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The rising costs of food and fuel in Poland and the effects on disposable income/economy


guesswho 4 | 1,289
19 Jan 2011 #121
but walking in NYC can take forever!

well, people still walk a lot in NYC

Here some good news:

treehugger.com/files/2011/01/toyota-electric-motor-doesnt-require-china-rare-earth.php
convex 20 | 3,978
19 Jan 2011 #122
yes,maybe, to fill in the gap for the Poles who left for Germany because they were sick of working for 2 euros an hour.

There is no minimum wage in Germany for most manual labor jobs.
Wroclaw Boy
19 Jan 2011 #123
Put some fuel in the car today and i can confirm that Orlen are currently charging 4.95 PLN / liter of unleaded 95. ON Diesel comes in at 4.69 PLN.

4.95 PLN = £1.07 or 1.27 EUR or $ (actually forget the US gallon)
poland_
19 Jan 2011 #124
There is no minimum wage in Germany

That is correct according to this table: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country
convex 20 | 3,978
19 Jan 2011 #125
Put some fuel in the car today and i can confirm that Orlen are currently charging 4.95 PLN / liter of unleaded 95. ON Diesel comes in at 4.69 PLN.

Is yours supercharged? Do you know if you can run LPG in a supercharged engine?

That is correct according to this table:

Most licensed professions have a minimum wage depending on which union you're a member of....but unions aren't that popular in the "under the table labor job market".

Now that said, when you get done paying for rent and transportation, those workers might be better off staying in Poland..
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
19 Jan 2011 #126
4.95 PLN = £1.07 or 1.27 EUR or $ (actually forget the US gallon)

So only about 5-10p cheaper per litre than here in the UK. Though I have seen some stupid prices such as £1.56per litre.

Is yours supercharged? Do you know if you can run LPG in a supercharged engine?

Yes they can, but if it's not done properly then it can be extremely dangerous. We converted our old Excaliburs and Tiffanys to LPG.
Wroclaw Boy
19 Jan 2011 #127
Do you know if you can run LPG in a supercharged engine?

Putting LPG vapour through a Supercharger will tend to dry out any lubricant in the rotor bearings which will end in Supercharger seizure sometime down the line. If such siezure does occur, it might just result in the snapping of the drive belt and a hefty bill for a new Supercharger unit. It could also result in a bill for a new engine if any broken Supercharger fragments are inducted.

We are not speaking of a friendly little pop now and again, more like an eventual (inevitable) explosion of large enough magnitude to take the Bonnet (and maybe even the Driver) with it.

the only way a Turbocharged or Supercharged engine can be converted properly (safely) is
by using a correctly selected and installed multi point injection system.

So only about 5-10p cheaper per litre than here in the UK.

The rule of thumb used to be around 15% - 20% cheaper in Poland depending on the exchange rate. The last couple of years its been all over the place. I remember Feb last year the Zloty hit 4.15 to the £1.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
19 Jan 2011 #128
4.95 PLN = £1.07 or 1.27 EUR or $ (actually forget the US gallon)

wow, here it's $2.99 a gallon today. So you guys pay $6.52 a gallon.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
19 Jan 2011 #129
The rule of thumb used to be around 15% - 20% cheaper in Poland depending on the exchange rate. The last couple of years its been all over the place. I remember Feb last year the Zloty hit 4.15 to the £1.

Ah the good olde days when I could take 7pln for my £1, shame those days are in the past. Where is Milky when I need some hope of an impending economic meltdown in Poland, I've been waiting years for this to happen :D
Wroclaw Boy
19 Jan 2011 #130
wow, here it's $2.99 a gallon today

yeh, you said that before on this thread.

If the US gov could get away with whacking some tax on that, would really help the deficit.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
19 Jan 2011 #131
yeh, you said that before on this thread.

it changes though (it hasn't since about a week but usually it does every 2-3 days)

If the US gov could get away with whacking some tax on that, would really help the deficit.

even better would be to quit helping other countries as long as we need to help ourselves.
OP milky 13 | 1,657
19 Jan 2011 #132
Well the pay is sh1t looads more than Poland.

worldsalaries.org/germany.shtml
Wroclaw Boy
19 Jan 2011 #133
it changes though (it hasn't since about a week but usually it does every 2-3 days)

It changes everywhere but i dont think its something that requires a daily update. I'm not about to start watching fuel prices like a stock broker. Unless there's massive fluctuations.

even better would be to quit helping other countries as long as we need to help ourselves.

Just cut aid? Come on that all sounds rosey but a few % tax increases here and there will pay dividends later.
poland_
19 Jan 2011 #134
It changes everywhere but i dont think its something that requires a daily update

Does anyone remember the cost of petrol in PL when it hit, $ 150 a barrel back in 2008.

.............

Alaska oil reserves expert Lindsey Williams informed that he’d learned recently from two of this longtime friends, both retired top executives of major oil producers, that the price of crude oil, now rising again, is slated to move to $150-200 per barrel soon.
grubas 12 | 1,391
19 Jan 2011 #135
Ethanol. Brazil is energy independent due to ethanol and Sweden is big on ethanol also.

Ethanol is not an answer.

You can virtually make it out of anything

At the cost of?

it has superior burn characteristics in the engine.

No it doesn't.Engine running on ethanol is about one third LESS efficient than engine running on gasoline.
Trevek 26 | 1,702
19 Jan 2011 #136
just filling out my kilometres for the week and began asking myself why the km rate for tax hasn't changed even though fuel prices have jumped.
Wroclaw Boy
19 Jan 2011 #137
Hey, two friends or two countries, doesn't matter.

Global politics doesnt work that way GW. It would be great if it did, its all about global power, MONEY, being the predominate factor but lately and even more important are resources. The future of nations depends on their resources and accessibility to them.

The powers that be will indeed enslave nations in order to capitalise on resources the same way you would swap a barbie doll for a marble.

I'm sorry but the world just doesnt work the way you see it, America, Europe, Asia theyre all the same one no better than the other. All striving for the same things.
poland_
20 Jan 2011 #138
Should the government introduce a food price stabilization policy? I ask because rising petrol prices have led to a campaign to drop the planned increase in fuel duty, and to introduce a fuel price stabilizer. But this raises the question: why should the government stabilize petrol but not food prices?
I ask because, for the average family, it is food prices - more than petrol - that is squeezing their living standards. This is because food has a greater weight in spending than petrol (9.6% vs. 4.1%), and so food's 4.9% increase in the last 12 months has raised CPI inflation by more than petrol's 10.1% rise.

stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/stumbling_and_mumbling/2011/01/which-to-stabilize-food-or-petrol.html
OP milky 13 | 1,657
21 Jan 2011 #139
"Something" needs to be done; a significant number of Polish people are on the bread-line; meanwhile back at the parliament, Tusk is sitting on his hands, while the opposition are still (cryblaming)crying over the plane crash and crosses( The daft in the west are passively wrong, while the daft in the east are passionately wrong). The Polish need to wake up to the 21st century and leave the dark ages behind.
AJAY 2 | 5
9 Apr 2011 #140
Can any person advice for 120 km running everyday what fuel is cheaper in car and what are the cost?
poland_
9 Apr 2011 #141
Buy a vehicle that already has a gas conversion.
AJAY 2 | 5
10 Apr 2011 #142
But what will be the cost of gas for 120 km daily
delphiandomine 83 | 17,905
10 Apr 2011 #143
It's impossble to say - tell us where to/from and I can tell you.

Depends on the car, too.
AJAY 2 | 5
13 Apr 2011 #144
Dear delphiandomine,

Thanks. From Poznan to Wrzesnia. I know it depned on car. Take a normal car which a medium class person afford.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,905
13 Apr 2011 #145
Depends where about in Poznan you're commuting from, but let's say that you're living in the Polanka estate (probably the best location for someone like you). If so, I'd assume about 50zl daily for commuting - or if you use the motorway (though there's not much point when driving to Wresznia) - 76zl.
AJAY 2 | 5
15 Apr 2011 #146
Dear delphiandomine,

You are saying for 120 KM from Gas operated car the cost will be 50zl daily. What is motorway is it two wheelear?
OP milky 13 | 1,657
17 May 2011 #147
Between the property bubble, petrol prices,unemployment and 2 euro an hr minimum wage, how is Poland keeping its head above the water?
Stu 12 | 522
17 May 2011 #148
milky, you sound like a broken record.

Several posters on PF have shown us unequivocally that there is no property bubble. Now, the fact that other posters don't react, doesn't mean they didn't read the entries and have made up their own mind, having had a look at the links others have provided.

Your insistence that their is a property bubble while others have shown again and again that there isn't, makes you look like someone with a chip on your shoulder at best and a complete idiot at worst.
f stop 25 | 2,513
17 May 2011 #149
Harry, you got anything invested in Polish real estate?
Harry
17 May 2011 #150
Not unless you count the flat where I live. I don't view that so much as an investment as a reduction of costs (I take the approach of why pay rent when pretty much the same sum when paid to the bank as repayment and interest leads to one owning the property eventually) and also, if I wanted to sell it, I'd still need to live somewhere!


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