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Catholic "Telewizja Trwam" from Poland - your thoughts?


Ironside 51 | 11,338
28 May 2012 #61
Why not ?At least they would have to produce evidence of some kind whereas press can speculate their asses into next week.
jon357 71 | 21,105
28 May 2012 #62
Better to trust what actually happened. And 'trwam' as well as radio maryja have a documented history of spamming the airwaves as well as other malfeasance. Plenty of posts on here about it over the years.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
28 May 2012 #63
Are we going merry go around ? see post #63
jon357 71 | 21,105
28 May 2012 #64
So you're pretending that 'tram' and radio maryja haven't been in trouble for spamming the airwaves? Plenty of links here if you use the search function.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
29 May 2012 #65
Pretending ? My answer to that is in my post -63!
jon357 71 | 21,105
29 May 2012 #66
So yes, pretending. The rydzyk empire has a shoddy history of unethical behaviour.
xzqbq7 2 | 104
29 May 2012 #67
empire has a shoddy history of unethical behaviour.

Can we ask for links or it is too much to ask and we need to take your statements as truth?

Don't forget the filth they put on regime media, so be careful what you describe as 'shoddy'.

Anyway remind me how do we call a country with entire official media supporting government and de-humanizing oposition?
Is there a special name?
jon357 71 | 21,105
29 May 2012 #68
I suggest you have a look back over this forum. It has been discussed here ad nauseam, page upon page of links have been posted and it has been demonstrated beyond doubt how appalling the rydzyk empire is.

Fortunately it is a largely spent force and the voters of Poland have shown they do not trust the party/parties that rydzyk was promoting.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
30 May 2012 #69
I suggest you have a look back over this forum. It has been discussed here ad nauseam, page upon page of links have been posted and it has been demonstrated beyond doubt how appalling the rydzyk empire is.

99,9% stipulations and personal opinions !#
jon357 71 | 21,105
30 May 2012 #70
So it was a 'personal opinion' when they were censured by KRRiT?

Not that personal opinions are out of place on a discussion forum...
polonius 54 | 420
28 Oct 2012 #71
Merged: World-wide Polonia backs TV Trwam

Concerned patriotic people of Polish backgrund around the globe have held marches and rallies in surpport of media pluralism and a rightful digital paltform slot for TV Trwam. Such demonstrations have been held not onyl across Poland but also in Paris, Australia, Chicago, Manchester, New York and many points in between. They know that only the voice of free Catholic Poland can challenge the stranglehold on information flow in Poland now held by the monopolistic, politically uncouth leftist-liberal media.

Polonia around the world not only closely watching the action in the homeland compatriots who are afraid of the situation in the country , facing the street , but the gesture of solidarity at the same time overlooking the street.

Association for the Protection of the Cross in Paris , Association Our Polonia and Polish Association of Political Prisoners in Australia , as well as Poles living in Manchester in solidarity with the march in defense of free media and TV Trwam , which will be held today in Warsaw. That day Polonia organizing pickets , among others, in front of the Polish Embassy in Paris, the Polish Consulate in Sydney . Solidarity marches will also take place in Canada.

jon357 71 | 21,105
28 Oct 2012 #72
So let TV Trwam fulfil the criteria for a licence and they won't have to hold demonstrations that nobody pays attention to.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
28 Oct 2012 #73
Why won't Rydzyk reveal the letter from the authorities that state the reasons for refusal? Why?

Whats interesting is that these idiots don't even realise that nothing has changed for Trwam, they can still broadcast freely on cable and satellite, just like now.
polonius 54 | 420
28 Oct 2012 #74
But they would have greater access with the digital multiplex slot. Slots have been accorded to unknown, unprepared, fly-by-night outfits, and, when they couldn't afford the fee the Broadcast Authority bent oiver backwards and even agreed to break it down into instalments. The bottom line is that the ruling clique is using every legal ruse they can find to defend the monopollstic status of the mainstream leftist-liberal media. Is this not a rehash of the old Stalinist tactic -- Jest człowiek? Znajdzie się przepis (Got a man? A regulation can be found to deal with him).
jon357 71 | 21,105
28 Oct 2012 #75
Why won't Rydzyk reveal the letter from the authorities that state the reasons for refusal? Why?

Whats interesting is that these idiots don't even realise that nothing has changed for Trwam, they can still broadcast freely on cable and satellite, just like now.

This pretty well sums it all up.

They are subject to the same regulations about financial disclosure as other applicants. What certain posters here who bleat about Trwam avoid saying is why they think it should be a special case.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
28 Oct 2012 #76
But they would have greater access with the digital multiplex slot

Irrelevant. All the whining and complaining about the Government restricting them is rubbish - the status quo has not changed. They are still available, as ever, on cable and satellite.

Slots have been accorded to unknown, unprepared, fly-by-night outfits, and, when they couldn't afford the fee the Broadcast Authority bent oiver backwards and even agreed to break it down into instalments.

So why doesn't Rydzyk reveal the reasons why they refused Trwam, then? What's in the letter from the broadcasting authorities that he doesn't want people to know?

The bottom line is that the ruling clique is using every legal ruse they can find to defend the monopollstic status of the mainstream leftist-liberal media.

No no. The real bottom line is that Rydzyk has manipulated his followers - again. Why aren't they asking Rydzyk to reveal the reasons for refusal? Why does he refuse to tell? What's he hiding?

Is this not a rehash of the old Stalinist tactic

How can we know if Rydzyk refuses to reveal the reason for refusal?
InWroclaw 89 | 1,914
9 Nov 2013 #77
Currently talking about Jews' historical attitude to Jesus.
yehudi 1 | 433
10 Nov 2013 #79
Currently talking about Jews' historical attitude to Jesus.

Jews never had much of any attitude toward Jesus the man or his teachings. We had an attitude toward the christian religion, and anything said about jesus would be an expression of that.

What did they say on the TV show?
InWroclaw 89 | 1,914
10 Nov 2013 #80
Well, from the little that was translated for me, it seemed unhelpful to present day Jewish-Christian relations and could risk stirring up pointless negatives between Jews and Christians. Also, lots of reference to the Talmud, which I hope was sans the lies that some sources like to come up with. For anyone interested in the Talmud, I think this website might be a myth buster (ie explain what the Talmud really said) talmud.faithweb.com

Christian or indeed Jewish academics may disagree with me, but I failed to see the point of rehashing that stuff - true or not.
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
10 Nov 2013 #81
Jews never had much of any attitude toward Jesus the man or his teachings. We had an attitude toward the christian religion, and anything said about jesus would be an expression of that.

Are you sure? What about that whole crucifixion business? Was that not a particular type of negative attitude to Jesus [unless of course you are referring only to modern day Jews]?
InWroclaw 89 | 1,914
10 Nov 2013 #82
Are you sure? What about that whole crucifixion business?

Jews did not crucify Jesus. They had no such power.
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
10 Nov 2013 #83
Oh here we go. So I suppose that they had nothing to do with it?
jon357 71 | 21,105
10 Nov 2013 #84
I think the Romans had a little to do with it, being in charge and all that.

Not that TV Trwam likes to blame Rome for anything at all ;-)
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
10 Nov 2013 #85
Yeah I suppose the Jews did not demand he be crucified or anything like that.
jon357 71 | 21,105
10 Nov 2013 #86
No they didn't. An angry crowd did. Not 'the Jews'. Some of them in fact rather liked him.
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
10 Nov 2013 #87
Oh some of them did now did they? I can't believe you are trying to re-interpret what happened. How do you know they didn't? Of course they demanded he be crucified, the whole anger, on their part, was that he was claiming to he the son of God, that to the Jews, was blasphemous. The didn't did not physically kill him themselves, but that doesn't make them innocent.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,914
10 Nov 2013 #88
Yeah I suppose the Jews did not demand he be crucified or anything like that.

Well, obviously I'm no pro historian but I had quite a good look into this a few years ago, and concluded that suggestions "the Jews killed Jesus" were erroneous. But, of course, you're free to disagree with me, as I wasn't there and can't be 100% sure. But, from what research I came across, I decided it was a myth -- perpetrated for various reasons I suppose.
jon357 71 | 21,105
10 Nov 2013 #89
Oh some of them did now did they?

Yes. Do you blame all of them?

but that doesn't make them innocent.

Or him either for that matter.

To repeat, do you blame them as a whole (including those who weren't even in the same town)?
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
10 Nov 2013 #90
To answer your question, no I only blame those Jews that roared for him to be crucified. However if other Jews in other towns [or Jews now for that matter] say they agree with his crucifixion and state that he deserved to die, then they are just a guilty. Having said that, we [Christians] often refer to us [people] having crucified Jesus, so it is not a case of blaming Jews, even if they were. The bottom line is, people crucified him.

As for Jesus not being innocent [as you said]. What exactly was he guilty of that earned him a crucifixion? Disturbing the piece?


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