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Is Poland a poor country?


jon357 63 | 14,714
21 Jun 2012 #151
If anything, the other way round.
grubas 12 | 1,391
21 Jun 2012 #152
Really Jon?Guess what,the rest of Poland can do just fine without Warsaw but Warsaw without the rest of Poland is NOTHING.
jon357 63 | 14,714
21 Jun 2012 #153
Really? I think you'd have a pretty hard time proving that, especially since Warsaw is the economic powerhouse of the country. The provinces have never been able to manage much by themselves.
sofijufka 2 | 191
21 Jun 2012 #154
Really Jon?Guess what,the rest of Poland can do just fine without Warsaw but Warsaw without the rest of Poland is NOTHING.

don't you know, what 'janosikowe' is?
grubas 12 | 1,391
21 Jun 2012 #155
I think you'd have a pretty hard time proving that, especially since Warsaw is the economic powerhouse of the country.

Yeah,with 2 milion inhabitans Warsaw is trully an "economic powerhouse" of 38 milion nation.Nope,bunch of crooks in suits robbing provinces of money,that's what they are.
jon357 63 | 14,714
21 Jun 2012 #156
No crooks in suits any more than you can find provincial wide Boys. Just competent people with much needed access to global markets. Or perhaps you'd like to close the Stock Exchange, the various company headquarters, the diplomatic missions etc and have a return to the PRL. At least then you'd have a guaranteed job instead of unemployment.
Harry
21 Jun 2012 #157
One might say that the real crooks and the people responsible for Poland being poorer than she should be are the people who cheat the welfare system here.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
21 Jun 2012 #158
One just might say that but vest majority subscribe to Grubas opinion.
grubas 12 | 1,391
21 Jun 2012 #159
The provinces have never been able to manage much by themselves.

Oh,thanks for explaining me why they don't want us in Wielkopolska and Śląsk to become independent.Now,it's all clear to me,we are not able to manage ourselves.Well,tell them not to worry,we will be fine without sending money to [i]Warszawka[/i.]
jon357 63 | 14,714
21 Jun 2012 #160
What are you burbling on about? A Wielkopolska independence movement? Even in Slask there's very little support for independence. Unless you haven't noticed, the Greater Warsaw region is as economically self sufficient as it can be - ,ore so than anywhere out in the sticks, and remarkable how much industrial and agricultural output it has, given the distance from Poland's main export market.

Out of interest, if the region you live in is doing so well, where are you working now?
grubas 12 | 1,391
21 Jun 2012 #161
What are you burbling on about? A Wielkopolska independence movement?

You never heard of Ruch Autonomii Wielkopolski? and autonomy will be a start.

Out of interest, if the region you live in is doing so well, where are you working now?

We and Śląsk don't need Warsiawka for anything.You know we have a saying Od Konina Azja się zaczyna.
jon357 63 | 14,714
21 Jun 2012 #162
You never heard of Ruch Autonomii Wielkopolski?

Got many members, have they? Out of interest, who pays your welfare? The Warsaw based state or the regions?
Wroclaw Boy
21 Jun 2012 #163
exactly. So no matter what your personal beliefs are- it doesn't count for crap when the rest of the world follows a different ideology.

With that kind of attitude blacks would still be segregated and women wouldnt be allowed to vote.
Harry
21 Jun 2012 #164
Unless you haven't noticed, the Greater Warsaw region is as economically self sufficient as it can be - ,ore so than anywhere out in the sticks, and remarkable how much industrial and agricultural output it has, given the distance from Poland's main export market.

I’d love to see a break-down for the regions showing average tax paid per inhabitant in each region and amount spent by government (national and local) per inhabitant in each region. Does anybody know where I might find such information? I’d be very much guessing that Varsovians pay a hell of a lot more in tax than they receive in government spending. Just part of the reason for that is there there is no weighting on certain civil service positions. For example, a teacher in Warsaw earns the same wage as a teacher in Poland’s poorest places (the difference is that in those places one can live on that but in Warsaw it doesn’t even pay for ones flat).
teflcat 5 | 1,032
21 Jun 2012 #165
For example, a teacher in Warsaw earns the same wage as a teacher in Poland’s poorest places (the difference is that in those places one can live on that but in Warsaw it doesn’t even pay for ones flat).

I know a lot of teachers in my region and few of them can live decently on their salary. In fact I don't know a single teacher who doesn't take private students. As for uni teachers, the pay is abysmal. There's no way I could live on my pay, which just covers the repayments on a loan I took to buy a modest second-hand car a while ago.
holofernes
21 Jun 2012 #166
What are you burbling on about?

Out of interest, who pays your welfare?

What's the deal with this forum? If anyone disagrees with these British primadonnas they may be called "burblers" and be accused of being on welfare? May Grubas be treated this way because the British moderator named Wroclaw doesn't like him? You need to reign in these angry dogs.
Harry
21 Jun 2012 #167
I know a lot of teachers in my region and few of them can live decently on their salary. In fact I don't know a single teacher who doesn't take private students.

I don’t know any who don’t take private students either. My point was that 1800zl in somewhere like Slupsk will pay for a half-decent two-room flat and bills and have a grand left over for living. Not much of a life but possible at least. Here in Warsaw 1800zl isn’t even going to pay for a half-decent two-room flat.

be accused of being on welfare?

Nobody is accusing him of being on welfare: he came on here and boasted about that himself.

May Grubas be treated this way because the British moderator named Wroclaw doesn't like him?

If he didn't spam these boards so much with his myriad of different usernames, he might be treated better.
jon357 63 | 14,714
21 Jun 2012 #168
I don’t know any who don’t take private students either

When I was teaching here, I never did. Too much trouble and I like my evenings free.

word

Hi Dessie. In this case the poster in question is claiming that his region of Poland is economically productive enough to declare independence while at the same time avoiding the fact tha it is so economically unproductive that he can't actually find a job there. He probably wouldnt be the only one, would he?

And sometimes immigrants (whether from the UK or elsewhere) have a clearer perspective on the realities of their adopted home than the aboriginal inhabitants, especially those who spend most of their time elsewhere and find they can't actually make much of a go of it here.

Try harder next time.
ardento
21 Jun 2012 #169
Poland is poor as a moth...r, You wanna know why? Because the Polish gov couldn't make any progress in past. Ex. German MP or France MP make pressure on Polish MP not to increase level of polish people life. Increasing of living standards or GDP growth is a direct danger to german or france or UK economy. This was a short version of my story. If You want to know what is real or fake. Just dig deeper the internet.

Poland is and will be under pressure of other western UE countries. So we are poor, and You French, German are rich.
Maybe it could change if WW3 will begin, and Poland will join Russia to conquer rest of EU.
Harry
21 Jun 2012 #170
When I was teaching here, I never did. Too much trouble and I like my evenings free.

Yes, but you were never a state school teacher here (were you?).

In this case the poster in question is claiming that his region of Poland is economically productive enough to declare independence while at the same time avoiding the fact tha it is so economically unproductive that he can't actually find a job there.

It isn't actually that unproductive (although it is unproductive enough that its inhabitants would suffer a significant drop in living standard if they did try to go their own way).

Hi Dessie.

Got to wonder why he constantly changes his username but never changes what he posts or how he posts it.
jon357 63 | 14,714
21 Jun 2012 #171
That sums it up pretty well, really - no region is in a position to go it alone.
holofernes
21 Jun 2012 #172
In this case the poster in question is claiming that his region of Poland is economically productive enough to declare independence while at the same time avoiding the fact tha it is so economically unproductive that he can't actually find a job there. He probably wouldnt be the only one, would he?

So you believe that Grubas' supposed personal situation is fair game for attacking the veracity of his posted position. Well then we may do the same with statements of yours.

sometimes immigrants (whether from the UK or elsewhere) have a clearer perspective on the realities of their adopted home than the aboriginal inhabitants

Sometimes immigrants that believe that they are better perceivers of the reality of their new homeland than the aboriginals are really just ill-adapted British guys resenting Polish difference, and so they spend all their free time on a discusion forum in a pathetic attempt to get revenge on the Polish "peasants" that ire them so, and Jon357 wouldn't be the only one, would he? We are looking at you Harry.
pawian 168 | 11,175
21 Jun 2012 #173
slavia

Compared to Luxembourg, Poland is poor.

Compared to Ukraine, Poland is rich.

The answer is: yes and no. Simple.
jon357 63 | 14,714
21 Jun 2012 #174
Sometimes immigrants that believe that they are better perceivers of the reality of their new homeland than the aboriginals are really just ill-adapted British guys resenting Polish difference, and so they spend all their free time on a discusion forum in a pathetic attempt to get revenge on the Polish "peasants" that ire them so, and Jon357 wouldn't be the only one, would he? We are looking at you Harry.

Now that's all very interesting, but in your experience, is Poland a rich, poor or middle income country?

My own feeling is that it's one of the richer places in the world, compared with so many other countries on our planet.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,915
22 Jun 2012 #175
Sometimes immigrants that believe that they are better perceivers of the reality of their new homeland than the aboriginals are really just ill-adapted British guys resenting Polish difference, and so they spend all their free time on a discusion forum in a pathetic attempt to get revenge on the Polish "peasants" that ire them so, and Jon357 wouldn't be the only one, would he? We are looking at you Harry.

Could you perhaps elaborate on why, as a person who hasn't spent much (if any) time in Poland, why you think that our observations have any bearing on the statistical reality of Polish incomes?
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
22 Jun 2012 #176
My own feeling is that it's one of the richer places in the world, compared with so many other countries on our planet.

There is a website where you put in your yearly income, the city you live in(so as to take cost of living into consideration), your marital status, debts etc and it posts up your position on the "worlds wealthiest people" table.

Quite an eye opener when you do it.

Il try and root the site out It was posted on an Irish political message board I frequent.
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
22 Jun 2012 #177
Compared to Luxembourg, Poland is poor.

Compared to Ukraine, Poland is rich.

The answer is: yes and no. Simple.

Spot on!
jon357 63 | 14,714
22 Jun 2012 #178
There's a lot of truth in that. I'd add that compared to Ethiopia, Pakistan and Laos, it's very rich indeed.
Harry
22 Jun 2012 #179
you believe that Grubas' supposed personal situation is fair game for attacking the veracity of his posted position.

Given that his personal situation is entirely one of choice and one which he boasts about while expecting those of us who choose to pay tax to fund his lifestyle choices, yes, we are perfectly entitled to point out that it is Varsovian taxpayers who subsidise a region which he claims funds Warsaw. But then in all countries the poorer regions are subsidised by the richer ones.

just ill-adapted British guys resenting Polish difference, and so they spend all their free time on a discusion forum in a pathetic attempt to get revenge on the Polish "peasants" that ire them so, and Jon357 wouldn't be the only one, would he? We are looking at you Harry.

I would very much imagine that if Jon resented Poles or disliked them, he wouldn’t choose to live amongst them. As for myself, if I didn’t like Poles I’d probably have never come here to work for a year helping them and I’d certainly not have stayed here for the best part of two decades.
Betty - | 5
22 Jun 2012 #180
I don't think so. How do you define poor anyway?


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