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The rising costs of food and fuel in Poland and the effects on disposable income/economy


BBman - | 344
17 Jan 2011 #61
Well it's simple. Poles spend more money on fuel and less on other things! Also, I don't think most Poles don't commute as far to work as many Americans or Canadians.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
17 Jan 2011 #62
I don't think most Poles don't commute as far to work as many Americans or Canadians.

True, America and Canada are massive compared to Europe.
OP milky 13 | 1,657
17 Jan 2011 #63
Well it's simple. Poles spend more money on fuel and less on other things!

Thats a mountain of information,,its all sorted now..
guesswho 4 | 1,289
17 Jan 2011 #64
$1.66 per litre or $6.29 per US gallon

wow, I guess we better quit bit*hing about our gas prices then
convex 20 | 3,978
17 Jan 2011 #65
Thats a mountain of information,,its all sorted now..

Don't know what you're looking for. Poles are having to quit their jobs and sell their xboxes for gas money? Have to cut back on food spending? Have to take out loans to pay for fuel?

Which answer are you looking for?

wow, I guess we better quit bit*hing about our gas prices then

But, when it spiked in the US, it went up really fast (and dropped fast as well) as opposed to the gradual "slow rape" over here.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
17 Jan 2011 #66
Which answer are you looking for?

just answer them all to be on the safe side ;-)

But, when it spiked in the US, it went up really fast (and dropped fast as well) as opposed to the gradual "slow rape" over here.

Do they ever drop their gas prices there? I'll be honest, I've never paid attention to it when I was there.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
17 Jan 2011 #67
Which answer are you looking for?

Milky is always talking down Poland, how crap things are here and how expensive things are.
Misery loves company.
convex 20 | 3,978
17 Jan 2011 #68
Do they ever drop their gas prices there? I'll be honest, I've never paid attention to it when I was there.

It's not near as dramatic as in the US. I mean, even taking into account that fuel prices changing in Europe by .01 is the equivalent of a nearly .04 change in the US, they still don't fluctuate as drastically as over there.

An overnight .20 change in say Germany, would be pretty dramatic.
OP milky 13 | 1,657
17 Jan 2011 #69
will let you know when i have happy thoughts,,Sean.
poland_
17 Jan 2011 #70
I have to face it, for the foreseeable future I will be in Poland

Dito, when I look at the whole package from a cost perspective, it is better for my family to be in Poland. If you are flexible enough, you can always adjust to life's challenges.

" Moss don't grow on a rolling stone"
guesswho 4 | 1,289
17 Jan 2011 #71
An overnight .20 change in say Germany, would be pretty dramatic.

When I think for a second, that you guys pay 50% + more for a gallon, I really like our gas prices (especially driving a hybrid car).
convex 20 | 3,978
17 Jan 2011 #72
The money is squeezed out of the tax payer in other ways in the US. Toll roads, drunk driving laws, all kinds of licensing. Different ways of bending you over and doing the same thing to you.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
17 Jan 2011 #73
$1.66 per litre or $6.29 per US gallon

Petrol prices in Europe are insane it shouldn't be more than $2-2.50 per gallon for regular.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387
17 Jan 2011 #74
when u have paid for your petrol keep back a few zł to pay the road tolls, which may be introduced in the wroclaw area. (on the... it took twenty years and is still not finished bypass)
guesswho 4 | 1,289
17 Jan 2011 #75
The money is squeezed out of the tax payer in other ways in the US.

Yes we have to pay taxes here. Don't you guys pay taxes over there? No hidden costs in Poland? No "different ways of bending you over" there?

when u have paid for your petrol keep back a few zł to pay the road tolls, which may be introduced in the wroclaw area. (on the... it took twenty years and is still not finished bypass)

oh, here we go convex. That already answers some of my questions above.
convex 20 | 3,978
17 Jan 2011 #76
Yes we have to pay taxes here? Don't you guys pay taxes over there? No hidden costs in Poland? No "different ways of bending you over" there?

Of course, like I said, you get screwed over the same, just in different positions.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
17 Jan 2011 #77
it took twenty years and is still not finished

Sounds like the Ryugyong Hotel in North Korea LOL

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel
jwojcie 2 | 763
17 Jan 2011 #78
Well, lets look at this from different perspective: in case of global fuel and price inflation Poles are better prepared because of less suburbia and more small agriculture ;-)

Seriously less suburbia thing can be an answer for you, regardless of still growing city crawl Polish cities are rather tight. Bright side of it is that if you don't use a car for whatever reason there is no problem to get where you need, at least in bigger cities.

Secondly, commieblocks are not so bad... ;-) House is nice things, but so many thing to care for... including a car...
guesswho 4 | 1,289
17 Jan 2011 #79
Of course, like I said, you get screwed over the same, just in different positions.

and since we both get screwed over anyway, at least I have to pay less for a gas so in a way, I feel like I'm getting screwed over a little less. If I have to choose between two imperfect things, I choose the one that is a little bit less imperfect. (Of course it's a matter of taste).
Wroclaw Boy
17 Jan 2011 #80
because of less suburbia

Absolutely, the very thought of not owning a car in America, its just absurd not to drive absolutely everywhere.

Who in America actually walks out of their house and waits at the bus stop? walks or cycles to work? takes a train?
guesswho 4 | 1,289
17 Jan 2011 #81
it happens a lot in NYC for example.
peterweg 36 | 2,317
17 Jan 2011 #82
Petrol prices in Europe are insane it shouldn't be more than $2-2.50 per gallon for regular.

Its not really an issue as you don't have to drive very far to get everything you need. In fact you don't need to drive at all in most cities. In the US, you need cheap petrol and most of the money goes to the petrol companies. Europeans prefer the money to go in taxes and stop the Oil giants and ME countries taking the profit.

Petrol in the UK is cheaper than the USA, the difference is entirely tax, the oil companies make very little profit.

Personally i live in Krakow and don't have a car. Every week I take a Taxi, 11-13zl. So the petrol price is irrelevant.
skibum 8 | 62
17 Jan 2011 #83
Anyone know why LPG prices have risen so much recently.

Compared to petrol and Diesel the increases have been massive.

I'm now paying 35% more per litre than I was in May 2010 - 1.97pln compared to now at 2.68pln
guesswho 4 | 1,289
17 Jan 2011 #84
Petrol in the UK is cheaper than the USA

are you sure?

ukgasprice.com/fuel-prices-uk-vs-usa-2
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
18 Jan 2011 #85
I think he means "wholesale", the price we pay at the pumps is far higher than you do because of higher taxation here. I just put £15 worth of petrol in my car,it gave me an extra 90 miles!!!!!10 years ago I could fill my first car for £30 :(
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
18 Jan 2011 #86
wow, I guess we better quit bit*hing about our gas prices then

We will as soon as they are $1.40 a gallon. In some countries the govt subsidizes gas so it's around .50 a gallon. We should strive to be like them.
Chicago Pollock 7 | 504
18 Jan 2011 #87
* what do Americans call 'gas' not petrol but gas?

Americans call petrol "gas" or "gasoline". Currently averaging about $3.15/gallon. Price difference to Europe is mainly taxes.

Most gas in the US of A is 10% ethanol which is usually approx. 10 cents a gallon cheaper.

We also have E-85, which is 85% ethanol. This sells at quite a discount, $2.54/gallon.

The gas that you are referring to is Natural Gas or Nat Gas. Which is what we use to cook with and heat our homes. Not too many use Nat gas for transportation except maybe commercial fleet operators. LP gas is propane. This was more popular in the 1970's, last gas crisis.

When I was in England last (2006?) I rented a car and diesel was popular. Diesel in the states is mainly truck fuel, $3.75/gallon.
sledz 23 | 2,250
18 Jan 2011 #88
Who in America actually walks out of their house and waits at the bus stop? walks or cycles to work? takes a train?

Millions and millions of people on a daily basis, theres no need to drive in any decent sized city.

are you sure?

Maybe that explains why they drive those teeny weenie little cars over there?
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
18 Jan 2011 #89
of course the gas prices are too high and Poland is expansive.

I am surprised that those who live here (Poland) don't see it.

On top of that if I drove a car to work, I would be always late trying to look for a parking spot down town - it is quite painful at the moment and it not going to improve since every Pole thinks that riving a car is a sing of his status.

That is why Poles drive on expensive gas, not to mention the fact that public transport is not sufficient in most cities. City planning is going down hill in Polish cities as well.
OP milky 13 | 1,657
18 Jan 2011 #90
of course the gas prices are too high and Poland is expansive.

I am surprised that those who live here (Poland) don't see it.

The know,dont worry,they are just playing games.


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