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The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well?


Seanus 15 | 19,674
14 Sep 2010 #121
Yeah, there have been a few cross jokes by the likes of Dennis Leary and Bill Hicks.

Back to rudification, I was appalled at a shop assistant who left me standing while dithering around chatting to her colleagues. I wouldn't have minded so much but there were around 30 wasps flying around in manic fashion. I don't mind them that much but when they are all around you, it's not so good. They were attracted by the sugary donuts and pizzas. It was like she saw that I was uncomfortable and just decided to take no action. She saw I was peeved at her as I usually get on with that particular server.
plk123 8 | 4,142
14 Sep 2010 #122
or maybe you're making bad assumptions and generalisation ? think about it!

nope, you're the one who jumped to a conclusion..

well, do you have any proof of your words, or you just - feel so? )

you must have been asleep the last decade or so.. hmm.. i can't really help your ignorance.. that is not why i post here.. you are more then welcome to figure this out on your own. i'm not up to spoon feeding you.

In this passage the Bible condemns gay ritual sex in a temple and/or males having sex in a woman's bed.

and no.. this passage doesn't mention the woman's bed at all.. read it again..
and the other funny thing is that you only attempted to discredit 2 out of 5 of MG's points and you completely failed at one.. basically he pwnd you.. haha!

i do not think so, no one can be worse then deserted bush.

yup

In Europe secularism is the religion.

how does that statement even make any sense to you, i will never know.. google the definition of the word "religion"

Even if one holds that religion is false, only a close minded secularist can deny that religion was the driving force for nearly all the uniquely great art, literature, economic and even scientific advances of the West

huh? the first.. some but definitely not all.. and as to science, religion actually stifled it for centuries.
as to the second, religion drove the greek philosophers? is that right? lol

No; left wingers and secularists have a great many similarities.

in your mind only.. imho, it is exactly the opposite as demonstrated by USA in the recent decade.

Secularism and ecology is now the new religion of the millennium. All nature-based spirituality,

are you sure that's new? i implore you do a bit of studying sometime.

And for the rest, his speech reminds me about the recurring ranting every grown up generation does about the current "impossible" youth...;)
It is as regular as it is wrong!

lol.. agreed.

The idea of no big government is working well for Somalia.

and Afghanistan the two inoculators of knowledge. :D

Yeah...they should be burned on stakes! *shakes fist*

rofl

There are no socialist countries in Europe.

what? ever hear of Sweden?

Oh, I am sorry : the liberals and secularism is responsible for the break up of the family unit, while US has one of the highest number of divorces and it is not even secular, nor liberal - how would you explain that?

he can't as he's fervently religious. lol

Currently the family is number one, as more Poles spend time in the UK and other secular countries were the family is not of such high importance, they will return to PL with different priorities.

you are giving the "west" way too much credit.. poles are more then capable to do this to themselves. but hey, if you like scapegoats then there you go.

aphrodisiac:
that was taken out of context and was directed to Plk and has nothing to do with the discussion we are having

I accept that.

yeah but it actually kind of goes along with this discussion too..

I would disagree since our society on the whole is the least rude ever in comparison to what our ancestor's behavior.

no, i disagree and i even posted a link to prove it so as well as forwarded a thought to the same.

, nobody is shoving any religion down your throat anymore.

that is not true either.. maybe it is so in canadia but in the USA there definitely is a pretty high religious fervor.

Christmas address but some vague "Happy Holiday".

because it is the holidays and not only x-mas.. you can't be that dumb, can you?

Well...they should have openly the Winter Solstice back...after all the Christians took an existing holy day and only renamed it to suit their own fashion. ;)

To think the christian religion or any holy book whatsoever is needed for creativity and philosophy and what else is just crap. Mankind did well before some people got nailed on some crosses in some desert and will do well afterwards too...

right on

have taken the notion of 'freedom of religion' and twisted it into 'freedom from religion'.

nothing wrong with that..

Sure it does.
aphrodisiac:
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No.

care to expound? lol

It was like she saw that I was uncomfortable and just decided to take no action. She saw I was peeved at her

you really should have cracked your bible and read her a few passages from it.. according to many here that would have solved this issue.

hahahaha
Bzibzioh
15 Sep 2010 #123
because it is the holidays and not only x-mas.. you can't be that dumb, can you?

Mods, since this is an unprovoked attack on other members - please remove this WHOLE post.
Seanus 15 | 19,674
15 Sep 2010 #124
Plk123, you are right. I just couldn't quite remember which passage to cite ;) ;)
trener zolwia 1 | 939
15 Sep 2010 #125
Plk123, you are right.

What is, A sentence you don't hear very often?

Polish Idiots for $200, Alex.
trener zolwia 1 | 939
15 Sep 2010 #127
Dennis Leary

DL doing stand up is one of the funniest mo-fo's ever.
Seanus 15 | 19,674
15 Sep 2010 #128
He had a particular style :) He lended his own rudification to America :) I liked his Holsten Pils commercials, Stops in Hel :)
trener zolwia 1 | 939
15 Sep 2010 #129
He lended his own rudification to America :)

Exellent tie-in!

;)
Ironside 53 | 12,364
15 Sep 2010 #130
that is not why i post here..

well, why do you post here ? to make us know what you think ? golden thoughts of M@@@@@?
Well, thank you but you ain't Buddha!

attempted to discredit 2 out of 5 of MG's points and you completely failed at one.. basically he pwnd you.. haha!

Well, so did you with my previous post, yet I don't laugh triumphantly!gee!

nope, you're the one who jumped to a conclusion..

no its you ....lol .. (plk123 style)
Seanus 15 | 19,674
15 Sep 2010 #131
I think that he remembered what America was all about, freedom of speech. He pushed the boundaries on that one sometimes but I'm not conservative so he was well within the lines as far as I'm concerned. He was just zany at times, talking about cheese hats or sth like that. A positive form of wacky, more for those that wake&bake.
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,751
15 Sep 2010 #132
Even if one holds that religion is false, only a close minded secularist can deny that religion was the driving force for nearly all the uniquely great art, literature, economic and even scientific advances of the West.

It was more the struggle with and/or trying to break free from religion that after the Middle Ages produced the most fabulous works of art. Religious art is sth different. Beautiful too as art is supposed to be beautiful anyway. But you cannot say that it's only due to religion that the most beautiful or famous pieces of art have been produced: the Mona Lisa by Da Vinci is not a religious work (does not portray a religious situation or scene from the Bible), the Night Watch from Rembrandt is neither. Pablo Picasso's work is mainly non-religious, Dali, Breughel and most of the Dutch painters...

The secularist state destroys creativity: Why do anything for yourself when the state will do it for you? Why take care of others when the state will do it for you? Why have ambition when the state is there to ensure that few or no individuals are rewarded more than others?

Not true - like in the previous example, art, literature and music are personal expression of these or those desires, wishes or frustrations. If you take a scale and lie on one side the religious oriented works of art and on the other side the non-religious works, I would say the scale would pretty much be in balance. You make the mistake to think that every secular state equals some sort of Socialist or Communist state, which is not true, there are many variations - what would you like to see instead of the current systems? A Theocracy? Hm, Iran is a Theocracy and we don't want to be in Iran, wouldn't we? There is a reason why Church and religion are no longer dominating forces. If given dominance, the Church will, just as any other dominant entity, try to cage ppl, mainly in spirit, but in the old days they even did it physically. And we don't want that. The Church is supposed to be the opposite of Communism, however, both will dominate and deal with dissenting opinions in an unpleasant way, as has been shown.

Don't have time to react to all of the posters - freaking busy for days now and I will be for more days to come - don't you just love it when replacements screw up the system and the SysAdmin has "forgotten" to look after that little problem with the backup servers we, unknown to anybody except the SysAdmin, had for almost 6 months?

Gotta go again.

>^..^<

M-G (still a lot to go)
Bzibzioh
15 Sep 2010 #133
Well, so did you with my previous post, yet I don't laugh triumphantly!gee!

This thread is not about the Bible so I was sure this post would end up in random so I didn't want to waste more of my time. Besides there was more about CC doctrine than the Bible passages.

This thread was interesting for a while and, as usual, one plk123's post and it's a mess. Excellent job, mods!
trener zolwia 1 | 939
15 Sep 2010 #134
He was just zany

A positive form of wacky

Indeed!

don't you just love it when replacements screw up the system

I hate when this happens. And you can't fire them...

as usual, one plk123's post and it's a mess.

Every thread. :s
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
16 Sep 2010 #135
Dennis Leary

I saw him at the Chicago Theater a few months ago and was very disappointed. His act was merely gross, not funny. I only laughed a couple of times during his two long sets. He is a much better actor than comedian. His stuff was teenage humor. The other comedians appearing with him were much better.
convex 20 | 3,930
16 Sep 2010 #136
I saw him at the Chicago Theater a few months ago and was very disappointed. His act was merely gross, not funny.

Like an unfunny Bill Hicks.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,158
16 Sep 2010 #137
My opinion is that, there are more peasants or individuals with a farmer background (or worker)
and they don't have any traditions for manners or anything! the society is going down... Because there are nobody there to lift it up!

You prioritize lower classes then that's what you GET!
trener zolwia 1 | 939
16 Sep 2010 #138
I can't speak to his more recent stuff but not long ago I watched one of his old stand-up routines from the early 90's (I believe) and it was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Doubled over in stomach pain from laughing... nearly wet myself! Lol...
Daisy 3 | 1,224
17 Sep 2010 #139
Nice pic but Odin lost one eye... ;-)

It's not Odin/Woden it's Thunor (or Thor as those strange continental types across the water like to call him)
Seanus 15 | 19,674
17 Sep 2010 #140
It depends where you go. Go where old people are and rudeness is virtually guaranteed. PKO Bank Polski is a prime location for that.

I've noticed some thank yous on the go but still some glaring omissions. When crossing a makeshift bridge or moving through a tight spot at times when I had the right of way, I've waited and let them come across. No thank you whatsoever, not even a nod.

It happens but I'm trying to focus on the positive aspects and there are some in evidence.
trener zolwia 1 | 939
17 Sep 2010 #141
Go where old people are and rudeness is virtually guaranteed.

I find the younger crowd to be ruder than the older folks today. Over here anyway.
Seanus 15 | 19,674
17 Sep 2010 #142
Hmm...there is a certain type of young moron that can be found in any country but it's defo not the case here that your average young person, when sober, is more impolite. Not on your nelly! I often get acknowledged for helping in some way but not by the oldies. The Americans that have been here have said that many young Americans can be really brash and that Poles are a step up.
trener zolwia 1 | 939
17 Sep 2010 #143
Indeed, the young Poles I have met seem respectful.
Our society just doesn't teach respect anymore. In this Hip-hop Age things like manners are considered quaint while being rude or -"dissing" another- is cool. Backwards new age crap...

Another reason places like P-Land should resist Western influences these days...
mafketis 36 | 10,707
17 Sep 2010 #144
Traditionally I think Poland is a culture where age has its privileges and one of them is the normal expectation of having the right of way and having small courtesies extended with no necessary need to acknowledge each and every one. On the other hand I'm usually thanked for greater than normal courtesy or help.
Seanus 15 | 19,674
17 Sep 2010 #145
Youth will be youth but there is a softness in many students here in gimnazjum (junior high) and liceum (high school). I've taught them and they don't have the rough edge that a Scottish group typically has. Again, a bit of generalizing but discussions would go nowhere fast without them ;)
Ironside 53 | 12,364
18 Sep 2010 #146
I've taught them and they don't have the rough edge that a Scottish group typically has.

Good observation.


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