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Have many Poles had enough of one another?


plgrl
15 Aug 2011 #31
So then I ask, why the envy?

I think that people who think that other people are envious are envious themselves.
peter_olsztyn 6 | 1,098
16 Aug 2011 #32
in Poland it is miserable faces even if things are actually not that bad

If you look happy you don't deserve a promotion and there is a little chance that you quit a company soon ;)
f stop 25 | 2,513
16 Aug 2011 #33
If you look happy

If you look happy, they'll think you're feeble-minded. ;)
rybnik 18 | 1,461
16 Aug 2011 #34
Hahaha! At least that's how it was ;)
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
16 Aug 2011 #35
What the hell kind of ***** thread is this? A Scottish-English teacher doesn't think Poles are friendly enough. Are you gonna enlighten Poles regarding value of cheerful customer service Seanus? You are being patronizing. With your attitude you're lucky if Polish shopkeepers don't punch you in the face much less smile at you.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441
16 Aug 2011 #36
Being seriouse, there is much tolerance for someone's bad mood so the people feel free to announce their bad day to everyone around.

that seems to be the key IMO, but in other countries people smile and stub you in the back very often, so I rather have a bad Pole, who says he/she doesn't like me then a passive - aggressive person.
plgrl
16 Aug 2011 #37
A Scottish-English teacher doesn't think Poles are friendly enough. Are you gonna enlighten Poles regarding value of cheerful customer service Seanus? You are being patronizing.

Oh, calm down. He just wants to chat a bit. Look, most people who post in this thread are Polish and no one took it as an offence, besides you.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
16 Aug 2011 #38
Seanus

That's enough for now as an OP.

Sounds to me as though someone needs a hug(:
OP Seanus 15 | 19,706
16 Aug 2011 #39
DE, many Poles are friendly to me but, then again, you wouldn't know that as you live in America and know jack about life here. Many do seem as if they've had enough of one another and it's just an observation. What does being Scottish have to do with it? Good English teachers often have postgraduate educations like me so what's your game in raising that?

I'm utterly sick and fed up of people like you thinking I judge all Poles when I speak. Some are the best people I have ever met but I write with specific people in mind. If you keep up with your BS about me tarring everyone with the same brush, I will personally see to it that you are suspended for a long time for antagonism and twisting my words.

I'm commenting here, I don't insist on them doing anything. If it's their prerogative to frown then so be it. It's just commentary, DE.

Now, if you have nothing constructive and on-topic to say, kindly get off the thread!
pammycat - | 16
16 Aug 2011 #40
With your attitude you're lucky if Polish shopkeepers don't punch you in the face much less smile at you.

Ya know about polish storekeepers, do ya?
southern 75 | 7,096
16 Aug 2011 #41
Basically in former communist countries the customer is just a mere nuisance for the shopkeeper.The latter is vastly superior to any of his customers and the delivery of goods depends on his good mood and will.So one has first to apologice for disturbing the peace of the shop with his insignificant presence.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
16 Aug 2011 #42
What the hell kind of ***** thread is this? A Scottish-English teacher doesn't think Poles are friendly enough. Are you gonna enlighten Poles regarding value of cheerful customer service Seanus? You are being patronizing. With your attitude you're lucky if Polish shopkeepers don't punch you in the face much less smile at you.

When was the last time you were in Poland, huh?

Ah...that's right - never.

When you actually bother to come here (not that we want you here) - then perhaps, you can share us with your insights into Polish customer service - or lack of. Until then? Get lost.
pip 10 | 1,659
16 Aug 2011 #43
Basically in former communist countries the customer is just a mere nuisance for the shopkeeper.The latter is vastly superior to any of his customers and the delivery of goods depends on his good mood and will.So one has first to apologice for disturbing the peace of the shop with his insignificant presence.

exactly- unless they are taught otherwise- something which is the norm in foreign businesses(except any grocery store)--but not so much here. But, that said, there are a few Polish companies, such as Reserved, CCC, Royal Collection and Ginno Rossi- which are not bad. Almi Decor is also a Polish company but it is a joke--the staff that work there are only concerned with decorating the store- customers are bothersome.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
16 Aug 2011 #44
exactly- unless they are taught otherwise- something which is the norm in foreign businesses(except any grocery store)--but not so much here.

Marks & Spencer have it bang on - I've never had a bad experience there. But from what my spies tell me - they were told quite clearly at the very beginning that the stores have to operate to a UK level of professionalism - which probably explains a lot ;)

Almi Decor is also a Polish company but it is a joke--the staff that work there are only concerned with decorating the store- customers are bothersome.

Alma is another company that's a complete joke - high prices, but utterly poor customer service. Again - go there and enquire about a food product, and you're treated as a pest.

I'm 100% convinced it's to do with bad management and nothing to do with culture.
pip 10 | 1,659
16 Aug 2011 #45
totally agree. I think that many who open businesses think they can hire some knob to sit at the cash all day while they vacay in Spain. Marks and Sparks has always been great, the same with Peek and Cloopenburg and many other foreign businesses.

It will come though. Poland is 20 years behind thanks to communism but it will get there.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
16 Aug 2011 #46
What the hell kind of ***** thread is this? A Scottish-English teacher doesn't think Poles are friendly enough. Are you gonna enlighten Poles regarding value of cheerful customer service Seanus? You are being patronizing. With your attitude you're lucky if Polish shopkeepers don't punch you in the face much less smile at you.

Look I much rather prefer the surliness you get here to the canned pleasantry in N.America but it is surliness whether you know it or not.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
16 Aug 2011 #47
He doesn't know it - he claims to be "Polish-American", yet doesn't speak Polish, has never been here and sympathises with the Communists.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
16 Aug 2011 #48
Shops are the best places to witness silent hostility (a nice paradox).

Seanus your original post, quoted above, compares Polish shopkeepers unfavorably to Scottish ones in Aberdeen and even refers to them as "creeps", and then in post #40 you wrote:

What does being Scottish have to do with it?

Did you forget your original post which cites perky Scottish shopkeepers? Poor Seanus despite your smiles and your "putting out good energy" the Polish shopkeepers still aren't cheerful towards you, like proper shopkeepers like back in Aberdeen, and then to add insult to injury, a poster, on this public forum, has the gall to point out that expecting cheerful servility from shopkeepers, just because you smile at them, is patronizing. Are you going to be alright Seanus? You are a force for good and people should smile at you and not criticize your opinions, and if they do:
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
16 Aug 2011 #49
expecting cheerful servility from shopkeepers

Expecting cheerful servility is exactly what your country, America, expects from shopkeepers.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
16 Aug 2011 #50
This is a lie based on a false stereotype about America. Many shopkeepers here are dour and no one complains. Hey moderator why the hell did you chop up my previous post? Is Seanus above criticism here? You allow Delphiandomine's bizzarre McCarthyite attack on me to remain in the thread why?
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
16 Aug 2011 #51
What? I thought you're Polish, how can you know what's going on in American shops?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
16 Aug 2011 #52
Many shopkeepers here are dour and no one complains.

That's just how it was in Communist Poland - people just accepted it. However, nowadays, the norm is to complain about this rather than just accepting it.

Only Communists are harking back to such days of miserable service.

Hey moderator why the hell did you chop up my previous post? Is Seanus above criticism here?

You know the rules.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
16 Aug 2011 #53
You know the rules.

You are sounding like the authoritarian Communist here, Delphiandomine. Your attempts to find Communist sympathy in a post about American shopkeepers being free to frown is laughable. Do you have any self-respect?
OP Seanus 15 | 19,706
16 Aug 2011 #54
DE, many are cheery towards me. It's about their reaction to other Poles. Look at the thread, man. The creeps were the shoppers and not the shopkeepers. Read more carefully. Many Scottish shopkeepers are perky.

DE, please start reading carefully. You can not find one lie in what I am saying, can you? I'm looking for a balanced perspective in my life here. Many Poles appear to be fed up with one another, I can see it.

If you want to open a thread about conviviality and fun times then I'd contribute positively to that. Then again, when were you last here to pick up stories?
pip 10 | 1,659
16 Aug 2011 #55
what is funny is that my husband has actually called a head office of the company where he had a run in with a b*tchy sales person. He has also taken down a license plate of a total a-hole driver with company car and called his head office and reported him for crazy driving in a residential area.

If nobody is held accountable for their behaviour then nothing is done- however, if you make a phone- typically, people will do something about it.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
16 Aug 2011 #56
If nobody is held accountable for their behaviour then nothing is done- however, if you make a phone- typically, people will do something about it.

Indeed. I got someone fired not so long ago for their behaviour - I was shopping for books, when I got some incredibly nasty service. Unfortunately for the stupid cow working there, I was an contractor of the bookshop (as they also run a school) - and it was reported straight to my boss there.

Et voila.
pip 10 | 1,659
16 Aug 2011 #57
exactly. If you can't be bothered to smile or acknowledge a person then get your ass out of retail.....there is probably a position in the poczta just waiting for you.

I got incredibly nasty service from some cow at the era office. The only reason I didn't call was because she was about 7 months pregnant.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
16 Aug 2011 #58
You can not find one lie in what I am saying, can you?

I didn't say you were lying Seanus. I said that your OP's contrasting your "smiling positive energy" with the negativity of Polish "creeps" is patronizing. The evidence you've given in favor of an affirmative answer to this thread's titular question is that Poles are less than ebulliently cheerful when shopping, but this is superficial evidence which hardly proves that Poles are misanthropic. Perhaps it is your own perkiness that makes the Poles shopping around you sullen because extroverted enthusiasts can have that effect on dignified people.
OP Seanus 15 | 19,706
16 Aug 2011 #59
The creeps in the shops, yes. I'm sorry but they are creepy to me some of them. Some Scots are creepy to. What's your problem with accepting this?

Mods, I've warned him already about blanket classifications like 'Poles'. I'm referring to certain Poles here and I shouldn't have to keep making that point. Some Poles are really happy when shopping, DE, happy now?

I'm far from being an extroverted enthusiast and most see me as dignified, highly so. So please pull the other one.

DE, this is about observation and not trolling. You don't live here so what do you really know? What observations from the streets can you share with us?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
16 Aug 2011 #60
I got incredibly nasty service from some cow at the era office. The only reason I didn't call was because she was about 7 months pregnant.

Even more reason to call if you ask me - all those cushy maternity provisions would be lost if she was fired.

dignified people.

Sorry, but those of us living in Poland know that most of them are the exact opposite of "dignified".

Then again, you've never been here, so how would you know?


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