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Going to Poland in a hijab - Polish people and Islam


krecik34
6 Feb 2016 #121
There are really no direct references to the need to over one's face or head in the quran. (Quran 7:26 24:31 33:59)There are some references to the need to cover one's modesty , something about covering one's bosom etc. So I don't know why this has become now a 'religious' necessity. Basically scholars are interpreting the words based on what people wore 2000 years' ago and now they have decided that this interpretation should be relevant today. There may have been necessities to dress that way 2000 years' ago. Perhaps scholars should recognise that social mores change over time caused by sizeable shifts in behaviour. So why aren't muslim women advise to dress modestly according to what is modest in the 21st century Europe? Also muslims in South East Asia don't wear the hijab or niqab much. Therefore these forms of dress are really based on 2000 year old Arabic fashion culture rather than religious doctrine. There are similar passages in the New Testament about women being modest etc. But Christians seem to understand that they don't need to wear what the first Christians wore 2000 years' ago - turbans, sandals, headwear...
rr141
3 Jan 2018 #122
Hi to all 😊... I would like to know are there many ladis in warsaw working with head scarf in poland.. As i am planning to go to the country with my husband for study purposes... I am in Dubai now and i am a pre school teacher so i want to work in similar settings.. But little confused with the people tolerance on others religion..
mafketis 34 | 11,611
3 Jan 2018 #123
I would like to know are there many ladis in warsaw working with head scarf in poland

In the winter yeah, lots of women wear head scarfs outside, but they have the sense to take them off again when they come inside.

I am in Dubai now and i am a pre school teacher so i want to work in similar settings

What do you have to offer schools in terms of qualifications to offset the problems you'll present?

But little confused with the people tolerance on others religion

Polish people are tolerant of others' religions but expect them to keep their weird (by polish standards) minority practices at home and not drag them into the work place.
jon357 70 | 19,568
3 Jan 2018 #124
I would like to know are there many ladis in warsaw working with head scarf in poland..

There are certainly some. Most use the simplest form of covering. There are local Polish Muslimas, they tend to wear a light headscarf at most, or sometimes just a hat if they go outside.

the people tolerance on others religion.

Very little right now - think Germany in 1934 - and physical attacks on minorities are sadly increasing

Warsaw is the place where you'll blend in most. I wish you good luck with your time in PL.
mafketis 34 | 11,611
3 Jan 2018 #125
Muslimas

don't..... just don't
jon357 70 | 19,568
3 Jan 2018 #126
Don't what? It's a fairly standard word.
mafketis 34 | 11,611
3 Jan 2018 #127
Yeah, for muslim gender-essentialists maybe, for the rest of humanity it's a very unnecessary word, she's a muslim, period.
jon357 70 | 19,568
3 Jan 2018 #128
it's a very unnecessary word,

So are many words. No reason to avoid this one.
jon357 70 | 19,568
3 Jan 2018 #129
I really hope that's not

So do I, however you can get an innuendo from almost anything if you try long and hard enough.

Seriously, the lady would do better to have a word with other people in the same situation on
muzulmanie.com/forum/ or on /f.kafeteria.pl/temat/f21/polskie-muzulmanki-p_5526131 (for women)
- There she'll find women discussing their experiences of that very topic.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,948
3 Jan 2018 #130
Hijab or headscarf is relatively okay but if its rly arabic looking ull prolly just get a lot of looks. Burka youll probably have people saying things to you and cops might even search you or tell you to remove it.
spiritus 69 | 666
3 Jan 2018 #131
But little confused with the people tolerance on others religion..

Slightly more tolerant than Saudi Arabia's tolerance towards other religions.....
jon357 70 | 19,568
3 Jan 2018 #132
than Saudi Arabia'

Hard to know how your insightful opinions on geopolitics contribute positively to the lady's question...
XP123 - | 2
4 Jan 2018 #133
rr141

Just be confident to do what u believe in & others will respect

Staying there for a period of time, I suggest u decide the list negotiable things & list of non, from now, just to be able revise how far r u afterwards & have like a a self-alarm
Crow 153 | 10,540
20 Feb 2018 #134
Squatting Slav TV: Mighty Poland will not bow to Islam/EU

youtu.be/0B38MvwjN_g

Poland vs Islam | POLISH POWER !

youtu.be/B8ReDQugXig
Lyzko 33 | 7,991
20 Feb 2018 #136
Thought the issue was headgear, not food.
cms 9 | 1,255
20 Feb 2018 #137
God knows what working Poles will eat if they ban kebabs - i see kebab vans in every town - yesterday i was in a tiny village in Podlaski and there was a kebab stand with a queue there
Lyzko 33 | 7,991
20 Feb 2018 #138
I believe we were discussing head scarves, no?
:-)
Crow 153 | 10,540
20 Feb 2018 #139
I have tears in my eyes when looking at these videos. Salute from Serbia! Jeszcze Polska Nie Zginęła!
Crnogorac3 2 | 1,219
20 Feb 2018 #140
youtu.be/xxMyfgOeWv8

Al ga je odalamio brat Poljak, vratio ga u Afriku. :)))
Crow 153 | 10,540
21 Feb 2018 #141
Pa, sva sreća da ga je brat udario levom rukom. Da ga je udario desnicom, ovaj bi pao i ne bi se više mrdao. Nisu Poljaci za zajebanciju, a taj crnac je bio nešto besan.

Translation:

Well, its only luck that brother hit him with his left hand. If he got him with the right hand, man would fall and wouldn`t move anymore. Poles aren`t for ``joking`` with them and that black guy was kind of aggressive.

Dirk diggler 9 | 4,948
21 Feb 2018 #142
Its a saying and popular meme. Remove kebab, ban kebab etc is not in reference to the food, which yes we can all agree is tasty. In fact im eating some persian style lamb now.

Muslims are free to visit Poland, work, study, reside as eu citizens, run kebab stands, whatever they want to do. Thats not tge problem. A deluge of migrants is from areas we dont want is.
cms 9 | 1,255
21 Feb 2018 #143
To me ban kebabs would mean "let's ban kebabs"

Deciding what people can eat and wear - way to go
mafketis 34 | 11,611
21 Feb 2018 #144
To me ban kebabs

In informal Polish (and I think some other languages in Europe, including English) Kebab is a derogatory word for those of North African or Middle Eastern Appearance (like Ciapaty for South Asians).
cms 9 | 1,255
21 Feb 2018 #145
Well i heard chapati many times but not kebab :) must be too old.
SigSauer 4 | 397
21 Feb 2018 #146
I think the argument usually advanced here is that the 'zakat' that these shops pay funds terrorism and is donated to radical madrassas. I've never investigated that claim on my own, because I usually assume if that were true that the government would already have an eye on it.
mafketis 34 | 11,611
21 Feb 2018 #147
That's a laughable idea in most of Europe. most of the radical madrassas (which have caused the Sunni covergence to Saudi norms) are in fact funded from oil arab countries.

Again, look back to the siege of the great mosque in 1979, that's the event that stopped Saudi Arabia from modernizing and the real beginning of them exporting their nasty religion. In retrospect it was the key event in turning around muslim norms from modernizing to traditionalizing, much more so than the Iranian putsch.
cms 9 | 1,255
21 Feb 2018 #148
Its probably about as logical as saying that because im catholic i would send some of my profits to Radio Maryja

I can't imagine anyone willing to sit out in the cold carpark selling kebabs in February would then willingly fork it over to some mullah sitting a few thousand miles away in the sunshine
dolnoslask 6 | 3,070
21 Feb 2018 #149
Every time anyone buys Halal meat a proportion of the price paid has to got to the above.
Crow 153 | 10,540
21 Feb 2018 #150
Kebab is kebab and ćevap is ćevap. Kebab is Arabic creation under the influence of Cevap that is Slavic (particularly Serbian) dish. Cevap is old thing. As name of it says- Cevap is minced rolled meat (Cevap from `cev` - pipe, roll > so there comes `cevapcic`). You also have Pljeskavica that is prepared from same kind of minced meat (absolutely same recipe), just in a flattened/splashed form (Eng. flattened/splashed meat = Serb. spljeskano meso > `pljeskavica`).

Arabs came in contact with the Cevap via Turks, during Turkish occupation of Balkan Slavs.

So truly, remove kebab!


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