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Catholic "Telewizja Trwam" from Poland - your thoughts?


Richfilth 6 | 415
22 Apr 2012 #31
There's no need to be so aggressive. I'm well aware of what the news says; I work there.

If Trwam put on their application "Charity status" or filed for plurality, then they'd get their place. They didn't, they applied as a business with the rights to run advertising and generate revenue, but they did not specify their terms and conditions. They don't want to run as a charity because then they can't reap the business benefits, but they don't want to run as a business because then they wouldn't be able to accept donations from poor old women.

It's Trwam trying to have its cake and eat it. And I didn't realise my tolerance was famous, one-sided or otherwise.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,914
22 Apr 2012 #32
Ironside: So much for the Vatican shunning RM.
Really?

Jon357
The link you supplied was 2006. I know all about those. I'm talking about now.

The letter would appear to be dated 2011. See radiomaryja.pl/artykuly.php?id=1140628
jon357 71 | 21,105
22 Apr 2012 #33
The link you supplied was 2006.

That makes it less valid? Or that a polite message has somehow cancelled it out? No. Unless you're suggesting the Rydzyk has somehow changed since then, sold his Maybach and started to avoid politics, which judging by the protests in Warsaw, he clearly hasn't.
OP WielkiPolak 58 | 1,024
22 Apr 2012 #34
Yes it's a bad channel. They don't deserve a place on the multiplex. We can count on Polsat and TVN to tell us the truth with zero propaganda and bias, right? Am I right? Who's with me on this?
InWroclaw 89 | 1,914
22 Apr 2012 #35
What I am saying, Jon, is that you said the Vatican had shunned them. Unintentionally perhaps, that gave the readers of the thread the impression of present tense. The truth is very important - from both sides. That truth seems to say the Vatican are not shunning them presently, 2006 is 2006. I had more hair then, I don't have it now...
jon357 71 | 21,105
23 Apr 2012 #36
the Vatican had shunned them.

Yes. Perhaps I should have said the Polish Pope, John Paul II shunned them.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
23 Apr 2012 #37
Rydzyk is running a business. Thing is his customers are poor pensioners who believe his marketing tricks and contribute their meager pensions to his empire.

I remember he sold mobile phones for his own network - aimed at old-age people. Does this network still exist? And then there was the episode with the TV decoders.

Cyfra+ also sells decoders, and Orange mobile phones. But they are genuine commercial outfits.
Rydzyk pretends to be a priest and to represent the "True Poland". But in reality he is a "money-shark".
InWroclaw 89 | 1,914
23 Apr 2012 #38
I remember he sold mobile phones for his own network - aimed at old-age people. Does this network still exist?

If you mean the SIM cards, of all the networks they seemed to offer the best value in my circumstances - because the credit didn't expire for at least a year if you didn't use it up. Probably some prices on the tariff were not as good as others, but the fact the money I topped up on to the phone stayed there if unused without me needing to top up again to get it back was a big plus. I still have that SIM, but I think some corporate bought the network now. (SIM: wrodzinie)
jon357 71 | 21,105
23 Apr 2012 #39
Probably some prices on the tariff were not as good as other

They weren't.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
23 Apr 2012 #40
My point is that he is running a business. He is not acting as a priest, merely as hawking businessman, fooling his customers, and counting on the government to subsidize him.

Sim cards. He is pretending to represent Catholic and Decent Poland....The Defender of free speech...
Sure all networks offer prepaid simcards - that is their line of business, Biedronka also sells sim cards. So where is the difference between Biedronka and rydzyk?

He despises the EU but is fighting for EU subsidies for his geothermal folly.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,914
25 May 2012 #41
So what happened today? I could only find this

topix.com/forum/world/poland/TH7E71954A8IBBGB1

Surely it is unfair discrimination if they have the money and are funded?

I am not religious in the least, but take an interest in this as it seems weird to turn them down - or do I not know the full facts?
sobieski 107 | 2,128
26 May 2012 #42
Interesting is to see why the whole RM crowd believes rydzyk's lies. TV Trwam can still spread their lies. They are on cable and on satellite. It is not that they are barred on the airwaves. They seem to think they do not have to comply with any non-PIS law.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
26 May 2012 #43
My point

What point ? You couldn't make a point of your life dependent on it !
pawian 194 | 19,860
27 May 2012 #44
Telewizja Trwam - your thoughts?

No thoughts at all.

I don`t watch TV.

Sorry.
xzqbq7 2 | 104
27 May 2012 #45
Ironside

You couldn't make a point of your life dependent on it !

100% true.

Regarding TW Trwam the government made a mockery out of court. I really expected them to make peace before national holiday/great
event that EURO will be. They just proved that their life depends on shotting down TW Trwam, they absolutely cannot coexist with
one TV station not running their official propaganda. They just lost any legitymacy they may have still had. This can be only compared to
situation in 1981 when communist government claiming to be 'working people government' imposed martial law against trade union composed
of 10 million working people.
jon357 71 | 21,105
27 May 2012 #46
They just proved that their life depends on shotting down TW Trwam, they absolutely cannot coexist with
one TV station not running their official propaganda.

You're missing the point that 'trwam' will still be available on not one, not two, but three platforms. Unlike the supporters of 'trwam' and the rest of the rydzyk empire, the government actually favour free speech. Unlike the trwamists who would be quite satisfied if theres was the only tv station on air.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
27 May 2012 #47
You're missing the point that 'trwam' will still be available on not one, not two, but three platforms

Isn't government generous, wow ! three platforms and they want more ?greedy bastards !

Unlike the supporters of 'trwam' and the rest of the rydzyk empire, the government actually favour free speech

Oh my god ! Isn't government great, they favor the right of citizens to free speech, isn't that marvelous ? Wait !? Is that means that the government could not favour it ? Could they cap the free speech ?

Congratulation on completing your excessive research of trwam supporters (if there such category) and of the rydzyk empire (I wasn't aware that was an empire, I thought they have been refused place on multiplex because of their poor financial standing i.e. that wouldn't be able to pay, and here empire wow! ). There must have been laborious research otherwise you would be talking out your ass.When can we see publication ?

Unlike the trwamists who would be quite satisfied if theres was the only tv station on air.

Wow ! I'm looking forward to publication of your research!
jon357 71 | 21,105
27 May 2012 #48
There are only 4 in the country. But they want it all. And their record of illegally spamming the airwaves in Warsaw and on cable platforms suggests they don't care how they get it.

And yes it is marvellous that we have a government who favour free speech. The 'trwam' supporting PiS government definitely didn't favour free speech and said so openly. Not to mention that the rydzyk empire have a history of initiating legal action to prevent freedom of expression, including prosecuting art galleries.

As for any research about the ethics of 'tram' and the rest of the rydzyk empire, I refer you to the first paragraph!
Ironside 51 | 11,338
27 May 2012 #49
There are only 4 in the country. But they want it all. And their record of illegally spamming the airwaves in Warsaw and on cable platforms suggests they don't care how they get it.

a textbook criminals shouldn't they got to jail ?

And yes it is marvellous that we have a government who favour free speech.

Well you didn't answer my question does it means that they could not favour it?

a history of initiating legal action to prevent freedom of expression, including prosecuting art galleries.

Freedom of expression is something else than freedom of speech! The freedom of speech is there to let people criticize government without fear of being prosecuted.

Freedom of expression is just interest of few for the few for the sole purpose of offending general public.
Government that says - do whatever you like as long as you support me - is supporting freedom of expression but it is not the same as favoring freedom of speech !
jon357 71 | 21,105
27 May 2012 #50
No. Freedom of expression and freedom of speech are indivisible. Whether people are offended or not.

And re. your point about going to jail for spamming the airwaves, don't be so bloody daft. Firstly the penalty is a fine and/or loss of broadcasting licence, not jail, and secondly they weren't prosecuted because the ruling party at the time, the PiS/LPR/Samoobrona coalition were their biggest (indeed only) allies. Of course they should have been prosecuted but the awful Kaczynski twins and their henchmen Giertych and Lepper, despite the bluster, never gave a moment's thought to either law or justice...
Ironside 51 | 11,338
28 May 2012 #51
No. Freedom of expression and freedom of speech are indivisible.

That is what some would like people to believe but it ain't so !

secondly they weren't prosecuted because the ruling party at the time, the PiS/LPR/Samoobrona coalition were their biggest (indeed only) allies.

Are you claiming there isn't i an independent judiciary in Poland ?Are you are claiming that somehow government use some secretive means to influence that case isn't that a conspiracy theory you were so contemptuous about some time ago ?

Hows your foil hat ?:D
jon357 71 | 21,105
28 May 2012 #52
It's entirely so. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are indivisible.

As for your 'point' about the judiciary, you seem to either know very little about the legal system in Poland or you're hoping people won't know how it works. The judiciary do not decide if someone will be prosecuted or not. The prosecution service - which is not independent - make that decision. And 'trwam' had some pretty influential supporters during the PiS regime, no?
BritishEXPAT - | 4
28 May 2012 #53
The prosecution service - which is not independent - make that decision. And 'trwam' had some pretty influential supporters during the PiS regime, no?

Indeed, the manipulation of the prosecutors by PiS was pretty sickening. Much of what PO is doing is reversing the damage done by those crazy couple of years - when you realise how many people owed their position to Jaroslaw Kaczynski, you soon see why he should never be allowed near Government again.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
28 May 2012 #54
The prosecution service - which is not independent - make that decision. And 'trwam' had some pretty influential supporters during the PiS regime, no?

Any proof ?or just a conspiracy theory ?

Indeed, the manipulation of the prosecutors by PiS was pretty sickening. Much of what PO is doing is reversing the damage done by those crazy couple of years - when you realise how many people owed their position to Jaroslaw Kaczynski,

Wasn't there parliamentary commission set by PO to investigate alleged misuses of power during Kaczynski "regime" - they found - attention attention .... nothing of the sort!

I would advice you to not use those words while speaking or writing under your real name - it is an open invitation for suing !
BritishEXPAT - | 4
28 May 2012 #55
Any proof ?or just a conspiracy theory ?

I suspect you look at how numerous illegal acts by Ryzdyk's empire were simply ignored during the PiS Government.

Wasn't there parliamentary commission set by PO to investigate alleged misuses of power during Kaczynski "regime" - they found - attention attention .... nothing of the sort!

As far as I know, he's on the verge of being hauled up for abusing his power. There is certainly a plan to strip him of his parliamentary immunity.

I would advice you to not use those words while speaking or writing under your real name - it is an open invitation for suing !

I invite Jaroslaw Kaczynski, the retarded dwarf, to come and sue I, Arthur Critchley.

I'll even post my address if he wants.
jon357 71 | 21,105
28 May 2012 #56
Any proof? Do you really need to ask that when the then regime gave press conferences to which only 'trwam' were invited and their outspoken support of certain political parties is a matter of public record?

As for the manipulation of prosecutors - it is again a matter of public record.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
28 May 2012 #57
As for the manipulation of prosecutors - it is again a matter of public record.

any links ?

As far as I know, he's on the verge of being hauled up for abusing his power. There is certainly a plan to strip him of his parliamentary immunity.

They will never do it ! Just a friendly jousting !
jon357 71 | 21,105
28 May 2012 #58
Any links?

Plenty of posts here over the years - if I remember you feature in some of the threads yourself, and plenty of material in the Polish media.
Ironside 51 | 11,338
28 May 2012 #59
Any links?

No, I mean links to the parliamentary commission findings or such like ?
jon357 71 | 21,105
28 May 2012 #60
Would you trust a parliamentary commission here?


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