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Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best?


TheOther 6 | 3,692
5 Apr 2012 #151
I am optimistic about it.

I wish Poland all the best, but as I've said already: look west (not only Germany, but everywhere) and you will see what happens if your country is not careful.

If your German Turks

Problem of Germany, not mine... ;)
We have a similar problem in Australia - not with Turks but with Lebanese.

sydney.edu.au/arts/peace_conflict/research/racism.shtml
lebanesechess.blogspot.com/2007/07/australias-lebanon-problem.html

Bringing a girl from Turkey to Poland would be like bringing coal from Manchester to Newcastle.

LOL!
But that's what many Turks/Kurds do - importing their future wifes, which are often cousins, from Turkey. They even observed an increase in genetic defects amongst the Turkish population in Berlin because of this behavior.

tagesspiegel.de/berlin/verwandtenehe-tuerken-sollen-sich-dem-problem-stellen/416396.html
OP pawian 182 | 16,861
5 Apr 2012 #152
We have a similar problem in Australia - not with Turks but with Lebanese.

Wow, every day I learn sth new. :):):):)

I wish Poland all the best, but as I've said already: look west (not only Germany, but everywhere) and you will see what happens if your country is not careful.

The Western countries were flooded with large waves of immigrants in the past. Germany - about 50.000 Turkish people every year.

1961 7,116 1986 1,425,721
1962 15,300 1987 1,481,369
1963 27,100 1988 1,523,678
1964 85,200 1989 1,612,632

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Germany

Poland will not receive such numbers so soon. Therefore, it will be easier for immigrants to adopt the Polish culture.

I don`t believe the following will happen in Poland during my lifetime:
Due to the geographic proximity of Germany and Turkey, cultural transfer and influence from the country of origin has remained considerable among the Turkish minority. Furthermore, the majority of second-generation Turks appear to have developed emotional and cultural ties to their parent's country and also to the country which they live in and intend to remain.[77] Most Turks live in two conflicting cultures with contrasting behaviour codes and patterns of belonging. At work or school, German culture tends to dominate, while during leisure time social networks divide along ethnic lines of the Turkish culture. In the first generation of migrants, social networks were almost exclusively Turkish, and now in the second and third generations this segregation line remains just as effective as ever.[
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
5 Apr 2012 #153
In the first generation of migrants, social networks were almost exclusively Turkish, and now in the second and third generations this segregation line remains just as effective as ever.[

The same could be said for non europeans in Malmo, London, Paris, Vienna, Brussels, Dublin, Bradford, Berlin, Luton, Stockholm, Copenhagen, I could continue.

But sure, yeah. It will be different in Poland. Sure it will. Sure.

Best of luck with that.
hansomreiste 3 | 24
5 Apr 2012 #154
Those people are seriously funny... I really wonder what you know about Turks and me.

Of course I want my children to learn my mother tongue and to know where Turkey is, Turkey's culture etc... But they will be living in Poland with their Polish mom, which makes them Polish enough for you. I want them to learn both languages and cultures very well.

They can choose whether being "Turk" or "Polish" as they wish when they are old enough. My wife and we will just teach them everything we know and it is their selection to be Turk or Polish.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
5 Apr 2012 #155
Of course I want my children to learn my mother tongue and to know where Turkey is, Turkey's culture etc... But they will be living in Poland with their Polish mom, which makes them Polish enough for you. I want them to learn both languages and cultures very well.

Does yer missus know you have all this planned it?

Shes probably practising now as you type!

The EU has circa 10 % unemployment. It doesnt need any more unskilled, impoverished non europeans!

Charity begins at home.
TheOther 6 | 3,692
6 Apr 2012 #156
I really wonder what you know about Turks

Do you really know what's going on in Europe? Before you come to the wrong conclusion that the comments about the Turks in Germany/ Europe were just another xenophobic diatribe, I would suggest that you educate yourself a little and read about the issues both Turks and host cultures are dealing with. There's plenty of information available on the web; for example...

hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-germany-clash-over-integration.aspx?pageID=438&n=turkey-germany-clash-over-integration-2011-03-01

...and it seems your country is no different when it comes to immigration:

hurriyetdailynews.com/turks-view-immigration-negatively-survey-says.aspx?pageID=438&n=turks-view-immigration-negatively-survey-says-2011-08-24
Szenk88HTAFC 2 | 47
6 Apr 2012 #157
Poland does not need immigrants. Politicians need to encourage families to have more children, rather than flood one of the last ethnically pure countries in Europe and turn it into another Britain/France/Germany.

Multiculturalism doesn't work.
EM_Wave 9 | 311
6 Apr 2012 #158
Multiculturalism doesn't work.

Yes it does. America is a successful multicultural country.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
6 Apr 2012 #159
The modern definition of multiculturalism was created by western politicians to make it easy for them to box off the different ethnic groups into voting blocs.

Want the hispanic vote, say you will regularise the illegals. Want the Irish vote, visit a pub, have a Guinness and waffle on about your great, great grandfather. Want the the Polish vote, announce you will introduce a bill to allow Polish citizens avail of the visa waiver to holiday in the states. You get the idea. Its a sham and what it really means is that a nation has become a subset of smaller nations, all looking after numero uno.

What made America great was that it was a massive continent sized nation with room and minerals to match. It practiced a concept of assimilation. Heres your new flag. Heres the sports we play. We speak English. You are welcome to become one of us.

Assimilation is a concept which says to those who arrive that you must live and comply by the ways of life and traditions of the country to which you have arrived in.

Only recently has America adopted a more multicultural stance and it will be its downfall. Ethnic communities withdraw, become more insular and eventually completely break away into micro subsets. Eventually, like all empires, America will fall.

As for your wish that we all become mixed, how is that working out in your homeland of South Africa? How are the mixed browns treated by the ANC? How has life changed for them? The black man is now cracking the whip on their backs, instead of the white man.

You havent a breeze, pal. You sound like you swallowed a multikulti bible and just continue to spout jargon. Which you have little or no understanding of. A simpleton, in other words.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
6 Apr 2012 #160
"Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best?"
I've always favored Nigerian pygmys. They would add the appropriate 'diversity' to the Polish landscape.
The intermarriage results would be quite interesting; particularly the children.
Szenk88HTAFC 2 | 47
6 Apr 2012 #161
America is not multicultural. They have people who have come to their country from different cultures who have accepted and embrace the American way of baby. Its not multicultural, its multinational.
OP pawian 182 | 16,861
6 Apr 2012 #162
I said somewhere else: Polish culture is attractive enough to make people integrate. I am optimistic about it. :):):):)

When I said it,

I had this in mind

Poles attached to a traditional Easter
04.04.2012 14:57
With the Easter holidays fast approaching, a new survey finds that Poles still associate the holiday with traditions such as blessing food in Church and sharing eggs.

As Easter in much of the western world has been reduced to buying the kids chocolate Easter eggs, 90 percent of Poles cling to traditions associated with the Christian festivity.

The study shows that Easter continues to be a stronghold of Polish tradition, as celebrations have remained unchanged over decades.
Eighty percent of respondents cannot imagine the Christian holiday without special cakes, such as the babka or mazurek, or without śmigus-dyngus -the 'Wet Easter Monday 'tradition, which gives, mainly, the perfect excuse to drench girls, and each other, with buckets of water.

Figures have been dropping in the case of festive cards being sent ahead of the holidays, however.
While in the late 1990s the custom was prevalent across the country, it has been preserved in 70 percent of families.


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Show me a child who doesn`t find painting eggs or splashing each other with water attractive? ??? :):):):):)

With mixed or different origin, the emigree kids will be true Poles one day. :):):):) Why? Because Polish culture, though based on peasant folklore in many aspects, is FUN! :):):):):
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
6 Apr 2012 #163
When I said it,

I am sure the people of Paris, London, Malmo etc. thought the same.

With mixed or different origin, the emigree kids will be true Poles one day. :):):):) Why? Because Polish culture, though based on peasant folklore in many aspects, is FUN! :):):):):

You are an incredibly naive individual. Are you employed by the Polish state to teach?

If so, wow.
OP pawian 182 | 16,861
6 Apr 2012 #164
I am sure the people of Paris, London, Malmo etc. thought the same.

Those people had material wealth but no culture. Wealth attracted immigrants but culture didn`t. :)

You are an incredibly naive individual.

I prefer to be naive than such a wet blanket. Man, you should definitely learn to be more optimistic!! :):

Are you employed by the Polish state to teach?

I am hired by the state school, by semi-state university and by private individuals. I work from 8.20 to 8.20 except for Sundays and holidays.

Why?

wow.

Yes, wow! :):
PlasticPole 7 | 2,650
6 Apr 2012 #165
With mixed or different origin, the emigree kids will be true Poles one day. :):):):) Why? Because Polish culture, though based on peasant folklore in many aspects, is FUN! :):):):):

So true! Egg decorating brings a lot of enjoyment! Seeing those pictures makes me want to run to the store for some Scripto markers so I can decorate the eggs I have here. Brings back happy childhood memories!
OP pawian 182 | 16,861
6 Apr 2012 #166
Keep your nation, Polish. Otherwise it will cease to be Poland.

If you learnt history at school, you would know that Old Poland was a multiethnic/ multicultural country. And it functioned as such for centuries, though with some intervals.

The Commonwealth was an important European center for the development of modern social and political ideas. It was famous for its rare quasi-democratic political system, praised by philosophers such as Erasmus; and, during the Counter-Reformation, was known for near-unparalleled religious tolerance, with peacefully coexisting Catholic, Jewish, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant and Muslim communities. In the 18th century, the French Catholic Rulhiere wrote of 16th century Poland: "This country, which in our day we have seen divided on the pretext of religion, is the first state in Europe that exemplified tolerance. In this state, mosques arose between churches and synagogues.”
TheOther 6 | 3,692
6 Apr 2012 #167
was known for near-unparalleled religious tolerance

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't both the orthodox and protestant church (or their church services, respectively) made illegal in Poland-Lithuania and Poland during certain time periods?
Ironside 51 | 11,499
6 Apr 2012 #168
You are an incredibly naive individual. Are you employed by the Polish state to teach?

I doubt that, he is employed by the party currently in power and he is talking rubbish about immigration to Poland because government introduced a bill which will force people to work longer(67).

It means that they wasted monies from the EU and from the people and soon, I say October 2012 or March 2013 the s will hit a pan!
OP pawian 182 | 16,861
6 Apr 2012 #169
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't both the orthodox and protestant church (or their church services, respectively) made illegal in Poland-Lithuania and Poland during certain time periods?

That is why I also added:

And it functioned as such for centuries, though with some intervals.

Is the word interval so closely connected with the theatre that it becomes obscure when used in political context?

Sorry, I am not a native speaker, my horribly primitive English can`t render all shades and nuances I want to transmit.

I doubt that, he is employed by the party currently in power

hahaha Iron, I just love it when you write about me in third person singular. Can you go on and never stop? :):):):):)
hansomreiste 3 | 24
7 Apr 2012 #170
The chat here was intense at first, but now what I do is heavy laughing.

Some man claims Poland doesn't need any unqualified non-EU people... HAHA! He must be god. He knew I am unqualified. And he also knows Poland is full of great people with nice jobs.

You are scared of other people as a coward dog. This is so funny, I am very happy to hear that.

Well, my girlfriend accepted to come to my country. After studying here, I will find a better country which is not full of faggot racists.

Thanks to everyone who helped me about the situation, that was nice contribution!
Ironside 51 | 11,499
7 Apr 2012 #171
After studying here, I will find a better country which is not full of faggot racists.

let us know where you are going to sturdy just to let people know what do you think about them ....
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
7 Apr 2012 #172
my girlfriend

You mean your meal ticket out of Constantinople?

Let me guess, this better country, will of course be a EU member state, right?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
7 Apr 2012 #173
Those people had material wealth but no culture.

oh right, we have no 'culture' in London....I see...
and there was me thinking that some of those milions of visitors came for the art galleries, museums, architecture, parks, unique London life and so on.

How foolish of me, they just came for the pienienze...
isthatu2 4 | 2,702
7 Apr 2012 #174
Lols, you bit :)
London, in past centuries had NO culture,it was seen as one of the wildest cities in Europe,a place where vast wealth could be made. Saying it about the past 100 years would be a bit silly though :)
Moonlighting 31 | 234
7 Apr 2012 #175
Just see what happened in the West and learn the lesson from it.
Conclusion: if you keep Islam and Thirld World out of Poland, which other nationalities/cultures you should accept is not an issue.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
7 Apr 2012 #176
Your silly reactions underminded with envy only prove that I was right - Polish culture is superior to current Western culture!

Culture and education only goes so far, its genetics which shape us.
OP pawian 182 | 16,861
7 Apr 2012 #177
1. Encourage Poles who left Poland to return.

This sounds like a piece of good advice.

2. Bring people in from eastern europe.

Do you know there are still many people of Polish origin in Eastern countries?

Ukrainian students

students

Belarussian kids

kids
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
7 Apr 2012 #178
Do you know there are still many people of Polish origin in Eastern countries? Ukrainian students

I see.. Goncharova..Oleshko..Zmiyevsha..Davidenko....
I know there are many people of Polish ancestry in the east but these people are probably not them.
Ukrainian students who are gonna study in Poland.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
7 Apr 2012 #179
Culture and education only goes so far, its genetics which shape us.

In what way do genetics which "shape us", in your opinion?
Trevek 26 | 1,702
7 Apr 2012 #180
Poland does not need immigrants.

Funny, in 17th and 18th century, Poland was doing pretty well from Scottish and Dutch immigrants, as well as being pretty multicultural in itself. Multiculturalism as a reality works... as a political policy, perhaps not so much.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't both the orthodox and protestant church (or their church services, respectively) made illegal in Poland-Lithuania and Poland during certain time periods?

Well during the counter reformation Poland refused to play and a lot of protestants came to Poland to escape persecution.

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