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Legal Graffiti Walls in Poland?


smurf 39 | 1,981
30 Oct 2010 #1
Is there a website with information about where I can find some legal walls to write on in Poland?

Thanks
bydgoszczanin - | 14
30 Oct 2010 #2
No. The only way is to ask wall's owner.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384
30 Oct 2010 #3
Is there a website with information about where I can find some legal walls to write on in Poland?

there might be something, but i've never looked.

sometimes graffiti artists are invited to 'paint' certain walls.

u might find something of use in the Forum Archive.
mafketis 25 | 9,319
1 Nov 2010 #4
I've heard Police stations will give you a warm welcome.
jonni 16 | 2,485
1 Nov 2010 #5
Is there a website with information about where I can find some legal walls to write on in Poland?

Better to buy a wall and scrawl on it (on the inside, so the rest of us don't have to look at the puerile scribbling), otherwise it's up to 2 years in prison.

There is a long wall in Warsaw where people are allowed to do grafitti - their youthful energy is such that they've even got carried away and scribbled all over the expensive murals on the wall of the housing estate next door, put there in the hope that the vandals might have some respect and leave it alone.

What is it with Poland and grafitti anyway? Where my flat is, all the residents have paid (monthly for years, through the fundusz remontowy) for the buildings to be nicely painted, and within a couple of weeks, the aerosol 'artists' started 'expressing themselves' on the walls of our homes.

The scum should have the word vandal tattooed on their foreheads - to make the punishment fit the crime!
mafketis 25 | 9,319
1 Nov 2010 #6
One of the (many, so very many) things I hate about grafitti is that most 'writers' are abject cowards.
It doesn't take any courage to tag a tenement where the inhabitants barely make ends meet and can't afford to repaint the walls every two weeks. Why not go after shopping malls? Expensive cars? McDonalds? Tesco?

Because the sneaky little Sh(ts know what would happen to them.....
delphiandomine 88 | 18,456
1 Nov 2010 #7
What is it with Poland and grafitti anyway?

Same problem all over Europe - as far as I remember, it's because they didn't stamp on it when it first "arrived" in Europe from America. The UK on the other hand always treated it as a serious crime, which seems to be why there's much less of it.
trener zolwia 1 | 939
1 Nov 2010 #8
The scum should have the word vandal tattooed on their foreheads - to make the punishment fit the crime!

This isn't very Lib! :D

when it first "arrived" in Europe from America.

Another undesirable import from America. Why is it that Euro kids want so to emulate our scummy urban black "culture"? :s
jonni 16 | 2,485
1 Nov 2010 #9
Lib

The wordcount's rising

Another undesirable import from America. Why is it that Euro kids want so to emulate our scummy urban black "culture"? :s

Most of them seem to want to be sk8ter bois, whatever that means.
mafketis 25 | 9,319
1 Nov 2010 #10
Why is it that Euro kids want so to emulate our scummy urban black "culture"? :s

Not to mention another bigger question: How did the formerly vital, humanistic and basically optimistic urban black culture of the 50's, 60's and early 70's turn into the nihilistic cesspool that is has become?
trener zolwia 1 | 939
1 Nov 2010 #11
The wordcount's rising

I believe in giving Libs credit when they go against the traditional Lib idiocy. And to do this we must recognize the rare occasions when it happens.

Here, you didn't follow the usual Lib mindset that 'all is good... emulating destructive black culture is just fine and dandy... we need to not punish criminals but instead try to understand them... ' blahblah puke! You instead went with eye-for-an-eye retribution! Good man. ;)

How did the formerly vital, humanistic and basically optimistic urban black culture of the 50's, 60's and early 70's turn into the nihilistic cesspool that is has become?

Good question.
OP smurf 39 | 1,981
1 Nov 2010 #12
The scum should have the word vandal tattooed on their foreheads

I'm not scum and I dont tag or "scrawl" on public or private property.

I do hate most of the **** here though, football tags everywhere are so so gay, when it's done properly it's an artform, but yea I agree that it shouldn't appear on flats/houses, unless the owner wants it.

Polish trains do look a whole lot better with a lick of paint though

Why is it that Euro kids want so to emulate our scummy urban black "culture"

.....now now, dude, dont be racist.

It doesn't take any courage to tag a tenement where the inhabitants barely make ends meet and can't afford to repaint the walls every two weeks.

Yea, you're dead right, stupid crap football slogans are a pain, that's why there should be places where proper tagger have somewhere to practice their talent.

I bet you're all gonna come back now and give me ****/lecture me/call me a knobend etc
but I'm not the type that writes on people's walls, I usually paint in my garage unless someone wants me to do something on their wall for a small fee
Richfilth 6 | 415
1 Nov 2010 #13
If you're in Warsaw, the big place is along ul. Pulawska, by the horse-racing stadium. Even then, though, I don't know if it's a case of "authorised location" or just lazy policing.
jonni 16 | 2,485
1 Nov 2010 #14
I don't know if it's a case of "authorised location" or just lazy policing.

It's authorised. Shame they started spraying on the murals on the wall of the adjacent estate.

I saw a Banksy a couple of weeks ago. It was art - which 99.999999% of grafitti is not, but the guy should still be made to scrub them all off and be fined if not jailed.
OP smurf 39 | 1,981
1 Nov 2010 #15
If you're in Warsaw

Naw, afraid not, but next time I'm up there I'll check it out.
thanks
mafketis 25 | 9,319
1 Nov 2010 #16
I have no problem with some long wall (like in Warsaw) becoming an authorized place for grafitti people. Where I used to live in the US there was a similar wall. It's not my taste but within authorized places I have no quarrel with those who indulge.

Polish trains do look a whole lot better with a lick of paint though

No they don't.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,456
1 Nov 2010 #17
I saw a Banksy a couple of weeks ago. It was art - which 99.999999% of grafitti is not, but the guy should still be made to scrub them all off and be fined if not jailed.

Doesn't Banksy get permission for a lot of his stuff? I saw a great one in Westminster about CCTV a while ago, but it was authorised by the building owner.
jonni 16 | 2,485
1 Nov 2010 #18
Not sure about this one, which was in Tottenham, but it had been covered with perspex.

The grafitti wall in Warsaw does brighten things up - but all the other grafitti just makes the place look miserable and uncared for.
mafketis 25 | 9,319
1 Nov 2010 #19
all the other grafitti just makes the place look miserable and uncared for.

That was the original intent of grafitti (in it's current form) to convince people they had no control over their environment (making it easier for gangs to do their thing).
trener zolwia 1 | 939
2 Nov 2010 #20
Yep. Like tribal markings of their turf.

art - which 99.999999% of grafitti is not

Over here some folks try to promote the ugly criminal act of graffiti into a recognized form of black people "art".
Yep, crazy, backwards, racial apologist idiots who attempt to show the world that anything and everything black deserves our recognition and respect... :s
f stop 25 | 2,513
2 Nov 2010 #21
banksy
west bank wall:
arts.guardian.co.uk/pictures/image/0,8543,-10405256016,00.html
OP smurf 39 | 1,981
2 Nov 2010 #22
No they don't.

Yea they do
mafketis 25 | 9,319
2 Nov 2010 #23
You don't own the trains.

If those that do own the trains don't want them painted by grafitti guys then painting them is criminal vandalism.

What part of 'respect other people's property' do you not understand?
DarrenM 1 | 77
2 Nov 2010 #24
Personally I HATE HATE HATE HATE the vast majority graffiti.

Banksy's stuff is clever and artistic.

Indeed, there are some areas here in Brussels that look really great, the tunnels leading to the atomium along the 23/24 tram route. Its strategically placed and doesnt contrast or damage the buildings.

Conversely something like a Legia Warsaw logo or someones name sprayed on the side of someones house/apartment block is retarded and criminal.
rich55 3 | 49
2 Nov 2010 #25
Banksy's stuff is clever and artistic

At best it can be slightly amusing; at worst it is no better than you'd expect from a 16 year-old school child. It is to art what McDonald's is to cooking.
OP smurf 39 | 1,981
2 Nov 2010 #26
hat part of 'respect other people's property' do you not understand?

The part where they look disgusting..... The first train i was ever on in Poland, I was going to Oswiecim, I asked the missus "Ah wow, they even use the trains that they used in WWII" She laughed and said "No, this is a normal Polish train"

A little bit of colour never hurt anyone, except the makers of black and white televisions.

I get your point though and I reckon if there we more legal walls for artists then the amount graffiti on trains would fall. Plus the fact that security is so lax around the depots doesn't help.

You'd think that a company as bloated as PKP would have enough security, even installing some cctv would help a bit.

I like it on trains, but I wouldn't do it on them, as I said, I don't do it illegally, I do it in my garage or when asked to do some by paying customers
f stop 25 | 2,513
2 Nov 2010 #27
I wonder if cavemen lamented over their youths carving in the rocks...
jonni 16 | 2,485
2 Nov 2010 #28
Given pre-historic life expectancy, they were probably all youths. But that isn't grafitti, which depends on mass-produced easy to use spray paint. Grafitti vandals wouldn't have the nouse to use anything more demanding.
f stop 25 | 2,513
2 Nov 2010 #29
a friend of mine (whos 12-foot burner I have on my pool-room wall), knows all the fines and restitutions for each particular freight company train trailers. He targets the ones that only require repainting, in case he gets caught. ;)
trener zolwia 1 | 939
2 Nov 2010 #30
grafitti, which depends on mass-produced easy to use spray paint.

Let's don't start blaming the paint now for the criminal act of defacing property.

Grafitti vandals wouldn't have the nouse to use anything more demanding.

They should be given children's sidewalk caulk to do their "art".
Anyone ever see online pics of that one guy who does spectacular caulk sidewalk/ street art? Good stuff... and best of all, it's temporary.


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