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Let`s compare prices of services and products in Poland


OP pawian 181 | 17,079
26 May 2012 #121
I said a life expectancy. To make it simple for you, it means usefulness.

Yes, you did.

These were constructed with an expected lifespan of approx. 50 years (that's assuming that they were built to specs) and you think that they will last another 200 years? Stay off the subject of property, it's not your strong point.

Hmm, don`t you think that such terms as lifespan and last suggest the overall duration of the thing discussed, and not its usefulness?

life span or life·span (lfspn)
n.
1. A lifetime.
2. The average or maximum length of time an organism, material, or object can be expected to survive or last.


The government will need to begin very soon.

Actually, it seems you don`t know that the government has little to do with those housing cooperatives called spółdzielnia mieszkaniowa which own and run most blocks.

I will comment on what I know, not guesswork.

hmm........
Avalon 4 | 1,068
27 May 2012 #122
Housing Policy = Government.

Do you just like arguing for the sake of it?. You could always read the report and educate yourself a little.
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
27 May 2012 #123
Housing Policy = Government.

We already went through it - in communism.

But yes - I can agree - the government should do more to relieve the situation, especially for young marriages.

You could always read the report and educate yourself a little.

Your report is from 2004. It is not bad, but simply too old - in result - outdated.

Newest reports talk about 200.000 flats which will have to be removed from the market in the nearest future. However, those flats aren`t in communist blocks which still hold strong.

Do you just like arguing for the sake of it?.

Yes, I do. Just like you.
Avalon 4 | 1,068
27 May 2012 #124
Your report is from 2004. It is not bad, but simply too old - in result - outdated.

Not my report, a report !!!. Have any of the recommendations been put into effect? 2004-2012, not a lot has been achieved.

Newest reports talk about 200.000 flats which will have to be removed from the market in the nearest future. However, those flats aren`t in communist blocks which still hold strong.

That should improve the situation.
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
27 May 2012 #125
2004-2012, not a lot has been achieved.

Let me remind you that our interesting exchange of opinions mainly concerns concrete prefabricated buildings.
wladyslaw 1 | 10
27 May 2012 #126
-- packet of 20 cigarettes £6.30

£6.30 ? That's 31 zł ??
In Poland cigarettes cost 12 zł, and that's a lot.
That's why i smoke russian cigarettes, 50% cheeper :)
milky 13 | 1,657
27 May 2012 #127
two hours work in Poland for 20 and one hour in Ireland, if on minimum wage.
So as usual,in context, most thing are twice the price in Poland.
Barney 15 | 1,476
28 May 2012 #128
£6.30 ? That's 31 zł ??
In Poland cigarettes cost 12 zł, and that's a lot.
That's why i smoke russian cigarettes, 50% cheeper :)

They are more expensive now thats why I have been smoking tobaco from Spain for about a year, 50 grams for 6.50 english pounds couldnt beat it with a big stick
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
28 May 2012 #129
Underground fares

London - £4.30

Warsaw underground: 3.60 PLN
NorthMancPolak 4 | 648
28 May 2012 #130
It's not a fair comparison, and not strictly accurate. That fare is for cash payments - using an Oyster card, it only costs £2.00.

It's also possible to catch a bus in London for £1.30.

I earn six times as much as I would in Poland, so those "expensive" British fares would be much more affordable than Polish fares.

Come to think of it, I can't think of anything which is genuinely cheaper in Poland (if you consider local wages).

Oddly enough, it costs £2.70 for a bus fare round here - more expensive than London, but we have much lower wages!! <grr>
Barney 15 | 1,476
28 May 2012 #131
Oddly enough, it costs £2.70 for a bus fare round here - more expensive than London, but we have much lower wages!! <grr>

Thats because the SE of England is the most heavily subsidised part of Britain much more so than Scotland or Wales.
cms 9 | 1,255
28 May 2012 #132
One thing that is getting very expensive is parking

- from a random trip to Poznan this weekend.

- Airport 12 zloty. I was there for 35 minutes.
- Hotel Andersa - there for lunch, maybe 90 minutes 10 zloty.
- rutted and dirty piece of land near Rynek - was for 70 minutes - 8 zloty.

These prices have all doubled in recent years and the "kazdy rozpoczete godzina" thing is a rip off.

But in general I have no idea how the Poles afford their cars - it certainly seems a huge status symbol for them or their work is paying for it. Petrol proportional to wages is I think the highest in Europe (maybe Hungary is higher). Motorway costs are also a rip off - 12 or 13 zlots for less than 100km.
BritishEXPAT - | 4
28 May 2012 #133
- Airport 12 zloty. I was there for 35 minutes.

6zl for half an hour in short stay parking in an area that really doesn't have abdundant parking available. Or you could park very close to the terminal for free.

- Hotel Andersa - there for lunch, maybe 90 minutes 10 zloty.

Well, yes - it's smack bang in the centre of the city and financial area.

- rutted and dirty piece of land near Rynek - was for 70 minutes - 8 zloty.

You could have parked there for 120 minutes for the same price.

These prices have all doubled in recent years and the "kazdy rozpoczete godzina" thing is a rip off.

Why? A rip off is when you aren't informed of the full facts. It's quite normal to pay rounded up to the next hour - or you could use on-street parking and mobilet, paid to the minute.

But in general I have no idea how the Poles afford their cars - it certainly seems a huge status symbol for them or their work is paying for it.

The amount of undeclared income might have something to do with it...

While I'm at it - why would you park in a dirty piece of land near Stary Rynek when you can park in Park Wolnosci for the same price?
NorthMancPolak 4 | 648
28 May 2012 #134
Thats because the SE of England is the most heavily subsidised part of Britain much more so than Scotland or Wales.

Indeed.

While we made all the real money for the country by spinning cotton, Southerners still whine about how they have to subsidise the North. :)
jon357 69 | 18,457
28 May 2012 #135
It's always been like that. Wealth created in the North and flows down South. When I was a kid I remember visiting the South and seeing mile after mile of nice houses but no mills, pits etc and wondering where the hell they all worked and where the money for all the posh houses came from. Of course it came from us in the North.

Compared to Poland, there's some parallels. So much of Poland's income comes from food production and light engineering however the wealth flows into Warsaw.
Vincent 9 | 864 Moderator
28 May 2012 #136
How much is a haircut in Poland? The average that I've seen in the UK is now around £10.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384
28 May 2012 #137
How much is a haircut in Poland?

I pay 15zl.
Vincent 9 | 864 Moderator
28 May 2012 #138
that's a good price, especially for someone visiting Poland on holiday..
jon357 69 | 18,457
28 May 2012 #139
Yes. The going rate here in Warsaw at a cheap place is 20 - 25. I usually tip them 5 zl especially as a lot of places here work on a chair nt system.
pgtx 30 | 3,156
28 May 2012 #140
women probably pay much more :)
NorthMancPolak 4 | 648
28 May 2012 #141
Compared to Poland, there's some parallels. So much of Poland's income comes from food production and light engineering however the wealth flows into Warsaw.

Very true.

Silesian Independence thread? ;)

women probably pay much more :)

Yeah, but you lot don't have to pay to go on dates ;)
Vincent 9 | 864 Moderator
28 May 2012 #142
women probably pay much more :)

Of course, probably 5 times more, then there's nails and eyebrows too :)
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
28 May 2012 #143
Vincent:
How much is a haircut in Poland?

I pay 15zl.

15 in a big city.

12 in the countryside.

15 PLN versus &10. It is like & 2.80 to 10. Not bad.
Actually, all compared services have more or less the same ratio, be it haircut or car repair.

Today`s exchange rate is &1 - 5.43 PLN

It's not a fair comparison,

Yes, and no. :):):)

It is perfectly fair when it concerns a visitor to London. They haven`t got Oyster cards (btw, nice name).

However, even 3.60 PLN to £2 isn`t so bad. Still 3.5 times cheaper. :):):):)

OK, when we talk about residents, yes, it might be an unfair comparison.

So, let`s compare sth which functions in both capitals - monthly passes/tickets/travelcards for unlimited rides in zone 1.

Warsaw - 90 PLN (£18)

London £112.20

There is a difference, isn`t there? :):):):)

In English
ztm.waw.pl/index.php?c=110&l=2

tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14416.aspx

It's also possible to catch a bus in London for £1.30.

2012 price is £1.35 :):):)

Come to think of it, I can't think of anything which is genuinely cheaper in Poland (if you consider local wages).

There are hundreds, if not thousands of things. :):):)

Oddly enough, it costs £2.70 for a bus fare round here - more expensive than London, but we have much lower wages!! <grr>

Round here means Manchester? Good.

We have compared capitals so far.

How about other cities?

Krakow bus fare: 3.20 PLN = £ 0.60

Manchester, as you say, : £2.70

mpk.krakow.pl/pl/bilety2/cenniki-biletow-jednoprzejazdowych-i-wieloprzejazdowych04082011

Unfortunately, I couldn`t locate Manchester transport site.

I earn six times as much as I would in Poland, so those "expensive" British fares would be much more affordable than Polish fares.

Yes! :):):):):)

BTW, congrats! :):):)
Wroclaw Boy
28 May 2012 #144
NorthMancPolak:
Come to think of it, I can't think of anything which is genuinely cheaper in Poland (if you consider local wages).

There are hundreds, if not thousands of things. :):):)

Lets list some then.

Strawberries
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
28 May 2012 #145
Shyt, I thought strawberries in Poland are quite expensive this year due to frosty winter. We are buying only 1 kilo per day.

Supermarket prices:

UK - £ 8.30 per kilo.

PL - 10 PLN - £1.10

tesco.com/groceries/ProductBuylist/default.aspx?id=L00005512

promoceny.pl/detail/real-truskawka-100603

Market price: 8 PLN/kilo.
strzyga 2 | 993
28 May 2012 #146
Strawberries

As of today, 12 zł/kg in my neck of woods.
But I think in a week it will be 6-8 zł.

Apples are next. 2-3 zł now, out of season.

But the fairy tale ends when it comes to manufactured products.
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
28 May 2012 #147
But the fairy tale ends when it comes to manufactured products.

Yes, in that case 1:4 (1:5 sometimes) ratio vanishes.

Fiat Panda, 1.2, hatchback
UK - £ 8 396
buyacar.co.uk/cars/fiat/fiat_panda/category_429.jhtml

PL - 27.000 PLN = £ 5000
autocentrum.pl/nowe/fiat/panda/ii,hatchback-5d
Wroclaw Boy
28 May 2012 #148
Audi A3 1.6 2004 in Poland 32,000 PLN or £5,800
autogielda.pl/sprzedam_audi,audi_a3,II2ALL9N.html

Audi A3 1.6 2004 in the UK £3,695 or 20,080 PLN
autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201221473394319/sort/default/usedcars/engine-size-cars/1-4l_to_1-6l/price-from/2000/price-to/4000/maximum-age/up_to_10_years_old/model/a3/make/audi/page/3/postcode/so197jy/radius/200?logcode=p

These link's will only work for about a week
OP pawian 181 | 17,079
28 May 2012 #149
Audi A3 1.6 2004 in Poland 32,000 PLN or £5,800
Audi A3 1.6 2004 in the UK £3,695 or 20,080 PLN

You showed different cars, actually. UK car is 3 door,

And its mileage is much lower.

But it doesn`t matter, really. After having a look at second hand car prices, PL is more or less equal to UK. Disadvantage, then.
Wroclaw Boy
29 May 2012 #150
You showed different cars, actually. UK car is 3 door,

Ohh come on i dont have time to sit there studying specs, it was a quick match, i dont think a few thousand miles and another couple of doors quite substantiates the price difference of 12,000 PLN. The UK example is the S Line model. Poland is notorously known for having way more expensive used cars.

But it doesn`t matter, really. After having a look at second hand car prices, PL is more or less equal to UK. Disadvantage, then.

Not more or less, its more more more on every single level, even taking into acount the difference in wages, im talking at straight exchange rates Poland is way more expensive. Ive known guys in PL to buy like 1995 Ford Escorts for around 8000 PLN, you can get better models in the UK for less than £500 / 2700 PLN. Many of the cars still smoking around the public roads in PL would have been deamed practically worthless and sold for scrap in the UK. Hell i can remember not so long ago in the UK when we had to actually pay the scrap yards to take our old cars.

Some companies are even importing and making profits on certain van models, the ones that are easily and cost effectively switched to LHD.

Q: Why do you think the Polish gov wont allow RHD registered cars in PL?
A: there would be 10's of thousands within about a year considering the amount of Poles in the UK.

NorthMancPolak:
Come to think of it, I can't think of anything which is genuinely cheaper in Poland (if you consider local wages).

There are hundreds, if not thousands of things. :):):)

Lets hear some of them then....

It basically scales down to scarcity and availability.

Wild mushrooms and berries would be way cheaper in PL.


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