Graffiti problem in Poland

Hi, this is a question mainly directed to our Polish friends. I was just wondering what you thought about the graffiti problem here in Poland. I'm not taking about the graffiti you can find on railway walls/ subways etc displaying artistic skills, but the kind of graffiti you can find on almost EVERY city building, the name tag. "John was here" "Lechia Gdansk" Etc....... There were/are a lot of buildings in Gdansk being re-painted, from the old grey concrete to light and bright colours, only to be vandalized a few days later. Before making an argument against this first check, the next time you travel through your city have a look at how many buildings actually have graffiti on. When I first mentioned this to my wife she got a bit annoyed, thinking I'm only saying bad things about Poland, the thing is it's not something she's looked for before. She now agrees with me.

Do you know anyone who does this type of thing? Any reasons to why they would want to vandalize peoples property ?

I'm sure the first few replies with be something along the lines of " well in England, US, Ireland........" I'm asking the question of Poland and what you think of it, nothing else.

THANKS :)

I wouldn't mind it so much if it displayed any talent, but most of it is just ugly. On a bus stop near my place some knuckle dragger scrawled 'White Power' a while ago. Nice to see today that someone has changed it to 'White Rower' and has made that nasty sign into one of the wheels of a bike.

Love it

the reason is only one - the police are not enough after them - still the law would have to change a bit - including confiscating all material used for painting including the material stored at home - so the police should be able to do a search in the premises of an individual caught red-handed

btw there are forces in this world that are 'out of this world' - some are evil

polish women are like that, I have exactly the same problem,


No, the police is not responsible. In Poland, it is a cultural thing to vandalize and damage other's peolpe property


I have also seen a lot of graffiti everywhere in Poland. Most of the buildings look old, gray and crappy, however when they get repainted and finally look nice, they get vandalized very quickly (not only buildings also cars!!!). It is like if those kurwa boys make an effort to make their country be a completely mess. Typical communist's heritage!!!

some of the 'art' graffiti if you will i have seen on walls etc in Poland are alot more artistic than here in UK which unless you are called Banksy tends to just be a tag name sprayed at selected points nothing arty about it.

Should get people to post up some 'artistic' graffiti work spotted :)

I agree with:
Graffiti is a bad thing and should not be tolerated.
Vandalism is a bad thing and should not be tolerated.

I am sorry to see both of them all over Poland.

However I disagree with your skewed logic here:


, or more general:
"My wife is X [has big tits for example] therefore all Polish women are X [have big tits]".

With all due respect to your wife - her opinion, look and behaviour mean very little to me and to 30-something millions of other Poles. You cannot draw any universal conclusions, involving all Polish women, based on her alone, five other of her friends, or even 10,000 other Polish women.

You, and some people like you, need to take a brush course in logic. Have you heard anything about universal quantification vs. existential quantification? Here they are, easy to remember: denoted ∀  and ∃ .

The expression ∀ n ∈ N P(n) denotes the universal quantification of the predicate P(n). Translated into plain English it means: For all n, such that n is an element of the set N, n satisfies a predicate P(n). A predicate is a function of one variable, answering either true of false. For example, if P(n) is defined as 2 * n > 10, it will answer FALSE for all n <=5, and TRUE otherwise.

Consider for example this: ∀ n ∈ set-of-all-Polish-women-married-to-a-foreigner (n thinks-that-her-husband-denigrades-Poland). Obviously, this predicate is FALSE for the entire set. It is true for your wife, roca, it is true for croggers's wife (assuming that you both are telling the truth) but its is definitively not true for all: ∀ n ∈ set-of-all-Polish-women-married-to-a-foreigner.

Capisci? So stay away from all universal statements, like this: "polish women are like that", because such statements are more likely than not to be definitely FALSE.

On the other hand, you might want to use so-called existential quantifier, "there exists", denoted by ∃.
The expression ∃ n ∈ N P(n) denotes existential quantification satisfying the predicate P(n). Translated into English, it means: There is some (or there exists) n, such that n is an element of the set N, that the predicate P(n) is true.

For example, ∃ n ∈ set-of-all-Polish-women-married-to-a-foreigner (n thinks-that-her-husband-denigrades-Poland) is TRUE, because we know that there is at least one such woman (either roca's or clogger's wife) who behaves in the prescribed way.

krakowpost.com/article/2637

Report it here: ekocentrum.krakow.pl

The reason is stupidy. People who do that want to put a signature of theirs on every wall in a city. Those signatures are called "tags". Probably if you look carefully you will find out that some signatures appears frequently in many parts of a city.

Second group are football hooligans' graffiti - those guys are in war with other teams.
The worst thing is that police and courts doesn't take those things seriously. I've read some time ago about football hooligans who sprayed a single houses area. Some of the people had cctv so police could find who done it. Unfortunately court released those vandals without any charges!!! (niska szkodliwość czynu karalnego!)

it would be a lot easier to count the ones that don't have graffiti.

i've said it before and i'll say it again. they can sell Poland as much as they want for euro 2012, but after seeing all the graffiti visitors will leave with the impression that Poland is here to be trashed.

it's long past the time that Poland woke up to this problem.

so have I

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The bridge has potential though. I hope the boys will work on it some more.

they did and here it is

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It looks like some poles make an effort to make look their cities crappy

oh yes, just as I hoped. Some nice stuff here.

This thread is mostly negative and I'm not going to defend the retards spraying HWDP and RKS PANY on every building, but I've got somewhere pictures of nicer ones too, I may add them here when I find them.

Don't you have a graffiti problem in Latin America?

what do those acronyms stand for?

(c)hwdp = "(c)H*j w d*pę policji"

RKS = some football team
pany= masters

RKS - don't know - maybe Rakowski Klub Sportowy of Częstochowa - there is an RTS - Robotnicze Towarzystwo Sportowe which is the longer name for 'Widzew' of £ódź - and RTS

h** (or ch** according to dictionaries) w d*** policji
I think police cars used to have the same, or very similar, letters on their registration plates.

RKS pany is Robotniczy Klub Sportowy (I think...) - there are variations of it all over Poland - £KS, GKS - depending of the localization.

And pany (from "pan") is an equivalent of "rulez".

ok
thanks all

ahahahha :D LOL Excellent explanation, pure logic.

We all agree graffiti is created by vandals (with some exceptions). Question: who did this one?? mohair berets??

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Yes, there are graffiti marks in some cities of Poland. Not in my hometown though. We've only got one major football club so there are no groups of competing football fans marking the walls :-). And we've also have an American Football team. Graffti in Poland is in no way related to gangs like it used to be, and maybe still is, in the US.


I tend to avoid public service and I've bought myself a private medical insurance. I don't fancy spending half a day waiting in a line just to receive a sub par treatment. But to be fair British public health service is not better than Polish. I support privatization of Polish health service but this going to be difficult, since many people are scared of fundamental changes.

Graffiti is bad in some parts of Poland but worse in France and The UK.
Worst country for graffiti?
The one that introduced it to the rest of us of course......the wonderful US of A!!!!,

Actually theres very little graffiti in the us. Even in the ghettos... Tagging **** up passe, totally 80s and 90s..

The amount of grafitti is far, far greater in poland, france, etc than usa.


Black white and asian gays don't mark turf, at least not anymore. Only some Hispanic gangs do and generally they only tag up their traps, which i find quite stupid as that only attracts more heat and opps. Same with wearing rags no one does that anymore. They dont even wear the baggy jeans anymore now theyre on some skinny jean ****. I always thought that looked silly asf.

Grafitti doesn't always have to be bad. There are some fine examples of graffiti art in Poland

Agreed,but I wouldn't really call that graffiti.
Street art?

It sure is.

Would you say the same thing if somebody tried to paint any of those on your house while you are standing in front of it or would you (1) call the police, or (2) grab a very hard object?

4. Strip them to their underwear and spray them head to toe with their own cans, no need for violence.