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Is 10500 monthly is enough for a family to live in Warsaw Poland


MorTan
19 Sep 2013 #61
sobieski

The IT boom in Poland, particularly krakow, wroclaw and warsaw it's real. I have seen salaries for senior programmers above 12k pln.

Poland is evolving fast!! Those that want to be part of the evolution will have a great future. The ones with the backward mentality will be left behind and well keep living in the past with salaries from the past.
Monitor 13 | 1,816
19 Sep 2013 #62
12 000 PLN gross = 8427,87 net

Cost of living:

Consumer Prices in Warsaw are 90.49% higher than in Mumbai
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Warsaw are 71.69% higher than in Mumbai
Rent Prices in Warsaw are 36.57% higher than in Mumbai
Restaurant Prices in Warsaw are 119.30% higher than in Mumbai
Groceries Prices in Warsaw are 51.06% higher than in Mumbai
Local Purchasing Power in Warsaw is 36.87% higher than in Mumbai

It's very nice salary as for Poland. Top 1% or 2% of highest salaries. Tell us please more about your working field, experience and the company you're applying to.
sobieski 106 | 2,118
19 Sep 2013 #63
Poland is evolving fast!! Those that want to be part of the evolution will have a great future.

Still, the BPO's are paying peanuts, even to native speakers.
milky 13 | 1,656
19 Sep 2013 #64
I always wonder who supposedly is offering whom such salaries in Poland. This simply does not corresponds with everyday realities in this country. And always to Indians.

I was thinking the same. If they're that smart why can't they use google and find answer in 5 seconds.
MorTan
19 Sep 2013 #65
Still, the BPO's are paying peanuts, even to native speakers.

BPO's pay and will always pay peanuts, that's their business specially when all you need to know to work there is a foreign language. The opportunities are in the Research Centers looking for highly trained people. In krakow just to name a few: Google, Motorola, Cisco, ABB. (constantly hiring)

And it's not about multinationals, startups are offering very competitive salaries and if you are interested they are hiring.
jobs.estimote.com
getbase.com/company/careers/
Crow 160 | 9,195
20 Sep 2013 #66
thanks for information.
Monitor 13 | 1,816
20 Sep 2013 #67
Crow Your question is not related to the topic, so don't be surprise that nobody answers.
Crow 160 | 9,195
20 Sep 2013 #68
well, discussion develop. But, alright. Forget about question if you don`t like when things develop
yash07in
26 Sep 2013 #69
Merged: Cost of Living in Poland (salary of 14k PLN gross in Warsaw)

Dear All,

I'm being offered a salary of 14k PLN gross in Warsaw.
Kindly advice on the cost of living.
Saving some money is a very important aspect for me.
I am single, do not visit pubs often, don't smoke, live simple and intend to rent a single room apartment.
Kindly advice on how much should I be able to save.

Best Regards,
Yash.
jon357 75 | 22,576
26 Sep 2013 #70
Yes, that's a decent-ish salary. More than most in Warsaw get. If you want to know more, try the search function. There are dozens of threads about this sort of thing.
yash07in
26 Sep 2013 #71
Thanks for your reply Jon.
I'd try searching within the Forum, but couldn't make out how much would I save in the current year. I understand, that two years back, the average cost of living for a single guy was around 4-5k pln.

Many thanks again.
jon357 75 | 22,576
26 Sep 2013 #72
Even that's a decent salary in Warsaw. After tax you'll have about 10k left, maybe 9. A flat will cost you about 2k and you'll live fairly well on half of the rest. If you live modestly (or even share a flat - though people on that sort of salary generally don't) you'll spend less and be able to save more.

I suppose I'm considered a very high earner in Warsaw terms, being further down a career path and getting much more than the amount you mention but I don't think I spend even 5k per month and live very well indeed. A doctor gets less than 10 before tax.
Monitor 13 | 1,816
27 Sep 2013 #73
I understand, that two years back, the average cost of living for a single guy was around 4-5k pln.

That impossible as average salary in Warsaw is probably around 5k - 6k pln. That's around 3.5k - 4.2k net. And people who earn average in Warsaw are able to save some money.
sheetanshu_g - | 8
3 Nov 2013 #74
yash07in
Hi Yash,
Even i have been offered a monthly gross salary of 15K PLN . Just wanted to check few things on same . Cost of living and few more things which u might have searched till now , which could help me as well. Can you please update me your contact number or may be email id, so that i can get in touch with you.

Thanks
Sheetanshu

Merged: Cost of living @ Warsaw with monthly compensation of 15k PLN

Hey Polish Folks,

Hope you all are doing great.
While googling i came across this forum so though of joining in for clarifying my some doubts.

I have been offered a monthly salary compensation of 15PLN Gross for my job.
I have checked that there is a very high 32% of flat income tax on gross Salary in warsaw.

Can any one clarify or tell me about cost of living in warsaw, considering the fact that i am single and always prefers to live in a decent place.

I'll be traveling from india so saving money is on priority. So how much monthly it would be able to save with decent life style.

Also if some one can tell me how life style @ warsaw is different from other EU nations , or its same like dem :S i have very less idea on that :)

Hoping to hear from u guys..
Have fun :)

Catch many of u soon..
Monitor 13 | 1,816
3 Nov 2013 #75
What for do they offer so much in Warsaw?
sheetanshu_g - | 8
4 Nov 2013 #76
Hi Monitor,

I am a SAP Consultant by profession , a Multinational is opening it IT development center based out at warsaw, and they are hiring for same. Generally we get around 50K-90K Euros being at other European locations. I am looking for this job considering the fact that the cost of living is less in warsaw, also living standard is not very different from other european capitals.

Can you please let me know like in how much cost can i get in studio apartment/ 1 BHK and what would be like expense if i prefer to have my meals outside.

Also it would be great if u can tell me about polish culture/ people/ night life .

Please let me know if its difficult for some one like me who does't know local language and only knows english :)

Thanks in advance..
Dont gag me yo 7 | 156
4 Nov 2013 #77
Yeah a decent flat at babka towers with garage will run u around 2800 pln furnished plus gas,car insurance or A monthly metro pass dining out 5 days a week you will be alright,lol and a occasional date.you all set man get that job.

In other EU countries that will not be enough by what polish standards offer.
sheetanshu_g - | 8
4 Nov 2013 #78
Dont gag me yo
Txs man :)

And how about Language , as i don't know polish. Do people understand polish ??

Also as i mentioned earlier that since i am away from my home , so i'll be eyeing for saving :) so would it be possible to survive in 5K PLN monthly with decent life style ??
Monitor 13 | 1,816
4 Nov 2013 #79
Thanks for answer. 180K PLN ( 43K EUR) is definitely more in Warsaw than 50K EUR in other European capitals. But if you were to get more in the west ( let say 60K), then it depends which capital (Berlin is cheap but Germany has higher taxes, London expensive and lower taxes) and how big portion of your salary you want to put away as savings. What I mean is that when living in expensive country with higher salary it's easier to cut on spending and save nominally more.

I think that eating out during lunch time will cost you 12 - 30 PLN per lunch, depending where you eat. According to some website 50-75 m2 flat in Warsaw costs average 2676 PLN / month. Your salary after taxes and insurances will be 10518 PLN.

You can live decent with 5k per month :) People in Poland understand Polish :) If you mean English then according to this graph: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:English_foreign_and_second_language_EU.jpg

28% knows some English. In Warsaw it can be double. In general all people age 15 - 35 should speak some English.

This salary is not impossible, according to tiny.cc/hays-report CRM/ERP consultant in Mazowieckie earns min 10 000 - 30 000 and median is 14 000 (in 2011). It looks like the highest payed, not managerial position in IT, so it's not strange that they search for cheaper workers abroad.
sheetanshu_g - | 8
4 Nov 2013 #80
Monitor
Thanks man for clarifying my doubts :D
cms 9 | 1,254
4 Nov 2013 #81
Another Indian/Paki claiming to earn fortunes in Poland and asking the same questions all over again.

But in this case they are providing a skill we don't appear to have, and would hopefully transfer some of that knowledge to Poles. They are paying 4.000 tax a month and the number of people will be hundreds rather than millions - surely this is the "good" kind of immigration.

What is weird is that I have been able to find Polish developers for less - about 10.000 but not in SAP. Is the premium for SAP people really so high ?
Monitor 13 | 1,816
4 Nov 2013 #82
What is weird is that I have been able to find Polish developers for less - about 10.000 but not in SAP. Is the premium for SAP people really so high ?

According to Hayes yes. IMHO ERP systems are boring for IT people and it's harder to get experience in it. It's hard to train SAP at home and only bigger companies use it, what is not true about for example PHP.
jon357 75 | 22,576
4 Nov 2013 #83
so would it be possible to survive in 5K PLN monthly with decent life style ??

If it's net, you can have a moderate lifesty;le though not luxurious. If it's gross, you would need to live very carefully.
sa11y 5 | 331
4 Nov 2013 #84
Another Indian/Paki claiming to earn fortunes

Sobieski - I KNOW personally people who relocated to Poland from India or Pakistan and are earning that sort of salary in Poland.
Believe me - it is possible. International companies generally prefer to relocate people to other sites as it saves them head hunting fees. And gives their people opportunity to grow.

There are companies that transfer Polish expats too (I'm one of them) to overseas locations. And they don't offer them junior roles for national minimum wage.

You just have to be in right place at the right time.

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sheetanshu_g - | 8
4 Nov 2013 #85
What is weird is that I have been able to find Polish developers for less - about 10.000 but not in SAP. Is the premium for SAP people really so high ?

Hello Mr CMS,
No company is so fool that they'll import foreign employee by paying double salary, also as there is additional cost involved like visa and work permit.

It's been communicated to me that they are unable to find with SAP Skill which fortunately i have , which also suites their requirement. Hence they obviously needs to pay lil higher to attract people from other nations. Also considering the fact that i'll be relocating and have to pay higher income tax of around 32%. It does't seems to be sum thing over paid.

It's very much within market standards, infect too less than what other companies offer in other EU nations..

You just have to be in right place at the right time.

Ya Sa11y, u r absolutely right , u just need too be der at right place and right time :D :D

If it's net, you can have a moderate lifesty;le though not luxurious. If it's gross, you would need to live very carefully

Hi Jon,
I will be expecting around 10.5K of monthly salary, after all tax deduction. Also was wondering if i could at least save half of my salary. But 5K seems to be enough, as am still single and nothing much to spend apart eating and lodging :D
Monitor 13 | 1,816
4 Nov 2013 #86
i'll be relocating and have to pay higher income tax of around 32%

Only few small countries have lower tax in Europe. What is taxation in India? I mean what percentage of your gross salary is tax? (Although it's not so simple here in Europe to compare because employer pays taxes too, so gross salary is not whole cost of employer)
sheetanshu_g - | 8
4 Nov 2013 #87
What is taxation in India?

Ya monitor, in india we have 4 Slabs of taxation. From 0%, 10%, 20% to 30%. Also this tax is on above if salary exceeds above a static income.
Higher Salary tends to higher tax.
But we have few relaxations also, it depends on your savings, investment in government owned policies/funds/insurance, housing loan and many more.
So its not really not so high.

Yeah i too just checked income tax is high in most EU nations.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_of_Europe
sobieski 106 | 2,118
4 Nov 2013 #88
I will be expecting around 10.5K of monthly salary, after all tax deduction.

Why don't you consider working in Singapore, Malaysia...For sure there are big Indian communities over there....You will be disappointed by Poland...The weather is very different as yours....
sheetanshu_g - | 8
4 Nov 2013 #89
Why don't you consider working in Singapore, Malaysia

Ya am looking for other asian opportunities also, its just that i am a kind of guys who prefers to live with different poeple /geography/ Culture, so just wanted to explore eastern europe. And i see this as a good way :D

Thanks for all your inputs folks..
smurf 39 | 1,952
4 Nov 2013 #90
Translation

How heavy is that chip on your shoulder mate?
It must really weigh you down.


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