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The "Rudification" Of Society - Is This Happening In Poland As Well?


aphrodisiac 11 | 2,437
12 Sep 2010 #61
so, you're never the first? you're only a reactionary life?

depends on the situation:). I have my life and react when it is necessary.
Barney 15 | 1,591
12 Sep 2010 #62
There is a great wee article by Nick Cohen (not someone I always agree with) that addresses this topic.
guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/sep/12/pope-benedict-atheism-secularism
nickcohen.net

But the notion that in free countries atheism promotes intolerance and immorality is demonstrably false. Last year, Californian sociologist Phil Zuckerman responded with facts rather than witless abuseto claims from Christian psychologists and theologians that atheists were "selfish and pusillanimous curmudgeons", "unnatural" or "just damn angry". He pulled together the available evidenceand found that the more atheists or agnostics a free society has the more moral it becomes.

for example

A study in the 1990s found that a meagre 0.2% of the US prison population were atheists. In America, the states with the highest murder rates tend to be highly religious, such as Louisiana and Alabama, but the states with the lowest murder rates are among the least religious in the country, such as Vermont and Oregon.

There is no point pasting the article here just read it if you wish.
Ironside 53 | 12,424
12 Sep 2010 #63
so true..

morning press review eh?

hanging on to those outdated "ideas" of christianity is the problem, imho.

what outdated?
Bzibzioh
12 Sep 2010 #64
There is a great wee article by Nick Cohen

His argumentation is weak, though.

plk321:hanging on to those outdated "ideas" of christianity is the problem, imho.

what outdated?

You don't seriously expect a rational answer from him, do you? I love it when he pretends to be a hard-core atheist, so cute, all the fake outrage, fervor, the whole enchilada :)

morning press review eh?

Another day, another hysterics.
Ironside 53 | 12,424
12 Sep 2010 #65
You don't seriously expect a rational answer from him, do you?

Well, I don't pass a judgement, I'm waiting for the answer.

Another day, another hysterics.

lol
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,751
12 Sep 2010 #66
There is a great wee article by Nick Cohen (not someone I always agree with) that addresses this topic.

I especially like this part of the article:

Atheism and secularism, Zuckerman continued, are also correlated with higher levels of education and lower levels of prejudicenot only against women and gays, but people from other ethnicities as well. For good measure, atheists were less likely to beat their children and more likely to encourage them to think independently.

Which is undisputably true.

His argumentation is weak, though.

His argumentation is a lot more profound than I have seen coming from the religious corner.

Gotta dash again.

>^..^<

M-G (still busy)
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
12 Sep 2010 #67
Fox News stated that they would not send a reporter to cover the book burnings. All the other networks were going to send one. So in this instance you agree with Fox News!

the soothing way you talk about those Tea Party guys and the way you talk about the left-wingers.

I tell it the way I see it. The Tea Party people have never rioted (unlike several liberal gatherings recently) and if anything they seem down-to-earth. Conversely, half the liberal gathering I've been at were spiked with profanity, pushing, shoving and yelling.

ZIMMY:
On staff are liberals who daily contribute

yeah, who? lol

Well, just at the top of my head the regulars have included (among others) Juan Williams, Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Martin Frost, Mary Ann Marsh, Geraldo Rivera, Marc Lament Hill, plus a whole bunch of others who appear infrequently depending on the subject matter at hand. Oh, Geraldine Ferraro who was a Democratic Party candidate for vice-president is on about once a month. This partial list of liberals and/or Democrats should resolve which news outlet is the fairest. For example, no such record exists for MSNBC.

the libertarians can be even more to the right then repubs sometimes.

You really should understand something before making yourself sound so ignorant. Generally speaking, Libertarians are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Hope that helps.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,648
12 Sep 2010 #68
Fox News stated that they would not send a reporter to cover the book burnings. All the other networks were going to send one. So in this instance you agree with Fox News!

A local ABC affiliate has stated it will not publish any Koran burnings footage on its website nor will it air any coverage on it's television station.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
13 Sep 2010 #69
Fox News is owned by a member of the Bush family, I forget his name.

That's because there is no name! You might be thinking of Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal who owns 7 percent of Fox News. Of course, many other investors are Jewish (7%) and the governance board includes people who are of Hispanic, Vietnamese (surprise?), and even of Dutch ancestry. Of course Rupert Murdoch has the controlling voting interest.

didn't Fox already called Bush winner before all Floridian votes were counted in 2000?

Yes, they called the election correctly. Here is what you probably don't know.
* Bush won the original count in Florida.
* Bush won subsequent three recounts.
* Bush won the absentee ballots recounts.
* Bush won the watchdog media's recounts conducted one year after the election.
* Bush even won the special "New York Times" recount; the one where it threw out the
military ballots (80% for Bush).

Even with the above info, lefties will still go along with their 'feelings' instead of the facts.

What Al Gore wanted to do was recount those areas which were heavily Democratic while not counting Republican districts. To liberals, that is called 'fairness'.
Babinich 1 | 455
13 Sep 2010 #70
Which is undisputably true.

Proof?
ShawnH 8 | 1,497
13 Sep 2010 #71
He said undisputable. Please don't dispute it. Please.
Bzibzioh
13 Sep 2010 #72
Proof?

Because HE said so. Should be enough for you!
plk123 8 | 4,142
13 Sep 2010 #73
Such as?

some of the extremely divisive interpretations of the bible.. the intolerance towards gays or single mothers or whatever.. we really could go on and on about this.. the bible has too many stories in it that do contradict themselves and many christians think they are better then everyone else.. those are issues that only add to the problems we are facing today.. they aren't healing.

depends on the situation:). I have my life and react when it is necessary.

right but the way you said what you said was that it's only up to others.., that's part of the problem.. you're pointing fingers.. point it at yourself at times when it is needed.

You don't seriously expect a rational answer from him, do you? I love it when he pretends to be a hard-core atheist, so cute, all the fake outrage, fervor, the whole enchilada :)

thanks for proving that the righties are the ones who are rudest.. look at what you write.. it's all in attack mode only.. so eff u, just like told you before.. grow up and we'll talk.

His argumentation is weak, though.

and you provide no argument at all thus you are the weak one.

Fox News stated that they would not send a reporter to cover the book burnings. All the other networks were going to send one. So in this instance you agree with Fox News!

i thought you said faux newz covers everything.. so if they weren't planning to cover this then how are they even close to being unbiased?

You really should understand something before making yourself sound so ignorant. Generally speaking, Libertarians are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Hope that helps.

no, that is not true.. you're talking out your arse.. libertarians aren't socially liberal.. they are socially non engaged.. fiscally conservative, yes, but then i didn't say anything about that.

Of course Rupert Murdoch has the controlling voting interest.

and everything he controls is very much to the right and he won't let any of his holding to be anything else but far right.

He said undisputable. Please don't dispute it. Please.

but it is indisputable.. if you or babi don't think so then post prove to the contrary.
Bzibzioh
13 Sep 2010 #74
the intolerance towards gays

Bible is silent on loving, consensual same-sex sexual behavior. However the Bible condemns: male rape of other men, people having sex that violates their sexual orientation (for example heterosexuals having sex with a member of the same sex or homosexuals having sex with a member of the opposite sex), men sexually abusing children and people engaging in bestiality (having sex with animals).

or single mothers

The Bible warns that sex outside of marriage is dangerous and will bring troubles, one of which is that a woman might have to raise a child by herself, which is undoubtedly difficult. No sweeping condemnation of single motherhood whatsoever.

or whatever

oh ya, it must be this one ...

so eff u,

That was your most convincing argument so far. And not rude at all.

*but don't worry, you are still cute when pretending to have an opinion*
plk123 8 | 4,142
13 Sep 2010 #75
However the Bible condemns: male rape of other men, people having sex that violates their sexual orientation (for example heterosexuals having sex with a member of the same sex or homosexuals having sex with a member of the opposite sex), men sexually abusing children and people engaging in bestiality (having sex with animals).

yet, the priests have been the worst abusers of them all.. hmm

The Bible warns that sex outside of marriage is dangerous and will bring troubles, one of which is that a woman might have to raise a child by herself, which is undoubtedly difficult. No sweeping condemnation of single motherhood whatsoever.

but many priest or preachers do condemn single moms.. etc.

That was your most convincing argument so far. And not rude at all.

i threw one at you because you deserve it.. while all your posts are full of insults without any reason at all.. just look the way you're responding to MG..
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
13 Sep 2010 #76
i thought you said faux newz covers everything.. so if they weren't planning to cover this then how are they even close to being unbiased?

You missed the premise - as usual. Perhaps f stopcan point it out to you.

you're talking out your arse.

Can you teach people this skill you seem to know about?

everything he controls is very much to the right and he won't let any of his holding to be anything else but far right.

Is that why there are so many dissenting opinions on Fox News? You never did reply to my partial list. That's what happens when you become an MSNBC and Huffington Post addict.
Bzibzioh
13 Sep 2010 #77
yet, the priests have been the worst abusers of them all.. hmm

We were talking about the Bible ... nice to see that you are not even trying to defend your statement

but many priest or preachers do condemn single moms.. etc.

again, the Bible, and no, they don't ...

i threw one at you because you deserve it.

no, I don't. You are just an angry and rude alcoholic without an ounce of clue of what are you talking about. Beyond agreeing blindly with whatever MG is saying, you have no opinion of your own. But offering one anyway.
southern 74 | 7,074
13 Sep 2010 #78
The Bible also says that the sun moves around the earth and it is one of the few lines I actually believe.
Bzibzioh
13 Sep 2010 #79
The Bible also says that the sun moves around the earth

Except the Bible doesn't say this but the members of the Church have interpreted it this way.

This belief in the Earth as the center of the universe and that everything else (sun included) revolved around the Earth - led to the great clash between Galileo and the Church establishment, or more broadly, between science and religion.
plk123 8 | 4,142
13 Sep 2010 #80
You missed the premise - as usual. Perhaps f stop can point it out to you.

no i didn't.. the problem is that you think that faux newz is accurate while they are quite picky.. they feed you what they want to deed you and you seem to swallow it all as the total truth.

Is that why there are so many dissenting opinions on Fox News?

those aren't really dissenting views.. hardly any of those peeps are mainstream.. geraldo the voice of the left? laughable at best. lol

That's what happens when you become an MSNBC and Huffington Post addict.

i'm no addict of either.. i read wide array of publications.. i like AP or Reuters the best.

nice to see that you are not even trying to defend your statement

your statement said it all.. you made my point..what else should i add to it?

they don't ...

lol.. right..

no, I don't.

of course you do.. look at the rest of your post.. you're jumping at me with some made up shlt.. you're effed up in your head missy.. not sure if it's heavey drugs or the booze but either way, you're mind is mush. so, i tend to not answer anything you have to say as you don't matter one bit to me and you think you know something and even everything. lmao.

This belief in the Earth as the center of the universe and that everything else (sun included) revolved around the Earth - led to the great clash between Galileo and the Church establishment, or more broadly, between science and religion.

so the bible is right, right? lol
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
13 Sep 2010 #81
You missed the premise - as usual. Perhaps f stop can point it out to you.

no i didn't..

Help him outf stop.

hardly any of those peeps are mainstream..

Lol, I agree with you, they are not mainstream. People like Alan Colmes or Bob Beckel are too liberal to be mainstream, yet they appear on Fox News almost nightly.

you think that faux newz is accurate while they are quite picky.. they feed you what they want to deed you and you seem to swallow it all as the total truth.

Was your porridge too hot this morning? ...and oh, I only swallow the truth.

geraldo the voice of the left?

Yep! check out his credentials and his self admitted liberalism. Fox News has also guested many liberal heroes of yours; for instance, big time Democratic party VIP, Barney Frank among others.

youtube.com/watch?v=tkmS6JrWSPU
Babinich 1 | 455
13 Sep 2010 #82
Atheism and secularism, Zuckerman continued, are also correlated with higher levels of education and lower levels of prejudice not only against women and gays, but people from other ethnicities as well. For good measure, atheists were less likely to beat their children and more likely to encourage them to think independently.

Which is undisputably true.

Undoubtedly...

businessinsider.com/left-wing-terrorism-surges-in-europe-2010-9

What about the educated? Class all the way; no prejudice whatsoever...

youtube.com/watch?v=PkuTm-ON904

but many priest or preachers do condemn single moms.. etc.

I believe you're making things up.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,437
13 Sep 2010 #83
Undoubtedly...

what does secularism and atheism have in common with left wing ? I don't see the connection.

Besides, if one protests against something, does it make him a left winger?
convex 20 | 3,930
13 Sep 2010 #84
What I don't get is the definition of terrorism. Murders carried out by right wing racists aren't included. The report is a decent read. From the report, apparently member states are incorrectly categorizing right wing terrorism as "extremism".

Interesting read though.
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,751
13 Sep 2010 #85
He said undisputable. Please don't dispute it.

Why don't you give your opinion for a change instead of ridiculing ppl who do?

twopaths.com/faq_homosexuality.htm

Undoubtedly...

Indeed what has atheism and secularism to do with the left-wing? And besides, the source is from the Right corner, so of course the lefties will be made look much worse than they really are. They claim that there has only been 1 right-wing attack, which is a ridiculous statement. There have been more right-wing attacks than just 1.

gawker.com/5286144/the-rise-of-right+wing-violence
agonist.org/sean_paul_kelley/20100325/right_wing_violence

But the violence back and forth is not the point. The point is, what does atheism and secularism have to do with left-wingers?

Trusting on God usually contradicts with trusting in science, and since atheists are not bothered by the presence of a god, they can focus more on science, hence making them more intelligent than ppl who put all their trust in God, not willing to explore things by themselves.

M-G (busy)
Bzibzioh
13 Sep 2010 #86
The Bible condemns raping of strangers for the purpose of humiliation in this passage.

Leviticus:You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. (NKJ, Leviticus 18:22)

In this passage the Bible condemns gay ritual sex in a temple and/or males having sex in a woman's bed.
And so on and on. The only thing the Bible got wrong is - when men sexually abusing children - it also condemns young victims of sexual molestation. In Corinthians 6:9-10 boy prostitutes - Paul believed - will go to Hell because of their behavior on Earth. Boy prostitutes were often a boy or male youth who was kept as a sexual partner/slave of an adult male. BTW. google "dancing boys of Afghanistan" or bacha bazi.
southern 74 | 7,074
13 Sep 2010 #87
"At Gibeon Joshua asked God to cause the sun and moon to stand still, so that he could finish the battle in daylight"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua
Ironside 53 | 12,424
13 Sep 2010 #88
Tolerance is a question of a social- economic dynamic and changes in time!

A great many of people (not Christian's thinks they're better than other people:)

yet, the priests have been the worst abusers of them all.

hum?!taking in riddles ?

but many priest or preachers do condemn single mom's.. etc.

eh? I don't think so, but let assume that they do, and ? if a single mother isn't religious there no problem, if she is religious - its not business of yours!
plk123 8 | 4,142
14 Sep 2010 #89
faux newz paint the left to be extreme, when it isn't necessarily.

I only swallow the truth.

the truth as spoon fed to you by fauzx, limbo, beck.. right on.. lol

A great many of people (not Christian's thinks they're better than other people:)

you're working with bad assumptions, as always.

hum?!taking in riddles ?

not a riddle but if it seems to you then go ahead and solve it.. it's not really all that hard.
Ironside 53 | 12,424
14 Sep 2010 #90
you're working with bad assumptions, as always.

or maybe you're making bad assumptions and generalisation ? think about it!

not a riddle but if it seems to you then go ahead and solve it.. it's not really all that hard.

well, do you have any proof of your words, or you just - feel so? )


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