Canada, aphro?
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441
20 Aug 2011 #142
I am in Poland now:) and I am familiar with what you have mentioned. It seems that even younger generation has picked up the bad working habits, often smelling of socialism practices. Nothing professional about it. If they can get away with it they will.

On the other hand I have met many people who are very professional, so......
OP Seanus 15 | 19,706
20 Aug 2011 #143
What do you mean by socialism practices, aphro? Just to be clear. So you as part-Polish and living in Poland accept that some Poles have had enough of one another?
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441
20 Aug 2011 #144
What do you mean by socialism practices

avoiding the responsibility at work, paper pushing, covering their own ass- not thinking to better the company practice among other things. I have a co-worker who behaves as if she still lives in the communist times. Her work does not contribute to anything which would benefit me, actually the opposite - she is a source of stress, yet she does her job well according the the requirements of the company and she knows people, so..........:(. She has that job because she knows people.

So you as part-Polish and living in Poland accept that some Poles have had enough of one another?

Of course:D I hear it every day from Poles, so don't pay attention to the posters who don't live the Polish reality.
OP Seanus 15 | 19,706
20 Aug 2011 #145
Avoiding responsibility? Maybe it's due to a lack of delineation of duties? Any examples of how they cover their own butts?

Yeah, those communistic sods have such long faces. Younger Poles have definitely had enough of them. Why should they have to liaise with such dour cretins?
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384
20 Aug 2011 #146
Any examples of how they cover their own butts?

you'll find that out when one of your own family drop u in the brown stuff. not giving a damn can run through families too.
OP Seanus 15 | 19,706
20 Aug 2011 #147
For example, Wrocław? I ask because I seriously can't imagine any of my Polish family doing that to me. Not in a million years! They are educated and civil people but I've heard horror stories of jealousy and grabbing within families. Wishing your oldies dead just to get their money is horrible. I've heard similar stories in Scotland too.

How about Polish couples here? Do you ever feel that you've had enough of your partner and want some space?
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384
20 Aug 2011 #148
but I've heard horror stories of jealousy and grabbing within families.

i've heard more than one might expect.

Wishing your oldies dead just to get their money is horrible.

this goes on too. however, i've never heard a direct comment. one can pick it out in conversation sometimes. if it's not the money, it's the flat that they are after.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
20 Aug 2011 #149
how true, I have even had it spelt out to me, most directly, over a "friendly" drink with one of the out laws...........i nearly choked on my wodka..:) (and watched my back on the way to the loo)
OP Seanus 15 | 19,706
20 Aug 2011 #150
I know of one where an invalid won't give up her part of the house although she has no need for it. She should really pass it onto other family members as she has her own space but she rigidly clings onto it. Tragic!


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