Catholic "Telewizja Trwam" from Poland - your thoughts?

No. saying you agree with a death is not the same as killing someone.


That's the standard theological line.


This is what we don't know, probably never will and oughtn't to rely on the gospels for.

Utter bollocks: blasphemers were stoned, not crucified.


Well, he did say Jehovah....
youtube.com/watch?v=ZNeq2Utm0nU
(I wonder which Polish TV channel the women in that video would watch if they were alive and lived in Poland today).

Asking for someone to be killed is worse than agreeing with the killing of somebody.


Jesus said he was the son of God and this enraged many Jews, more than somebody simply using the Lord's name in vein. It's astonishing, that after a couple of thousand years some people [like the usual troublemakers on this forum] are trying to skew what happened. So apparently it wasn't the Jews. Wait for it, soon we'll hear that Jesus was crucified with the other thieves, because he himself was a thief. He did nothing wrong! Even those that don't believe in him, believe he was there and was generally just a good guy trying to preach good. There is no record anywhere, from what I have seen, of him being a criminal or anything of the sort.


According to Jon though, he probably did something wrong, but we don't know what, or else the 100% righteous and honest, law abiding Cesar would not have had him crucified. Oh yeah there is no possible way he had him crucified, because the Jewish masses wanted it this way, and he didn't want to have problems with them.

Doesn't fit with your earlier comment:


According to the authorities of the day, even. Though I wouldn't rule out anything - we'll never know and we have no reliable source material.

You have an interesting understanding of the word 'probably'...

That story is your writings, not ours. We don't have to explain an event that may never have happened. What is true is that the Romans in that period crucified Jews right and left, so it's certainly possible that they crucified a man named Jesus. But I never saw any mention of it in the Mishna, the part of the Talmud that was written in those times, so I doubt that his execution, if it happened, attracted more attention than the hundreds of others who were killed the same way.


As far as I'm concerned the whole event was a legend. Along with the virgin birth, being the son of god etc. Every religion has it's stories and you're welcome to believe in yours. But just keep me out of it.


Maybe in biblical times they were, but in the second temple period and certainly in the roman occupation the Sanhedrin didn't have the power to carry out executions.

But if you want to study religious executions, why go so far back into history? People are executed in the Muslim world for blasphemy even today.

I think you'll have to email the old pope and let him know that he's wrong in your opinion.


christianitytoday.com/ct/2011/marchweb-only/popepointsfinger.html

I think that the former Pope was trying to prevent antisemitism. The fact is, people killed Jesus, and people wanted him crucified. It just so happens that the people who wanted him crucified were Jews, because he was Jewish and said he was the son of God.

In the quotes you posted, it is fairly clear that the previous Pope was just trying to move Christians away from this notion that the Jews are to blame, and concentrate on the fact that we are sinners.

Currently showing a programme about prayer groups at Auschwitz, with lots of very distressing archive photos. Shame it was not on earlier in the evening before the mohair berets went to bed.