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Is Poland a safe country for people of color?


DariusTraveller 1 | 59
27 Mar 2010 #91
The number of Middle Eastern/African/Eastern European immigrants who move there. That's also one of the reasons extreme far-right fascist parties are blooming all over Western EU right now. These trends don't exist in Poland (yet) and the country's population is still pretty much 100% native.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
27 Mar 2010 #92
The number of Middle Eastern/African/Eastern European immigrants who move there.

Bingo! If they arrived in small numbers, nobody would bat an eyelid. But they arent, western europe is being invaded.

That's also one of the reasons extreme far-right fascist parties are blooming all over Western EU right now.

You mean anti mass immigration parties?

These trends don't exist in Poland (yet) and the country's population is still pretty much 100% native.

Have you ever seen the Polish neo nazis in action?
DariusTraveller 1 | 59
27 Mar 2010 #93
Bingo! If they arrived in small numbers, nobody would bat an eyelid. But they arent, western europe is being invaded.

I understand peoples concern about Immigration from outside Europe which is by no means uncontrolled but still "too much" as bogus asylum seekers do get in too easily but I think people in Western Europe, specifically Britain should shut their beaks about Polish migrant workers as over 1 million UK citizens live in other European countries. When you join the European Union you have to accept that borders are open for all Europeans and not just some. As for immigration from elsewhere that can be solved with tighter control and improvement of legal immigration and less acceptance of asylum seekers, but this is not something a possible far-right leader with former nazi-ties can implement without being biased or straight out dumb.

You mean anti mass immigration parties?

No I mean far-right parties whose members are ex-neonazi/whitepride/communist/add-whatever who are now wearing a suite and playing the game of politics. I know where you're going with this and I'm not going to debate it in this thread as we shouldn't highjack this poor girls topic.

Have you ever seen the Polish neo nazis in action?

No, but they're so small in numbers that they're presence is insignificant to the public unlike in the West, I have a bigger chance of winning the lottery than to run into a NeoNazi in Poland. No need to scare the girl on this one. I'd be much more frightened about going to Russia or East Germany were Nazi's live and breed in the thousands.
OP Przemos gurl 1 | 20
27 Mar 2010 #94
Hello people

So I went to Poland and I am now happily back in the United States. I did not have fun in Poland & will never go back. Being that I am only allowed in Europe for 90's out of a 180 day period, I felt that it was a waste of a trip overseas. Now I have to wait until July to go back to Europe & Im sad that I did not enjoy myself while I was there. Przemek was very upset that I did not like his country, but it was nothing personal at all. I am happy that I did get to see him.

The reason I am reposting is to let anyone who reads this know that i did not feel that people in Poland were racist. I did not feel like it wasnt safe, but I never went to any bars or clubs. Actually when i was in Warsaw at the end of my trip I did go to a few bars & everyone was very kind to me. Men were coming up to me while I was with Przemek lol. He took it pretty well. For all they know he could have started a fight, but they were in such awe that they took the risk. One guy even followed us outside of the bar for awhile, with no jacket on and it was FREEZING cold.

People do stare and its very unsettling. At first i felt uncomfortable even going anywhere at all because i didnt want to be gawked & gaped at. The only people that were not staring were little kids, to them I was just another person. The staring was so bad that Przemek even was uncomfortable. He said he was proud to be with me and get so much attention at first,but then later it started to bother him just as much. When i was walking down the street there were people that would literally stop and point at me with an open mouth. But they weren't doing it because they were racist. People were actually very, very nice. Even still I wont go back, but if you are someone reading this who may want to go & had the same feelings I did before I left, I would just go, but stay out of big clubs and busy bars. Thats what I did and that may be why I didnt have any problems.

Any questions, just ask me and ill be sure to answer promptly :)
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
27 Mar 2010 #95
Przemos gurl: I did not have fun in Poland & will never go back.

Why not?
Wroclaw Boy
27 Mar 2010 #96
Przemos gurl: The staring was so bad that Przemek even was uncomfortable.

They stare like mad in most cases when they see something different, a disabled person for example. Its just plain rude and obviously not a priority for parents to teach that its rude to stare.

I remember my wife talkiing me into a holiday in £eba around 6 years ago, we got there and i was like of all the places we could have visited why here?
OP Przemos gurl 1 | 20
27 Mar 2010 #97
SeanBM and Wroclaw boy:

I like more glamorous & upscale vacation spots. Like Paris, Rome, Fiji etc. Even New York is more up my ally. I could be more specific but I dont want to insult anyone. I knew that Poland was a different country from what im use to traveling to, but I didn't realize how extremely different it would be from the rest of Europe. Like i was TRYING to spend money, but couldn't because nothing was worth buying. It was all just of poor quality. Everything was even the food at grocery stores. I had to go to Germany to buy good food. Przemek told me there was some special story on television there about how companies have to make everything cheap because people wont spend money on more expensive things of high quality. I understand that people there may not have a whole lot of money & that is probably why. So for this reason I dont think its a good spot for tourists. There is nothing romantic or sexy about it. I think if you are into WWII history, then this is THE place to go. Other than that it was just not for me and I thought it was just plain rude the way people were staring & following me around (not the men at the bars, but others... like they would purposely follow me around a store so they were able to gape at me) . For the two reasons listed above I will never go back.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
27 Mar 2010 #98
Przemos gurl: There is nothing romantic or sexy about it.

Where were you?

This is already quit a long thread so I will just ask.

Because I think there are unromantic and unsexy places in every country, it sounds like you went to the wrong places. There are some really great places to see in Poland, unfortunately it seems like you did not get to them. I understand you do not wish to speak ill of anywhere but I am curious.

But this is just my opinion.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
27 Mar 2010 #99
DariusTraveller: No I mean far-right parties whose members are ex-neonazi/whitepride/communist

I stopped reading right there. You obviously dont have a clue what you are talking about.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
27 Mar 2010 #100
RevokeNice: I stopped reading

While you are at it do us all a favour and stop posting, thanks.
OP Przemos gurl 1 | 20
27 Mar 2010 #101
SeanBM:

I was on the border of Germany & Poland in a town called Zgorzelec. Its South Western Poland. However I did not stay in Zgorzelec because it was so grimy. I stayed in Görlitz Germany, which is a very quaint and pretty place to be. But I did go to Poland almost everyday. I was there for a very long time. And as far as the staring goes, Zgorzelec was on a 15 minute walk from Görlitz and there was a huge difference. Nobody stared all in Germany. I was like 'really? big of a difference only 15 minutes away?'

Anyhow it was a long trip from Zgorzelec to Warsaw so I was able to see some other towns on the way. It was all the same. Some places were of course nicer than Zgorzelec (I am not a small town girl, I wont even go into small towns in the US), but it was all the same. Warsaw I didnt care for either.

On a positive note I did get to try some Polish food that I loved. Perogi (?) was my favorite - Russian Perogi. Then I had some pancake things that had like onions or something in it that I loved and that soup with the bits of egg in it? Loved it:) But all the food was better when it was cooked by Przemeks mother.
Wroclaw Boy
27 Mar 2010 #102
Warsaw is horrible from most holidayers perspectives, you should have just done Wroclaw insetad, you cant not enjoy the Rynek there but in December it wouldnt have been the best. Poland really transforms into a different country in the summer. Its not a vacation hot spot but then again niether are many European countries.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
27 Mar 2010 #103
I have no experience of the towns you mention, although there are some towns I happily take the ring road around.

Warsaw I didnt care for either.

I like cities generally but Warsaw would not be my favourite place, it is very possible that I have not been introduced to the hot spots.

I am Irish, I live in between Krakow and Zakopane and I think they are really great places to see.

Also when I was young there were very few people of colour in Ireland and people would also stare. Poland reminds me of the way Ireland used to be.

(be prepared of RN to manipulate my words...)

Edit*

you should have just done Wroclaw insetad,

I think I have to go to Wroclaw this summer.

Poland really transforms into a different country in the summer.

Yes! that is one of the great things about here, it now feels like I live in a different country.
OP Przemos gurl 1 | 20
27 Mar 2010 #104
Wroclaw Boy: Warsaw is horrible from most holidayers perspectives, you should have just done Wroclaw insetad, you cant not enjoy the Rynek there but in December it wouldnt have been the best. Poland really transforms into a different country in the summer. Its not a vacation hot spot but then again niether are many European countries.

I assumed that I may like it more in the summer time. But for now this was my experience.
DariusTraveller 1 | 59
28 Mar 2010 #105
RevokeNice: I stopped reading right there. You obviously dont have a clue what you are talking about.

Oh please why don't you just shoot yourself. I don't care what they call themselves, Lefties, Commies, National Socialists - same sh*it different name. They all have one thing in common: far-right radical dictators. End of discussion.

Przemos gurl: I like more glamorous & upscale vacation spots. Like Paris, Rome, Fiji etc. Even New York is more up my ally

If you were expecting Poland to be like any of these places then it's no wonder that you were disappointed. it's strange that you like New York but disliked Warsaw, The two places are very much alike. I don't understand why you would call everything cheap/poor quality because Warsaw holds some of Europe's biggest males with alot of upscale stores with very expensive things on the shelves. I just think you went all the wrong places and you can have a much more "upscale" vacation in Warsaw than anywhere in Europe as your dollars will buy you more treats than anywhere else. Next time check yourself into an executive suite at the Hilton ask them to get you a driver that can take you to all the good spots. It's cheaper than you think and they'll make sure you have an upscale trip. It all depends on what you want and how much dough you got, If you're loaded you can have a nice vacation anywhere, even in a place like Poland.
King Sobieski 2 | 716
28 Mar 2010 #106
I like more glamorous & upscale vacation spots. Like Paris, Rome, Fiji etc

fiji may look glamourous with all the beaches and resorts and what not but it could end up nasty.
We advise you to exercise caution when travelling in Fiji due to the unresolved political situation and deterioration in the rule of law following the December 2006 military coup.

smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Fiji
asik 2 | 220
28 Mar 2010 #107
Przemos gurl: I did not have fun in Poland & will never go back. Being that I am only allowed in Europe for 90's out of a 180 day period,

Next time you shoudn't be allowed to Poland at all.

Przemos gurl: Now I have to wait until July to go back to Europe & Im sad that I did not enjoy myself while I was there. Przemek was very upset that I did not like his country,.........

.......I like more glamorous & upscale vacation spots. Like Paris, Rome, Fiji etc. Even New York is more up my ally.

You should go and visit the a/s places instead wasting your time going to Zgorzelec in Poland.
Przemek must be blind not to see how shallow you are. I guess it won't take long for him to see true you.

Przemos gurl: The reason I am reposting is to let anyone who reads this know that i did not feel that people in Poland were racist

Przemos gurl: People do stare and its very unsettling. At first i felt uncomfortable even going anywhere at all because i didnt want to be gawked & gaped at. The only people that were not staring were little kids, to them I was just another person. The staring was so bad that Przemek even was uncomfortable.

Are you extraordinary looking or what is wrong that people are scared/ amused when you are around. Maybe you can tell as the secret?
I really wonder what was the reason.

Przemos gurl: It was all just of poor quality. Everything was even the food at grocery stores. I had to go to Germany to buy good food.

Poor you. At least you found out were to go and buy food.

Przemos gurl: On a positive note I did get to try some Polish food that I loved. Perogi (?) was my favorite - Russian Perogi. Then I had some pancake things that had like onions or something in it that I loved and that soup with the bits of egg in it? Loved it:)

Not "russian pierogi" but "ruskie pierogi" and it has nothing to do with Russia.
Wow! Was not even scared to try this poor quality Polish food.
OP Przemos gurl 1 | 20
28 Mar 2010 #108
asik: Thanks for the LOL's. If you really think youre making a difference you are not.

"Next time you shoudn't be allowed to Poland at all."

That is not for you to decide, and if you can comprehend what you read, you would see that I said I was never going back. So there will be no "next time"

"You should go and visit the a/s places instead wasting your time going to Zgorzelec in Poland.

Przemek must be blind not to see how shallow you are. I guess it won't take long for him to see true you."

1)I was not going to Poland for a vacation, and whether not it was a good vacation spot is irrelevant to this question. However someone asked me why i didnt like it and the answer is: Since I don't fly overseas everyday it would have been nice to have a great time while I was there. I didn't, and wont go back. Simple as that. Do you have a problem with that?

2)There are many places I don't like all over the world for many reasons. It does not make a person shallow because they don't love another country or certain cities in certain countries. I don't think I would enjoy Saudi Arabia or Mexico either, am I shallow for that? LOL Its called a PREFERENCE. If you don't understand that not everyone will be happy with everything for WHATEVER reason, then you may as well go live under a rock. It takes a whole lot of people to make up a whole wide world.

3) You clearly are taking it personally that I did not like Poland. If I don't like Poland SO WHAT? What does that even have to do with you at all. I reposted to let people know about my experience saying nothing about why I didn't like it. Someone asked me why & I told them. I am entitled to my opinion. Don't like it? Too bad.

"Are you extraordinary looking or what is wrong that people are scared/ amused when you are around. Maybe you can tell as the secret?

I really wonder what was the reason."

Clearly your intelligence is not too terribly evolved is it? It doesn't take a brain scientist to figure out why they were staring. And whatever the reason people should be taught at a young age that staring is impolite. That fact that many people there clearly have not been taught that, was unsettling. Nobody would like being followed around and stared at. I even caught some people taking my picture. That's not cool, and I don't care what your opinion about it is. I didn't like it. I am the beholder and this is my story. Period.

A lot of people want to know if countries like Poland are safe for people of color. I am a person of color and I have been there. This is a positive contribution to anyone who is curios. Nobody needs you messing up a good thing with your ridiculous ranting and raving.

"Poor you. At least you found out were to go and buy food."

My mother was a food broker, I know the difference between good and bad food. I don't even shop at normal grocery stores at home, I go to the market and anyone with half a brain knows the difference. If I want to pay more for better food, that is my prerogative. The reason there are many different types of grocery stores is because companies know some people are picky. Is that wrong? No. It is what it is. Case closed.

"Not "russian pierogi" but "ruskie pierogi" and it has nothing to do with Russia.
Wow! Was not even scared to try this poor quality Polish food."

I do not speak Polish. My fiance, who is Polish told me that in English it was called Russian Pierogi. The fact that it has nothing to do with Russia is irrelevant. Every country has foods that are so called <enter foreign country>. Through my travels i have seen lots of foods that were supposedly American, & every time what they served was not even remotely close to something we eat. For example French fries are not French, they are actually Belgian, they are only called French fries because the way they are cut. If you don't understand this, then its not my problem. You're just trying to be vile anywhere you can because you're offended I didn't like Poland. Lot's of people hate the US and Americans in General. Do i care? No because I have the mind to know that you cannot please everyone all the time. This post really has nothing to do with what you're raving about. The question was "Is Poland a safe Country for people of color?" I gave my answer and if you have nothing positive to contribute for the people who really want to know the answer to this question, I suggest you get a hobby or start you own post so you can spew.

Bye
z_darius 14 | 3,968
28 Mar 2010 #109
Przemos gurl: My mother was a food broker, I know the difference between good and bad food.

Waidda minute! Your mother was a food broker so that makes YOU a food specialist? My friend's dad is a doctor, a really good gastroenterologist. If you are still suffering from the results of the terrible Polish food perhaps you'd like the his son's number? By your logic that'll be as good as being consulted by the doctor.

And what does your mother's being a food broker have to do with the taste of food in Poland? After all she has not visited the country. Besides, food broker is pretty much a sales person, moving food between the producers and the buyers, i.e. a merchant. You seem to be confusing the job with that of a food critic. Even if your mother was one, that still wouldn't put YOU in a position you're trying to present yourself you're in.

I'm not saying that people are entitled to their taste and if you didn't like it that's fine. But to say Polish food is "bad" because you mom is a food saleswoman so you know better is a little far fetched. Polish food may lack a lot of artificial garbage that typical food in the US abounds in, but does that make Polish food "bad"? You're just used to preservatives, artificial flavors and colorants.

Przemos gurl: And whatever the reason people should be taught at a young age that staring is impolite. That fact that many people there clearly have not been taught that, was unsettling. Nobody would like being followed around and stared at.

I'm with you on that one. I felt pretty crappy myself when I got lost on the subway in NYC and somehow I found myself in the Bronx. All eyes were on me. It looks like none of those Americans who stared at me had been taught that staring is impolite.
asik 2 | 220
28 Mar 2010 #110
The reason I put the comments on your posts was purely because of your sooo very undecided and confusing opinion about Poland. I don't care if you liked the country and it's people, this is not the case (anyway you should at least try to like the country because of your boyfriend, it's your loss if you don't).

Read your posts again and see for yourself how in every second sentence you have completely different opinion , here we go, your sentences (I had a really good laugh reading you)

*I did not have fun in Poland & will never go back.
And not long after
*Now I have to wait until July to go back to Europe & Im sad that I did not enjoy myself while I was there.

Another one, where in short I'd describe as "Polish people are not racists but run for your life if you see Poles"

*i did not feel that people in Poland were racist. I did not feel like it wasnt safe
and :
*it was just plain rude the way people were staring & following me around (not the men at the bars, but others... like they would purposely follow me around a store so they were able to gape at me) . For the two reasons listed above I will never go back.

Men were coming up to me ..he could have started a fight, . One guy even followed us outside of the bar for awhile, ..
The staring was so bad ..


Or this:
[i]*but I never went to any bars or clubs.
And:
*Actually when i was in Warsaw at the end of my trip I did go to a few bars[/i]

In my opinion you have a low self-esteem. This can influence the way you behave or see other people. That's why you were too observant and were obsessively checking if anyone stares at you and if you stare, people stare back or even follow you thinking about some chances with you.

It happened just in Poland because your boyfriend is Polish and it was important - in other countries it didn't annoy you because you didn't observe others as much.
DariusTraveller 1 | 59
28 Mar 2010 #111
Why didn't you go to the market then? The market isn't just an american invention you know.. There's markets in small towns all over the EU. I think your logic is very much off as technically market food in the U.S is worse for you to eat than equivalent EU market food. And a lot of the supermarket food in Poland isn't exactly Polish, it comes from all over the EU and sometimes South America. There's types of food that are actually banned in the EU that's still sold in the U.S such as chlorinated Chickens filled with growth hormones, Pesticides etc. Which means that all chicken import is banned from the U.S into the EU whether or not it comes from a factory or a market. And that's just one out of many...

So i think it's really dumb for an american to show up in Europe and claim that EU food products are inferior to the equivalent U.S products when it's been scientifically and technically proven that your food is actually much much worse than any other food sold anywhere in the world mostly due to the lack of regulations. And the only reason there are so many specialized grocery stores in the U.S is exactly the reason you stated above, because there's a beepload of people who are sick of eating poisoned food in the U.S therefore there are stores who try to fill that demand. Just because this isn't the case in the EU or Poland that doesn't mean that it's actually a bad thing, no it just shows that people are satisfied with the products sold in EU grocery stores.

I know the big juicy hormone pumped chlorinated chicken might look good to you visually at the U.S market but I think you should really learn the science about how the eff that chicken was grown before you come and claim that EU food is worse than U.S food. I mean there's a good reason why Jamie Oliver is over in the states right now rigorously protesting against american's feeding chicken nuggets and pizza for breakfast at U.S schools and it just clearly shows that neither the people or the government knows what good food actually is... And as other posters said, you're not exactly an educated expert. Anyways no offence to you but I just had to point out that you're seriously wrong on this one.

Good luck
Ironside 51 | 11,339
28 Mar 2010 #112
Przemos gurl: from the rest of Europe.

rather western Europe, Europe doesn't start and finish with Germany and France.

Przemos gurl: thought it was just plain rude the way people were staring & following me around (not the men at the bars, but others... like they would purposely follow me around a store so they were able to gape at me

Similar experience in Ghana for white person :)
And even worse for white women in India :)

Didn't liked - well, whatever - I couldn't care less, enjoy whatever rocks your boat :D
love_sunil80 14 | 127
28 Mar 2010 #113
Ironside: And even worse for white women in India :)

What do you mean worst for white woman in India?
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441
28 Mar 2010 #114
well, she didn't like it and provided some insight, fair enough.
Of course those who criticize her are "world travelers" who never scrutinize anything.

At least she was honest and presented her point of view- don't we all?
OP Przemos gurl 1 | 20
28 Mar 2010 #115
z_ darius :

"Waidda minute! Your mother was a food broker so that makes YOU a food specialist? My friend's dad is a doctor, a really good gastroenterologist. If you are still suffering from the results of the terrible Polish food perhaps you'd like the his son's number? By your logic that'll be as good as being consulted by the doctor.

And what does your mother's being a food broker have to do with the taste of food in Poland? After all she has not visited the country. Besides, food broker is pretty much a sales person, moving food between the producers and the buyers, i.e. a merchant. You seem to be confusing the job with that of a food critic. Even if your mother was one, that still wouldn't put YOU in a position you're trying to present yourself you're in.

I'm not saying that people are entitled to their taste and if you didn't like it that's fine. But to say Polish food is "bad" because you mom is a food saleswoman so you know better is a little far fetched. Polish food may lack a lot of artificial garbage that typical food in the US abounds in, but does that make Polish food "bad"? You're just used to preservatives, artificial flavors and colorants."

Im sorry you also seem to be having a problem comprehending, but if you look at my original posts I said the food from the grocery stores was of poor quality, and I had to go to Germany to get better food. I never said the Polish food that was cooked for me did not taste good, I only said it was better when Przemeks mother cooked it. But that is because everything tastes better homemade. With that being said none of what you wrote about tastes & food critics (lol) makes sense because I never said it tasted bad. I didn't go out to eat everyday because I felt uncomfortable with all the stares, so I cooked at home a lot & the food at the grocery stores in Poland - like produce, meat etc was not up to par for me. Its just a preference, some people do not care as long as its cheap, but I would rather pay more for something else.

The fact that my mother was a food broker means that she was more picky about the things she purchased for her own home & she told me the reasons why & taught me how to shop. Food brokers receive many products to test that they bring home to their families & give to their employees to try. They begin to recognize good products for 100 different reasons. Even the packaging can give you a clue sometimes. The same thing goes for raw foods. If there was no difference on the quality of food here & there, then why is there advice on cooking shows, books, magazines, the internet & sometimes in the grocery stores about how to pick a good _____? I did work for my mom for many years & even if I hadn't: A person with any career passes on information to their children. They live with them, you think they don't ever go home and talk about work? Or find something useful that they think would benefit their children in life? Further I do not eat packaged food full of "preservatives, artificial flavors & colorants". I also do not shop at grocery stores, I shop at markets. At markets in the US, the food is mostly organic which makes it more expensive. It costs a lot more money to produce organic foods. They are more worried about quality than quantity.

"I'm with you on that one. I felt pretty crappy myself when I got lost on the subway in NYC and somehow I found myself in the Bronx. All eyes were on me. It looks like none of those Americans who stared at me had been taught that staring is impolite."

Exactly, and clearly those people were not taught that it was not polite. Im sorry for you're bad experience.

asik:

Will you pleas get a life! Now you are truly hallucinating because you are reading into something that really is not there. Its obvious you just want to pick a fight because you seem to be upset I did not like Poland. I did NOT like it.. SO what? Is English your first language? Because if it is not, you really should find someone to help you with comprehension. If it is, you really ought to be ashamed of yourself. You're arguments for you're ranting make no sense whatsoever. It truly is amusing.

"The reason I put the comments on your posts was purely because of your sooo very undecided and confusing opinion about Poland. I don't care if you liked the country and it's people, this is not the case (anyway you should at least try to like the country because of your boyfriend, it's your loss if you don't).

Read your posts again and see for yourself how in every second sentence you have completely different opinion , here we go, your sentences (I had a really good laugh reading you).

You are the only one who seems to be confused. Do not lump everyone in the same category as you. Its insulting to the other users. Never said I didn't like the people, I in FACT said they were very nice. BUT they did stare & acted very strangely and that was not cool. But they were never mean to me or displayed any type of behavior to make me think they were racist and make me feel unsafe. Uncomfortable yes, unsafe, no. This was the point of the initial question. Why dont you get that? People of non European decent or who look different than the people in Poland that have to travel to Poland for business or any other reason may want to know that other people such as have been there and back with no serious problems. I also think they should know what to expect, why do you have such a problem with that?!?

And even though you have no place to tell me what I should and shouldn't do, I DID try to like it. I stayed for THREE months, not THREE weeks, does it sound like I didn't give it a chance?

Also he is my fiance, not my boyfriend. There is a big difference.

*I did not have fun in Poland & will never go back.
And not long after
*Now I have to wait until July to go back to Europe & Im sad that I did not enjoy myself while I was there."

Let me explain something to you that should be common knowledge. Poland is simply a country in Europe, NOT Europe itself LOL. There are 47 countries in Europe, is this not something that people learn in school when they are about 8 years old? There are 25 countries in what is called the "Schengen agreement" OK? If you are traveling within the Schengen countries & you are an American citizen like myself (or any other non EU passport holder), you are only allowed 90 days within the Schengen countries in a 180 day period. This means that because I spent just about 90 days in the SCHENGEN area this winter, I have to wait to go back to ANY country within that area if I want to go without getting a visa. Just because you don't understand clearly doesn't mean im contradicting myself :) I do not want to go back to Poland. I do want to go back to other countries in the Schengen area BUT CANT until JULY. Ok???

"Another one, where in short I'd describe as "Polish people are not racists but run for your life if you see Poles"

*i did not feel that people in Poland were racist. I did not feel like it wasnt safe
and :
*it was just plain rude the way people were staring & following me around (not the men at the bars, but others... like they would purposely follow me around a store so they were able to gape at me) . For the two reasons listed above I will never go back.

Men were coming up to me ..he could have started a fight, . One guy even followed us outside of the bar for awhile, ..
The staring was so bad .."

Oh dear God, now you are putting words in my mouth. And chopping up the sentences I wrote & grouping them together as you please so you can interpret them how you please. You dont change someones writing. That is just pure idiocy to think you understand what it is they are trying to say when you do that. The MEN that were talking to me in the few bars I went to on my LAST two days there, wanted something else. You have shown that you cant read clearly, so maybe that means you cannot pick up on body language and when someone likes you as more than just a friend. I do not share the same problem. That is not the same as groups of people & individuals following me around in stores, and pointing at me, taking pictures etc because they had never seen a person of color in their life, other than on the TV. Don't understand that difference either? LMFAO

"Or this:
[i]*but I never went to any bars or clubs.
And:
*Actually when i was in Warsaw at the end of my trip I did go to a few bars

In the English language, the word actually means IN REALITY. I had forgotten that I went to a few bars on my last couple days there, then i corrected myself. Its easy to forget because its not like i went out power drinking. I had two beers at one SMALL bar & two glasses of wine at another SMALL bar. I dont think forgetting, then correction yourself is a contradiction. Its youre problem if you are confused.

"In my opinion you have a low self-esteem. This can influence the way you behave or see other people. That's why you were too observant and were obsessively checking if anyone stares at you and if you stare, people stare back or even follow you thinking about some chances with you.

It happened just in Poland because your boyfriend is Polish and it was important - in other countries it didn't annoy you because you didn't observe others as much."

1) I didn't ask your opinion and anybody who is reading this thread will be looking for the answer behind the question in my experience, not for your opinion about me. You're not that special, sorry for the bad news.

2) There is no such thing as too observant. When you are a female, traveling alone (was with my fiance but did go places alone. Wanna clear that up right now as you have a tendency of twisting words, making things up and getting confused) in a foreign country -one that you are not sure will be safe or not at that- with lots of money and a passport that people love to steal, it would be very unwise not to watch your back. You may not realize such things that should be common sense, but again I don't share the same problem. Another thing, the point of traveling for me is to see things & learn about the culture & people. You think observing things wont help me achieve my goal while there?

3) Obsessively checking to see if anyone is staring at me? I didnt know you were following me around for three months checking out my behavior lol. What do you think I walk around staring at the ground? You don't HAVE to obsessively check to see if people are staring at you because its very blatant: they do it without even attempting to hide it. Check the posts on Polish forums & all over the internet from people of color who have been to Poland. They all say the same thing - people there stare a lot. So we all have a low self esteem for noticing it? Please.

4) Another thing that SHOULD be common knowledge is the fact that in other countries in western Europe, there are people of color so this is nothing new to them, why would they stare? I didn't notice in any other countries that anyone staring because it was not happening. Poland was a communist country up until 1989 so to most people it would be obvious they are not use to outsiders at all. They have not had lots of immigration like the US, Canada, UK, France, Spain etc etc. They are not even use to people from western Europe. This is why they stare. Does it make it right? No.

You really are something else, aren't you?

If anyone has any questions for me about my experience, as long as you dont want to pick a fight please do not hesitate to ask. I was very afraid before I left and if anything I have to say may help those who are now in that position, please don't be shy. There is another guy I met from here named Harold and he has been more than once so he could also be very helpful. He is going to tell you that they stare as well, but he has lots of good stories.
Ironside 51 | 11,339
28 Mar 2010 #116
love_sunil80: What do you mean worst for white woman in India?

Unless she enjoy being smudged and touched by strangers if not accompanied by male and bodyguard for a good measure!
jarnowa 4 | 499
28 Mar 2010 #117
So Polish food is not good enough for TS and Polish cities are not good enough for her to live in? If i were your boyfriend i would break up immediately for insulting my country.

I'm glad you will never come back to Poland, we can miss your kind.
OP Przemos gurl 1 | 20
28 Mar 2010 #118
Good thing my FIANCE is not immature. I did not like Poland. SO WHAT? Why is that such a big deal & an insult to you? Hey Londoners, guess what? I did not like London. Do you think they are going to come on here and cry because I didn't like London? I did nothing wrong to anybody while in Poland I just didn't like it. Is that a crime? There are lots of cities and places I dont like within my own country. Jesus, grow up. You really are pathetic.

And I dont want to live anywhere other than the state that I live in now. My favorite city in the world is Paris, my favorite people in the world are the French, but does that mean I want to go and live with them forever? No. I like the US. I travel to most places and give them a chance. If i end up not liking the place for WHATEVER reason i choose its my prerogative. It has nothing whatsoever to do with you or anyone else.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441
28 Mar 2010 #119
Ironside: Unless she enjoy being smudged and touched by strangers if not accompanied by male and bodyguard for a good measure!

you are lying as usual. Please, stop or present an event you actually witnessed yourself.
jonni 16 | 2,485
28 Mar 2010 #120
jarnowa: i would break up immediately for insulting my country.

Belgium? Or Poland the country in which you're an immigrant?


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