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Why Poland is "surprised" by winter and snow every year?


Harry
30 Nov 2010 #31
If its going to be a long hard winter you gotta shovel snow at some point.

Not really. My arsehole neighbour shovelled all the snow from round and on top of his car to be behind my car (thus blocking me in) and then sodded of out. While he was gone I paid the local drunk guy 10 zeds to shovel all of it into his parking space and then add all the snow from round and on top of my car. One nil Harry.

Think about it Harry its not an Imprezza. Come on now youre slipping.

It was actually an Impreza (note the single z, which I used) WRX STi.
Wroclaw Boy
30 Nov 2010 #32
It was actually an Impreza (note the single z, which I used) WRX STi.

I thought you were referring to a proper 4x4 off roader hence my query and mistake.

While he was gone I paid the local drunk guy 10 zeds to shovel all of it into his parking space and then add all the snow from round and on top of my car. One nil Harry.

Sounds like a good ol snow ball fight is needed here to sort out bad blood.
convex 20 | 3,978
30 Nov 2010 #33
Sounds like a good ol snow ball fight is needed here to sort out bad blood.

Or a shovel, a pile of snow, and a bucket of water....DIY snow barriers.
Wroclaw Boy
30 Nov 2010 #34
Harry sure does have some snow wars on his hands, yeh poor a bucket of cold water all over his car, then another and another. Ice that mutha fookers car.
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
30 Nov 2010 #35
Why Poland is "surprised" by winter and snow every year?

How can it be surprised when i comes on time every year
Ksysia 25 | 430
30 Nov 2010 #36
Why Poland is "surprised" by winter and snow every year?

because apparently we never would have expected it to happen again.
southern 75 | 7,096
30 Nov 2010 #37
Why Poland is "surprised" by winter and snow every year?

I guess they fear their palm trees will not grow.
Maybe 12 | 409
30 Nov 2010 #38
@ Harry, If you really want to screw your neighbour put half a bag of sugar in his petrol tank.
Tip, mix the sugar with water it goes in easier
BritinPoland 6 | 121
30 Nov 2010 #39
I have been unpleasantly surprised that the response to the snow where I am has been less than impressive. The people who look after the flats cleared paths very quickly and then again after more fresh snow. But the transport system seems to have deteriorated somewhat just like it does in England - although of course not total cancellations as you get in Britain.

Also the airport seemed to have coped well and most of the flights got away on time here.

However, having observed the late buses and slow moving traffic on iced roads, I am left a bit puzzled as to why snow catches Poland out at all.

Another thing, I don't know what this winter tyres changing is all about. In the UK we don't, do we? I can't remember doing that.

I can remember one winter driving on the M27 in the middle of the night and the snow was so bad the wipers stopped moving, and I had to pull in at Rownham's Roadchef to de-ice them. By the time I managed to stop I could not see a thing out of the windscreen and drove by sticking my head out of the window off the motorway to the slip road. I have to say, I really hate driving in snow and am really pleased I forgot to bring my licence here to Poland.
Wroclaw Boy
30 Nov 2010 #40
The people who look after the flats cleared paths very quickly and then again after more fresh snow.

out here we clear our own paths, i know Rownhams!


  • path for wood
poland_
30 Nov 2010 #41
However, having observed the late buses and slow moving traffic on iced roads, I am left a bit puzzled as to why snow catches Poland out at all.

Quite a simple answer, summer tyres in winter conditions. Most of the accidents and hold ups are by the morons that are too cheap to change their tyres or buy winter ones. This evening I saw a classic accident, a bus stopped and a car went straight in the back of it, because he had summer tyres. "Cheap is not cheap"
Maybe 12 | 409
30 Nov 2010 #42
a bus stopped and a car went straight in the back of it, because he had summer tyres.

hahahahahahahahahahaha
Wroclaw Boy
30 Nov 2010 #43
morons that are too cheap to change their tyres or buy winter ones.

many of those morons cant afford winter tyres though, its easier said than done mate dont give it the high and mighty just cos you have disposable cash. Winter tyres for 1200 PLN or food on the fcuking table for four months, know what i mean?

Arrogant as fcuk....

warszawski:
a bus stopped and a car went straight in the back of it, because he had summer tyres.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

Come on thats not funny at all. WTF
BritinPoland 6 | 121
30 Nov 2010 #44
out here we clear our own paths, i know Rownhams!

I've not been there in 15 years, but I can tell you the old Welcome Break at Fleet (M3) used to make the best cup of tea anywhere, I couldn't make a cup as good as that myself at home!

Quite a simple answer, summer tyres in winter conditions. Most
of the accidents and hold ups are by the morons that are too cheap to change their tyres or buy winter ones. This evening I saw a classic accident, a bus stopped and a car went straight in the back of it, because he had summer tyres. "Cheap is not cheap

Winter tyres have a tread that copes better with snow I assume, so why aren't they pushed harder in England? We do get snow there, and I was iced in last Jan after they ran out of salt. Several weeks we had terrible snow, my neighbour had to dig me out when the car lost traction on the ice outside my own front door.

Talking of cheap tyres, I saw a report on UK television say that in the UK the cheap tyres do not stop anything like as well in the wet, even if superficially the tread pattern looks the same. It all has to do with the grade of rubber used. So, a budget tyre is probably not worth it at all.

tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Autocar-Tyre-Test-Budget-Tyre-Performance.htm
Maybe 12 | 409
30 Nov 2010 #45
So when some 'moron' with summer tyres ploughs into your car, you are going to say, " It is alright mate, don't worry about writing off my car and breaking my leg, I know you cannot afford summer tyres.' Just wondering?
Wroclaw Boy
30 Nov 2010 #46
Winter tyres have a tread that copes better with snow I assume, so why aren't they pushed harder in England? We do get snow there, and I was iced in last Jan after they ran out of salt. Several weeks we had terrible snow, my neighbour had to dig me out when the car lost traction on the ice outside my own front door.

Winter tyres are a softer rubber compound with more grooves thats it. You can spot them easily, i commented here years ago that they didnt make much difference but that was in my old Audi 4x4 Quattro i totally retract that statement without them you slip and slide all over the show in these conditions.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
30 Nov 2010 #47
But the transport system seems to have deteriorated somewhat just like it does in England

Nothing wrong with the public transport in Poznan - buses and trams are running as normal, despite tempatures of -14c just now.
Wroclaw Boy
30 Nov 2010 #48
So when some 'moron' with summer tyres ploughs into your car, you are going to say, " It is alright mate, don't worry about writing off my car and breaking my leg, I know you cannot afford summer tyres.' Just wondering?

"I dont wanna hear about no mutha fcuking iffs" Pulp Fiction.

I dont support it just dont think its funny. Polish people are poor for the most part, i feel for them....
Maybe 12 | 409
30 Nov 2010 #49
Polish people are poor for the most part, i feel for them....

Your empathy is touching. But it is a dog eat dog world. Sink or swim. Or slide and crash in this case.
BritinPoland 6 | 121
30 Nov 2010 #50
Winter tyres are a softer rubber compound with more grooves thats it. You can spot them easily, i commented here years ago that they didnt make much difference but that was in my old Audi 4x4 Quattro i totally retract that statement without them you slip and slide all over the show in these conditions.

I'll bear that in mind, thanks.

There is a well-known brand of tyre that I would never use, caused me all sorts of problems getting the wheels balanced to avoid judder at 60mph, had to go to 6 or 7 garages until the problem was successfully reduced to tolerable. Next set of tyres I'm buying Continentals or perhaps Bridgestones or Avons, and no I am not awash with cash at all either but I really think budget unknown make tyres are highly inadvisable and a very false economy.

Nothing wrong with the public transport in Poznan - buses and trams are running as normal, despite tempatures of -14c just now.

Restored my faith a bit! :o)

Meanwhile, in Blighty:
news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/UK-Weather-Snow-Engulfs-Britain-As-Bitter-Winds-Bring-Sub-Zero-Conditions/Article/201011415841708?lpos=UK_News_Right_Promo_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15841708_UK_Weather%3A_Snow_Engulfs_Britain_As_Bitter_Winds_Bring_S ub-Zero_Conditions
poland_
30 Nov 2010 #51
many of those morons cant afford winter tyres though, its easier said than done mate dont give it the high and mighty just cos you have disposable cash. Winter tyres for 1200 PLN or food on the fcuking table for four months, know what i mean?

Arrogant as fcuk....

Your off again, the golden rule is when it drops below 7 for one week, you put on your winter tyres, in the conditions you have today, you should not drive without winter tryes, unless it is absolute emergency. Not arrogant, just common sense. I will riterate, anyone that is driving round in the conditions we have today in Warsaw, without winter tyres is a complete selfish moron, the sooner the Police impose fines the better.
Wroclaw Boy
30 Nov 2010 #52
Your off again, the golden rule is when it drops below 7 for one week,

Maybe i thought your statemnet was a tad arrogant, i agree damn it.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
30 Nov 2010 #53
the sooner the Police impose fines the better.

In Poland, as far as I know - they're not compulsory. The law is only that if you're involved in an accident, then the lack of winter tyres will be taken into consideration. Probably the most sensible compromise - for there's no guarantee that it will actually snow enough every winter.
poland_
30 Nov 2010 #54
WB, I feel for poor polish people too, and I wish I could help so many of them, they are brilliant people. Never the less I would prefer to see them take the bus, than drive and put themselves and others in danger.

no guarantee that it will actually snow enough every winter.

I have never known a winter, I did not have to change my tyres. It may be different in the countryside, if someone gets stuck they are not really blocking anyone, it a city you can have a gridlock in about 15 mins, if you two or three accidents on the main thorough ways.
Maybe 12 | 409
30 Nov 2010 #55
they are brilliant people

woah, don't get carried away....

they are alright, like most people...
Bolle 1 | 147
30 Nov 2010 #56
Why Poland is "surprised" by winter and snow every year?

Laziness, cheapness, and disorganization.

I've lived in both the n. US and canada and i've never seen such problems with clearing the roads as in poland. If they put the plows to work in full force over night (like a normal winter country would), there would be very little chaos in the morning.

Traffic heading into some cities was blocked from entering some cities to allow for people to get to work / kids to school. WTF?!??!
Maybe 12 | 409
30 Nov 2010 #57
there would be very little chaos in the morning.

But then you wouldn't be in Poland :)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
30 Nov 2010 #58
I've lived in both the n. US and canada and i've never seen such problems with clearing the roads as in poland.

Yes, because you can compare a poor European country with two of the richest countries in the world on any meaningful level.

If they put the plows to work in full force over night (like a normal winter country would), there would be very little chaos in the morning.

Really? Why do other European countries have just as much problems? Germany suffered badly last winter, for instance.

Ah, I forget, any excuse to criticise Poland. Certainly the sign of the expat that's stuck in Poland.
poland_
30 Nov 2010 #59
they are alright, like most people...

I have met some of the wonderful people in PL over the years, many of them have been outside the city. My wife's 89 year old grandmother, who lived 50 Klm away from Waraw. She would not come and live in Warsaw with the family or go into an old peoples home. She wanted to stay and die in her home. She would walk 2 Klm's to the market, once a week at the age of 80 +, whenever we visited her she would cook clean and do everything for the kids, because she was of a different generation. There are many people like this in PL and I am humbled when I hear many of their stories, so brilliant, maybe I should up it a notch to amazing.
Wroclaw Boy
30 Nov 2010 #60
if someone gets stuck they are not really blocking anyone, it a city you can have a gridlock in about 15 mins, if you two or three accidents on the main thorough ways.

Some day it may be you as the *******, broken down for what ever reason, every other dude giving you the horn assuming you dont have winter tyres. I get frustrated at such drivers just need to chill the hell out some times.


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