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jon357 67 | 16,830
16 May 2016 #31
a female worker who threw chemicals in his face

Look like she'll be going down for that.

yea..there are reports that those lads were drunk and were smashing this place

It's a pub, they should be able to deal with people who drink.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,845
16 May 2016 #32
it seems its no so safe for British lads craping on toilets floor in Krakows restaurants.:

gregy I have read the article, and it is insane. Even if someone did make a mess in the loo, responding by flinging industrial cleaner in their faces and at their company, is hardly a rational response is it? Quite seriously loony in fact.

Classic victim blaming.
Ironside 50 | 11,260
16 May 2016 #33
Look like she'll be going down for that.

She'll take the blame for all the circumstances that that joint's owner and management as well as the city's policy are to blame.. Where is the owner of that place?

He/she should support financially his/her employee rather than to throw her under the bus.
It would serve him right if that shytting dude who got hurt sue him, and then that bleach throwing idiot should sue owner as well for putting her into this mess without a proper support.

Classic victim blaming.

hmm a bunch of drunk idiots hooting and shyting around could have that effect on some mentally unbalanced woman that would push her over the edge. More so, if it was up to her to clean all that mess - probably not the first time.

By the way saying that said dude lied about circumstances of that incident is hardly victim blaming.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,845
16 May 2016 #34
bleach throwing idiot should sue owner as well for putting her into this mess without a proper support.

I doubt the owner said to her 'go and throw bleach over those British drunks; on the other hand, he/she could have encouraged her to do what she liked due to their general contempt for such people. Only she knows.

Iron - if you are mentally unbalanced the worst place to be working is in a city - centre bar!

I think gregy's last post was victim-blaming, until the last sentence!

I see the boys were Welsh - rugby types on tour....hmm yes they could have been annoying
jon357 67 | 16,830
16 May 2016 #35
I doubt the owner said to her 'go and throw bleach over those British

Quite. What sort of person would do that? It sounds an appalling bar.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
16 May 2016 #36
it seems its no so safe for British lads craping on toilets floor in Krakows restaurants.:

If he really crapped the floor, then thumbs up for the lady.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,845
16 May 2016 #37
even if he did.....if you think that what this 'lady' did was reasonable, then you must be as loony as she is.
I think she probably needs to go to a mental hospital not a prison, she is obviously not well.

If you cant take the heat (of selling cheap booze to thirsty punters) then hey, get a different job.

I bet she will be all like 'It's not my fault!'
jon357 67 | 16,830
16 May 2016 #38
The point is, Greggs, that he didn't - in fact he'd left the bar due to his complaints about the state of the toilets being ignored (a pretty basic expectation that the toilets be kept clean by the bar) and even if he had, she should still be punished.for throwing bleach in someone's face.

And I bet she (being Polish) will insist loudly and histrionically that she was absolutely in the right, chasing a customer into the street, throwing bleach into his face and then trying to abscond from the police....

Looks like she'll be paying the damages to the end of her life too.
Ironside 50 | 11,260
16 May 2016 #39
I doubt the owner said to her 'go and throw bleach over those British drunks;

He might have told her if she complained to sort it out herself. Anyhow, I have learned a long time ago not to annoy women with a bleach or other kitchen related implements.

She will answer for her crime and that is right and proper but we here on PF can agree after condemning her action that she was provoked to some extent.

if you are mentally unbalanced the worst place to be working is in a city - centre bar!

That would be that owner responsibility to make sure that there is no unbalanced people working there. Let face it what person in her right mind would like to work in this kind of joint?

I think gregy's last post was victim-blaming, until the last sentence!

I don't know his mind. Seems to me that he was only pointing out that victim brother was paining a very rosy picture of himself and their company. He wasn't an innocent lamb that is my point. Nor do I condone throwing bleach or anything at people.

Here is victim blaming roz :

If he really crapped the floor, then thumbs up for the lady.

Spot the difference :)

chasing a customer into the street, throwing bleach into his face and then trying to abscond from the police....

Hmm ....about that chasing into the street - that is an unconfirmed rumor the same goes for absconding from the police.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,845
16 May 2016 #40
Anyhow, I have learned a long time ago not to annoy women with a bleach or other kitchen related implements.

LOL...:)
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
17 May 2016 #41
The point is, Greggs, that he didn't

Because you were there hiding in the crapped closet ?

even if he did.....if you think that what this 'lady' did was reasonable

I'm not saying that was reasonable but I can understand that cleaning someone's crap off the floor is not a cool thing to do... I would likely lose my nerves too... weather these guys did that or not is unknown... but let's be honest, it didn't come out of nowhere... quite a few British do such thing and thinks it's somehow "cool", well it isn't... perhaps they just became victims of stereotypes... I understand not all British people crap the floor but some do...
jon357 67 | 16,830
17 May 2016 #42
ecause you were there hiding in the crapped closet ?

One day you'll make sense. That day has not yet come.

And yes, it looks like a pretty crap bar; after all, it's not every day (or everywhere) that the staff throw corrosive liquids in a customer's face. The cells await her.
Wulkan - | 3,243
17 May 2016 #43
The cells await her.

I highly doubt it
Chemikiem
17 May 2016 #44
Anyway if you read what his brother say in the paper closely - it must be said that his version sound illogical

Are you referring to the comments " I will never drink again or go into a bar again?"
I would say that those comments, if those are the ones you mean, are too ambiguous to make a judgement on.
Gregy also commented and said "why would he say that if he didn't do anything wrong?"
He may have said what he did because had he not been drinking and in a bar in Kraków, he never would have been attacked in the first place, and those comments made were simply a reaction to the appalling situation he now finds himself in.

Without more context it's impossible to say.
Either way, the girl who flung industrial cleaner in his face is clearly certifiable.
Wouldn't mind reading the Polish report on it though.

Look like she'll be going down for that.

One would hope so, or at least given psychiatric help, hardly the actions of someone mentally stable. It will be interesting to read the outcome of the case.
Ironside 50 | 11,260
17 May 2016 #45
Are you referring to the comments " I will never drink again or go into a bar again?"

No, I'm referring to the sequence of events as related by the victim's brother.
jon357 67 | 16,830
17 May 2016 #46
I highly doubt it

You 'highly doubt' that someone who threw corrosive liquid in someone's face will go unpunished. Interesting. The legal code allows for long sentences. In this case there is no sort of mitigation unless she claims insanity.

One would hope so, or at least given psychiatric help, hardly the actions of someone mentally stable

Indeed. This is another possibility.

The compensation if he sues her in a UK court will be massive, certainly in 6 figures in £.
Wulkan - | 3,243
17 May 2016 #47
UK court

Funny how you don't understand that she has nothing to do with the UK court.
jon357 67 | 16,830
17 May 2016 #48
Even funnier that you don't understand that he can sue in either jurisdiction for personal injury compensation.
porky pok 2 | 127
18 May 2016 #49
he can sue in either jurisdiction for personal injury compensation.

Maybe he can...but what will he get?? a piece of paper of judgement?and lawyer bills not to mention his wasted time knowing them brits here they will do that and owe money to lawyers who might take there assets away.
jon357 67 | 16,830
18 May 2016 #50
Hard to know quite what you mean there however you should remember that within the EU debt collection is very easy and a legally enforceable debt can follow you for life in a jurisdiction that doesn't have the English concept of personal bankruptcy. In Poland where debts can be inherited the situation for her is especially bleak.
porky pok 2 | 127
18 May 2016 #51
LOL what debt when she working as a waitress might have nothing,they will not put her in prison for a civil suit settlement debt.If he gets a settlement even for 100k how will he collect if she has no means to pay.Also I wouldnt know how long is the judgement in EU good for to collect and how will he monitor her if she ever in life has money (lottery,inheritance etc)Also if she does I am sure she will play smart to hide it which is very easy.Garnishing wages will not work either if it was the means to support herself and family until the stupid brit settles for 25pln a month to collect 100k pounds.
jon357 67 | 16,830
18 May 2016 #52
nothing,they will not put her in prison for a civil suit settlement debt.If he gets a settlement even for 100k how will he collec

Your evident lack of expertise, your ignorance and your reckless abandon as shown in your post above in the field of debt collection perhaps explains certain events in your life however to summarise:

- the woman is accused of throwing a corrosive liquid in a man's face
- she worked in a bar where he and other witnesses were customers
- there is no suggestion of self-defence
- the man is badly injured
- a criminal prosecution is likely to occur in Poland
- this does not affect his right or ability to sue for compensation under English law
- if guilty, the maximum criminal penalty for this offence is severe
- if guilty, the amount of civil compensation is likely to be vast
- a debt to a court in one part of the EU can be enforced in any other part of the EU
- debts in Poland stay with you for life and attachment of earnings is common
- debts can also be inherited
Wulkan - | 3,243
18 May 2016 #53
Even funnier that you don't understand that he can sue in either jurisdiction for personal injury compensation.

No, she is not obliged to go to the UK court (the country she has nothing to do with) just because he decided so.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
18 May 2016 #54
wonder if she could have any problems proving that she didt have intention to cause body harm..it was cleaning detergent,not "acid" as dailyfail claim.am myself surprised that so severe harm was caused by cleaning detergent in spray.
Wulkan - | 3,243
18 May 2016 #55
am myself surprised that so severe harm was caused by cleaning detergent in spray.

Indeed, that's more to the point.
Tictactoe
18 May 2016 #56
I would say very little will happen to her, if anything at all. It was committed on Polish soil, end of. Its up to the Polish legal system to deal with it, and from what I've heard from the legal system in the UK it is, one rule for Poles and another for any foreigner.

Don't goto Poland to celebrate your stag do, simple as that. In fact, don't goto Poland full stop.

Throwing an acid into someones face without actually having proof it was them is a very dangerous and stupid thing to do.
mafketis 29 | 9,511
18 May 2016 #57
wonder if she could have any problems proving that she didt have intention to cause body harm..

She was presumably sober and apparently she did it on purpose and she did it maliciously in order to hurt him. The idea that she didn't mean the damage to be as bad as it was is not much of a defense. What kind of freak thinks it's okay to spray detergent in someone's face?

Has she expressed remorse (not a strength for most Polish people).

She needs to pay for her crime. I would grant that local standards should be used and not inflated UK monetary standards.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
18 May 2016 #58
The idea that she didn't mean the damage to be as bad as it was is not much of a defense. ?

you dont get it..i dont argue,she dint splash his face on purpouse and there is no doubt ,it was malicious.
the key here is wherever she was aware that would cause such horrific damage..which i doubt.
if i throw plastic spoon at you and you lose balance as a result,knock your head on pavement and get skull fractured.i cant be prosecuted for inflicting intentional grievous body harm can i? my intention was not to do such harm.

same here..i doubt,she realized that cleaning detergent can burn someones face to such degree.unless,shes has chemistry degree or she is some local serial detergent face splasher..am surprised myself.i used bleach without gloves and never had any burns..i know face has thinner layers of skin but still.
mafketis 29 | 9,511
18 May 2016 #59
if i throw plastic spoon at you and you lose balance as a result,knock your head on pavement and get skull fractured.i cant be prosecuted for inflicting intentional grievous body harm can i?

I don't know the legal technicalities involved for either Poland, the UK or the EU but her conscious actions led directly to terrible injury and her intentions are iirelevant in a larger ethical framework.

How much of your apparent sympathy for this assailant based on her nationality? If the roles were reversed and an English woman sprayed a Polish man's face and he suffered the same injuries would a "Oooh, I didn't mean it to hurt so much, luv, not my fault, innit?" what consequences should she suffer?
gregy741 4 | 1,204
18 May 2016 #60
English woman sprayed a Polish man's face and he suffered the same injuries would a "Oooh, I didn't mean it to hurt so much, luv, not my fault, innit?" what consequences should she suffer?

dunno..depends on many things...was she provoked? did she intend to inflict grievous body harm.in britain thay are incredibly harsh on poles in courts.

i know personally one guy who was locked in prison for smashing glass cup against wall for 3 months..it was stated in courtroom this glass was worth 1.50 p

while one case where pole was killed by bunch of blacks in neasden..they got 12 months,but released after serving 7 months.
served only 4 months more for killing than this pole for braking glass cup...crazy justice


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