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Cold winter in Poland this year - Gas Shortages as of Late October


Chicago Pollock 7 | 504
22 Sep 2010 #1
Polish Companies Likely to Face Gas Shortages as of Late October

The Yamal contract between PGNiG and its Russian peer Gazprom expires on October 20 and the new one, already agreed upon by Poland and Russia, now faces objections from the EU.

The weekend talks between Poland, Russia and the EU have not brought any breakthrough and will be continued this week.

Poland could be neighborhood 1.5 billion cubic meters short on natural gas imports in Q4 to meet demand while keeping the system safely fed, officials told a news conference.

warsawvoice/WVpage/pages/article.php/13992/news

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Wroclaw Boy
22 Sep 2010 #2
Cool, im chopping wood so no need for the Russian gas.
espana 17 | 910
22 Sep 2010 #3
Cool, im chopping wood

Stop Cutting Down the Trees and Plant More
Harry
22 Sep 2010 #4
Cool, im chopping wood so no need for the Russian gas.

Why not get the neighbour's kid to do it for you?
Wroclaw Boy
22 Sep 2010 #5
Stop Cutting Down the Trees and Plant More

You turn on the heating switch, i sometimes burn wood whats the difference?

Why not get the neighbour's kid to do it for you?

Ohh from last year right..

Nah im on a keep fit spree.
poland_
22 Sep 2010 #6
You turn on the heating switch, i sometimes burn wood whats the difference?

You can buy recycled wood for 160-200 per sq mtr, then there is no need to chop down trees.
Wroclaw Boy
22 Sep 2010 #7
Its not m2 (sq mtr) its m3.

It costs less than that anyway, who said im chopping down trees? I have enough wood in my park just to pick it up of the floor or perhaps take a branch or two if need be. I was actually looking at some branches today some have around 5 m3 in one.

Also i have trees that have fallen naturally, so sometimes i just hack them up, problem is their soft woods and not so good for a fire.
Dougpol3 1 | 40
22 Sep 2010 #8
Anyway when is heating by coal going to be made illegal?

i'm sick of coughing my guts up every winter, even in the so called Middle class detached suburbs.

It is a sick joke. Literally.

Poland is still in the Dark Ages and thr government seriously needs to get an education and get some EU grants kicking in to replace coal in urban areas. An absolute priority number one in my book. Never mind the politics of "but the miners......." Fcuck em.

Rant over.
poland_
22 Sep 2010 #9
Its not m2 (sq mtr) its m3.

My mistake,thank you for bringing it to my attention.

It costs less than that anyway

I guess I pay the city premium.

I have enough wood in my park just to pick it up of the floor or perhaps take a branch or two if need be. I was actually looking at some branches today some have around 5 m3 in one.

It must get a bit lonely and isolated out there in the woods, no wonder you spend so much time on PF, I guess some like the good life though.
scottie1113 7 | 898
22 Sep 2010 #10
My heat comes from a radiator which is neither gas or electric. The only gas I use is for cooking, so I really don't care if this winter is cold. I already know how to cope with the cold.
Harry
22 Sep 2010 #11
Have you considered what might be used to fuel the plant which heats the water which goes into your radiator?
Wroclaw Boy
22 Sep 2010 #13
If im still here next year i think im going to get one of them.
Harry
22 Sep 2010 #14
You'd do well to think about getting a wood pellet burning system.
bimber94 7 | 254
22 Sep 2010 #15
It might be cheaper to stay in Thailand or India for the winter. I heard this winter will be a severe one.
poland_
22 Sep 2010 #16
That is what they say every year in Sept/Oct. It does not matter how cold it gets along as you are prepared for it.
scottie1113 7 | 898
22 Sep 2010 #17
There is no bad weather, only bad clothes.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
22 Sep 2010 #18
I am kinda hoping for a mild winter this year , after almost freezing to death in my old farm last winter , and it seemed to go on for so dam long...!

However , this will be my last winter in Polska , my last winter alone , next winter i will be in Moscow , where my Russian girfriend assures me it will be as warm as California in the summer....I am sure she wouldn,t lie to me...????
poland_
22 Sep 2010 #19
However , this will be my last winter in Polska

If it gets too cold, chop down those apples trees, as a parting swipe.
scottie1113 7 | 898
22 Sep 2010 #20
However , this will be my last winter in Polska , my last winter alone , next winter i will be in Moscow , where my Russian girfriend assures me it will be as warm as California in the summer....I am sure she wouldn,t lie to me...????

She didn't lie to you. I'm from California and I assure you, the winter in Moscow will be exactly like San Diego in the summer. Nothing but sunshine and palm trees in both places. :)
wildrover 98 | 4,451
22 Sep 2010 #21
If it gets too cold, chop down those apples trees,

Ha,,no i can,t do that...i am selling the farm to a good friend of mine...
OP Chicago Pollock 7 | 504
23 Sep 2010 #22
Reason for the post: Why is Poland purchasing nat gas from the heavy handed Ruse-ski's after what they did to the Ukraine in what was it, 2008? Cutting off their gas supply. Looks like it's going to be a cold winter.

Better to start using what Poland has, coal and agriculture. Coal gasification plants and build anaerobic digesters from agricultural waste which would generate methane for your gas lines.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_digester
plk123 8 | 4,150
23 Sep 2010 #23
Anyway when is heating by coal going to be made illegal?

what do you propose to use instead?

Yes, and it isn't gas.

what is it then? coal? lol

I heard this winter will be a severe one.

the weather men are never right..

I am sure she wouldn,t lie to me...????

lol.. didn't you say she was a 1/2 roma? she's spinning you a yarn, mate. lol moscow is way colder then pomerania.

Reason for the post: Why is Poland purchasing nat gas from the heavy handed Ruse-ski's after what they did to the Ukraine in what was it, 2008? Cutting off their gas supply. Looks like it's going to be a cold winter.

what is PL supposed to do in the mean time? building the other kind of infrastructure will take a long time.. in the mean time you want everyone to freeze?
OP Chicago Pollock 7 | 504
23 Sep 2010 #24
Well, ya gotta start some place. But for now? Coal fireplace. It's romantic too.
Wroclaw Boy
23 Sep 2010 #25
scottie1113:
Yes, and it isn't gas.

what is it then? coal? lol

I thought you were Polish? Theres plenty of fuels other than coal or gas to heat a house.
plk123 8 | 4,150
23 Sep 2010 #26
radiators use steam/hot water which is created by heat from coal or gas ... possibly diesel. so his statement makes no sense.. thus i asked my Q.
poland_
23 Sep 2010 #27
I thought you were Polish? Theres plenty of fuels other than coal or gas to heat a house.

What does being Polish, have to do with it. You are such an antagonist WB, you must get very wet, pissing in the wrong direction all the time.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
23 Sep 2010 #28
Noo , PLK , for sure she would not lie to me...??????????

Actually , last year Moscow was about the same tempreture as here in Pomerania , but i am aware it can get pretty dam cold over there...

Her appartment is pretty warm though , and when we go looking for a house in the forest , one of the priorities will be to choose a wooden house that is well insulated...

My farm in Poland has one of those big wood burning heaters , and its very effective , but the old windows and roof let all the heat it produces out into space....
Alb - | 1
23 Sep 2010 #29
Probably a good heat source should be "Biomass". Biomass is a mix of waste from carpenters, non-useful timber and other debris cleanups of parks and forests, used to burned in a boiler.

It's really cheap and all cities and any National Park produce enough biomass to heat more than a city.
Thanks for listen me
Wroclaw Boy
23 Sep 2010 #30
What does being Polish, have to do with it.

If you dont know im not going to tell you.


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