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Tacitus 2 | 877
2 Nov 2018  #121
AIDS is also an African invention

I am sure the native Americans are particulary greatful to Europeans who exposed them to so many diseases that killed up to 90% of them.

You are in a way fortunate Rich. If I remember correctly, you claimed to be a grandfather, so you likely won't live long enough to see the world change against your viewpoint.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,145
2 Nov 2018  #122
I am sure the native Americans are... grateful to Europeans who exposed them to so many diseases that killed up to 90% of them.

If they were smart they would be armed and would kill every European before the task became too hard. In that contest, the smart ones won.
Spike31 2 | 877
2 Nov 2018  #123
Don't be so hasty with your conclusions, Tacitus.

The political pendulum swings back and forth.

It was on the left side for quite a long time now and it's slowly moving back to the right side

I believe that Germans calls that a Zeitgeist
Tacitus 2 | 877
2 Nov 2018  #124
I was referring to the view that White People were the driving force behind most innovation. That has beeb true for some time, but is likely to change within the next decades. Especially China does everything to become a scientific powerhouse and leader in key technologies like artificial intelligence.
Spike31 2 | 877
2 Nov 2018  #125
China so far has based their impressive growth on Western technologies and on manufacturing Western products.

The whole Chinese society is based on Confucianism which favors collectivism and doesn't value individualism. And the individualism is a driving force behind innovation.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,145
2 Nov 2018  #126
You forgot commercial theft, military espionage, and their protectionist practices, which, of course, would be called "trade wars" if practiced by the US.
Tacitus 2 | 877
2 Nov 2018  #127
China so far has based their impressive growth on Western technologies and on manufacturing Western products.

Yes, so far. But they have almost caught up to us. They now have modern education system, a large population to produce scientists and a government that is willing to spend the necessary ressources to see it done. It might still take a while, but those factors will eventually have an impact.

And the individualism is a driving force behind innovation.

You are right. That is the one advantage which I hope will grant Western societies an edge over China, that being said, how much it will matter is not really predictable. Japan also places a lot of value on collectivism, and they have become a very innovative society. In any case, the days when the West (and Japan) dominated the scientific world are numbered.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,145
2 Nov 2018  #128
That is the one advantage which I hope will grant Western societies an edge over China

...which the US forfeited at the altar of individual greed as exemplified by the political wh***s turn "consultants" aiding and abetting our trading enemies. In China, that would be treason. As far as I know and hope, they execute traitors.
Lyzko 20 | 6,339
2 Nov 2018  #129
@Rich, what you and people who think (or don't think) like you have forgotten is that it is WE whites who establish the standard for other whites to follow.

Were we black, Aboriginal or Innuits, our standard might well be very different, not "better", not "worse", but different......very different.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,145
2 Nov 2018  #130
Your suggested subjectivity can explain only so much and go only so far. There are objective measures. We already discussed that so I will show a remarkable retrain and will not repeat it.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,267
2 Nov 2018  #131
turn "consultants"

The most popular job for mbas. About a quarter to a third of mba grads, depending on school, go into consulting. Easy jobs and pays pretty damn good.

But thats basically what consultants do. They share what theyve learned at other corps, combine it with the knowledge theyve learned in grad school, then companys hire them usually on a contract or they hire a firm like Deloitte who then sends out the appropriate consultants.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,145
3 Nov 2018  #132
The most popular job for mbas.

I think you missed my point. I wrote "consultants", not consultants, for a reason. Not the same thing.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,267
3 Nov 2018  #133
Its the same job essentially. Only difference is the industry they go into and how they got there. Some bc of their previous role and the network they developed some bc of corporate experience and an mba just depends. Many politicians go into lobbying or consulting which share many similarities. Lobbyists get paid a fairly small salary but if they get some deal pushed through theyll get a 6 or even 7 figure check as a bonus. But yes some do consult/lobby for foreign governments, corps, industry groups/think tanks, etc.

A lot of higher level campaign workers and some politicisns go into political consulting too..
TheOther 5 | 3,716
3 Nov 2018  #134
consulting. Easy jobs

Easy job? LOL! Work for one of the top 10 consulting firms and tell me if you got away with under 10 to 12 hours a day and living in a hotel for most of the week. Consulting is one of the hardest and most stressful jobs out there, which is the reason why only younger folk (25 to 40) are able to survive in that field.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,267
3 Nov 2018  #135
Im well aware of what a consultant does, i worked as one on a contract from 2016 to early 2018 bc of my b2b tech sales experience (mostly iot, gps, software). There was a mandate affecting the entire trucking industry and i worked for a company that sells devices and accompanying software for trucks.

And yes 10 hour days are the norm. A few months before and after the eld mandate launched i was doing 12 14 hour days. Nonstop travel and sitting with the vps till midnight even sometimes going through paperwork. It was great while it lasted but it was something i knew would be short term. Once the mandate passed and the companies are compliant things slowed to a crawl.

Now im focusing on construction as the industry has picked up like crazy since trump got settled in. People are fixing their homes like never before. Im working now to get our company certified with tesla so that whenever buys a tesla in my area well get first dibs on installing the chargers in their garage, - running 3 aug wire, new box, putting in 220 volt outlets, etc. Pays well bc so few people know how to do it properly.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,145
3 Nov 2018  #136
Im well aware of what a consultant does,

I have no problem with consultants. I have a problem with the who*es - the ex-politicians turn "consultants" peddling influence to the benefit of our enemies like China and to the detriment of the US or the American companies.
TheOther 5 | 3,716
3 Nov 2018  #137
the ex-politicians turn "consultants"

These are not consultants, but lobbyists. Worse than cockroaches.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,145
3 Nov 2018  #138
You are correct. I should have used that term.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,267
4 Nov 2018  #139
Thankfully they havent crossed into poland. There's lobbyists but nothing like the us. Most lobbyists dont really care about the cause country industry etc. They just want a paycheck like everyone else.
Rich Mazur 5 | 3,145
4 Nov 2018  #140
So do spies. Becoming a lobbyist after serving in the US government in any capacity should be a felony. Just like revealing the name of a CIA agent.
Slavictor 8 | 200
18 Dec 2018  #141
Satire and humour dissolves political correctness. It's the reason why Marxists can never laugh at themselves.
OP pawian 157 | 8,627
11 May 2019  #142
The rules of political correctness can be so insonsistent in Poland. They stopped calling Roma people gypsies but look at this: Black radish called Murzynka - Black Female. (my fav veg to sow in the field).

Another example: Murzynek cake - Black Boy.

Are they controvercial today? The names of these articles are traditional Polish words for black people. Should they be changed? What to?





Lyzko 20 | 6,339
11 May 2019  #143
In Germany, they've got "Negerkuesse", so what? Same difference:-)
OP pawian 157 | 8,627
11 May 2019  #144
That is fascinating. If you didn`t tell us, I would think they dropped the term long ago.
Lyzko 20 | 6,339
12 May 2019  #145
Here in the States, "Aunt Jemima Pancake Mix" along with "Uncle Ben's Converted Rice" boxes STILL as we speak, both have faces
of blacks as iconic emblems with which to sell their products!

We've all but banned lawn jockeys, should we then ban the above food packaging as well?
:-)
kaprys 2 | 1,683
12 May 2019  #146
There's a whole thread about the usage of word 'murzynek' in Polish.
IMHO, the word isn't racist at all.

As for using the word 'cyganie', I guess it's still used in Polish.
Lyzko 20 | 6,339
12 May 2019  #147
Sometimes too much older Americans will ask a salesman to "chew the price down a bit", meaning of course, to make the item less costly. The reference seems innocent enough, although even younger people with elderly relatives in the rural US will probably identify this expression as a euphemism for "to JEW the price down", a clearly anti-Semitic reference to the fallacy that all Jewish people are looking to get something for either dirt cheap or even free.

"Murzynek" I've also seen used in a dictionary meaning things other than the above reference. Up until the 19th century in Poland, a Polish gentleman whom I know and who lives not far from us in New Jersey, once remarked that "Zydowka" didn't only mean a Jewish woman (earlier English "a Jewess"), but in slang of that period, was even used to refer in a derogatory fashion to a prostitute!

Naturally, the latter reference is entirely lost on your generation, save for meeting somebody who's over two-hundred or so years old!!
LOL
kaprys 2 | 1,683
12 May 2019  #148
@Lyzko
Do you mind giving us a source for your claim that the word ┼╝ydowka meant prostitute? Like a definition from a dictionary or something, not something you 'heard' from a 'friend'. I'very tried to look for any source claiming so and failed but I'm sure you know one.

We all know about shiksa but zydowka meaning prostitute? Oh, those bloody antisemitic Poles.
OP pawian 157 | 8,627
12 May 2019  #149
There's a whole thread about the usage of word 'murzynek' in Polish. IMHO, the word isn't racist at all.

Yes, even some politicians bear the name Murzyn:



Lyzko 20 | 6,339
13 May 2019  #150
Common parlance heard in rural communities, kaprys, is scarcely admissible evidence now, is it?
Were I to ask you for your opinion regarding somebody and you were to run through a litany of nasty complaints or invectives
against that person, I'm not very likely going to ask you for "sources", but would in all probability take your word for it,
save for overwhelming evidence to the contrary:-)


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