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Polands' Generation Y = instant generation


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
20 Jul 2013 #1
Today's 30 and 40 year old managers refer to fresh 20-some-year-old graduates entering the job market as 'generation Y' or 'the instant generation'. With no experience they are demanding stazting pay of 5,000-6,000 zł a month as IT specialists. Their CVs meant to show their achievements contain links that do not open, but may include photos of them in swimsuits during the recent holidays. They balk when the employer forbids them visiting Facebook during working hours.

Does this sound like a good description or today's recent graduates?

from: rp.pl
Lenka 3 | 2,631
20 Jul 2013 #2
I don't know anyone like that. Not a single person.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
21 Jul 2013 #3
Generation Y was the early 90's generation, not now.

And furthermore, they can get it - there's a shortage of good IT specialists in Poland.

Their CVs meant to show their achievements contain links that do not open

Never seen that yet.

but may include photos of them in swimsuits during theirrecent holidays.

Never seen that as well.

They balk when the employer forbids them visitng Facebook during working hours.

Depends what their job is. Most sensible employers don't restrict access to Facebook, they only ask that they don't overdo it.

Does this sound like a good description or today's recent graduates?

No. Sounds like a terrible description.

The real story is that today's graduates are entering the workplace too late and are often lacking in solid work experience.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
21 Jul 2013 #4
No it does not because I don't do any of these things, and i only visit facebook occasionally during working hours(: It would be worth mentioning that Genration Y lives in a far more competitive labor market, which demands far more qualifications than what previous generations needed. So i find all these comments about gen Y pretty glib to say the least.
jon357 67 | 16,854
21 Jul 2013 #5
Sounds like a silly season story. I hire people of that age group and I've never seen anything like that.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2013 #6
I've never seen anything like that

Great! Why not give us a thumbnail sketch of the typical 20-some-year-old job seekers you run into?
Pay expectations, job performance, general attitude, use of company computers for private emailing, computer games and facebookery, etc.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
21 Jul 2013 #7
Their CVs meant to show their achievements contain links that do not open, but may include photos of them in swimsuits during theirrecent holidays

Again one of your hilarious stories / lies / fairy tales?
Once again you haven't a clue how contemporary Poland, and more especially the young generation works and thinks. Ah yes, of course I forgot, they all should be in church.

CV's as a rule, but of course you haven't a clue once again, do not contain internet links.

stazting pay of 5,000-6,000 zł a month as IT specialists.

Jealous? As Delph wrote, they get this salary because they are necessary.

Regarding fb, what is a fact that increasingly potential employers check the fb activity of candidates.
And they also double-check on LinkedIn.

Maybe you should go on a job interview with a headhunter, in order to know how recruitment works in the real world.

computer games

You forgot to mention they listen to pop music on the work floor. The devil incarnate!
Which is mostly true, almost all offices and workshops have a radio blaring somewhere, and not radio maybach. We have RadioZet on all day.

use of company computers for private emailing, computer games and facebookery,

Jealous again? Most companies, - but then you wouldn't have a clue about such things - allow employees to use their company computer for private purposes, as long as they do not exaggerate, and their work does not suffer from it.

If they do not, they simply block access to for example fb or other websites.

What I do hear from colleagues in other companies, is that they cannot use Skype for example, but this has apparently something to do with it being a demanding application with bandwith use and can overburden the network. Maybe some IT people on this forum can confirm/clarify/correct this.

In my work (logistics) Skype is an essential tool.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2013 #8
Maybe you should go on a job interview with a headhunter

Who cares, so what, big deal! You really try to make a federal case out of every tiny titbit. Ran acorss it so threw it up to verify if is it was true. You immediately turn it into an attack on the poster. An idea or issue or someone else's qutoe shared on the forum does not necessarily mean the poster agrees with it. He may only wnat to see how others approach it.

RadioZet

Known to many Poles as RADIO BZDET!
GabiDaHun 2 | 152
21 Jul 2013 #9
Why are you so against people earning a decent living wage with reasonable working conditions Polonius?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2013 #10
Why are you so against people earning a decent living wage

Please indicate where I myself made such a statement.
GabiDaHun 2 | 152
21 Jul 2013 #11
Fair do's.

I wonder why you even mention it? It's a bit of a non thread then, isn't it? Anyone could start a thread describing a caricature pulled out of thin air. Do you have an opinion?

The answer to your op, succinctly put, is no. I don't recognise the caricature.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2013 #12
I don't recognise the caricature.

Truth to tell, my impression is that recent graduates, some 27% of hwom are unemployed, are happy to get 2,000 zł a month for starters. I was surprised at the high figure listed and wanted to verify it.
Harry
21 Jul 2013 #13
" stazting pay of 5,000-6,000 zł a month as IT specialists."
As opposed to charging 50zl for writing a fictional answer to a question from a gullible Polonian.

" But I wonder why you ask such a strange question."
He's just looking for yet another group to hate, another group to look down upon.
jon357 67 | 16,854
21 Jul 2013 #14
Great! Why not give us a thumbnail sketch of the typical 20-some-year-old job seekers you run into?
Pay expectations, job performance, general attitude, use of company computers for private emailing, computer games and facebookery, etc.

Normal hardworking young people. BTW, we block facebook during working hours. Personal email is acceptable.

This is true, however we don't block it and I use it frequently.

I wonder why you even mention it? It's a bit of a non thread then, isn't it? Anyone could start a thread describing a caricature pulled out of thin air. Do you have an opinion?

Very true.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
21 Jul 2013 #15
Ran acorss it so threw it up to verify if is it was true.

Did you get it from Rydzak in one of his confused moments perhaps?
Of course you found it somewhere, as always you do. You have to back up your invented postings somehow.
And still you haven't a clue how recruiting in Poland works, and neither how the work floor looks like.

BTW, we block facebook during working hours. Personal email is acceptable.

In our company gaming is not acceptable and the known sites are blocked as well. Though in lunchtime some colleagues play PC built-in games (card games and stuff like that).

In other words they never leave the office :).

but may include photos of them in swimsuits during theirrecent holidays.

If you tell such hilarious lies, you might as well give us a link to such nonsense so that we also can have a laugh or two.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2013 #16
you might as well give us a link to such nonsense

But I did give the link at the very outset. Unfortunately it was in Polish, so you probably didn't bother to read it.
Put through the Google Flemish translator if that'll help:

ekonomia.rp.pl/artykul/706205,1031472-Mowia-o-nich-pokolenie-instant.html
sobieski 107 | 2,128
21 Jul 2013 #17
Yes it is true, the link was there. And I read it. In Polish.
Still, they write a lot of nonsense.
I know a few people in HR in Warsaw, and I have never heard of somebody putting photos in swimsuit on his/her CV.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2013 #18
I have never heard of somebody putting photos in swimsuit on his/her CV.

Neither have I. Nor did I know you could insert links into a CV. Maybe that's the latest thing amogn the younger generation.
jon357 67 | 16,854
21 Jul 2013 #19
I advertised a job in Poland and asked for CV with no photo. They still put photos on - including some with the applicant wearing a wedding dress!
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2013 #20
They still put photos on

Probably it was part of the attachment and they figured there was no reason to try and remove it.
f stop 25 | 2,513
21 Jul 2013 #21
Regardless of how the job was obtained, it's the job performance that weeds them out.
We had a inappropriately dressed kid barely out of high school that seemingly did not much else except organize zombie games during lunch (players got extra perks such as graphics cards and memory boosts), but after he left for greener pastures, we never found a candidate that does not complain that the job requires a whole department, not just one person.
jon357 67 | 16,854
21 Jul 2013 #22
Probably it was part of the attachment and they figured there was no reason to try and remove it.

It was up in the top corner. If they know how to put a photo on, they know how to remove one. And if they don't, WTF were they applying for a job like that?

Regardless of how the job was obtained, it's the job performance that weeds them out.

Normal enough - though some awkward ones seem to stay for years.


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