Brits on benefits in Poland?

Not however in Poland and in any case there are moves afoot to bring back such people of British citizenship, whatever their actual nationality may be.

So Cartman won't have any trouble giving us named case studies backing up what he is claiming, will he.

Cartman has gone very quiet when it comes to giving us named case studies backing up what he is claiming, hasn't he.
I do hope that his internet privileges haven't been taken away again.

It's called having a good reputation among your peers, the sectors you do business in, or the communities you serve.

But if your whole life is spent on the dole or you can only manage to work zero-hour contracts then of course being good at what you do and garnering a reputation for it would be something utterly meaningless.


You're wrong. People who are very good at what they do and take pride in their work really do want to be a household name. This is so whether they are someone like Bill Gates (entrepreneur and now billionaire philanthropist) or a Polish plumber working in East London who gets loads of referrals due to his expertise and dependability.


Many do. Regarding shopkeepers the big, brandname stores of today were founded by people who started out at the bottom in shops working for others and either made it to the top or earned success by breaking out on their own. Financial analysts are always publishing studies. It's also commonplace today for people working with computers (design, programming and operation) and even farmers to contribute to trade journals and/or develop new patents in their respective career fields.

The only exception to this would be some British scallywag who lost work as a builder to more highly skilled immigrants from the Continent; who then failed at running a pub in Blighty; then fled to Poland hoping but failing to start a language school; and now as a bitter washed-up OAP just surviving off benefits spends all day on PF railing against Poles and Polonia.


So name them.

Quite.


Really? Many if not most people do not want to be a 'household name'. Since you suggest Polish Plumbers in 'the East End' want to be "household names", perhaps you can name one who is a "household name"


Can you name "many" publicans, farmers pensioners who immigrated to Poland and specialise in "published studies". In a word, no.


You're asking me to name myself online? I prefer not to become a "household name". .And since you've never been to Poland and don't speak a word of the language there's no point referring you to information about that sector of the Polish community who came from the UK, whether they are "household names" or not - you wouldn't be familiar with any of them or the Polish environment they live and work in. There are however quite a few high achievers even on this forum.


Indeed. Hilarious to read a 14 year old from a different continent say that all Polish Plumbers in the "East End" all want to be "household names" and should produce "published studies" and "technical patents". Made my day!

Sorry but we're still waiting for Cartman to give us named case studies backing up what he is claims and what he has long thought about.

As soon as you provide us with those names case studies about "unproductive Brits slumming it in Poland", "these idle beings managed to get on some sort of incapacity benefit years ago back in Blighty and then hopped it over to Poland to take further advantage of the low cost of living and exchange rate in favor of the pound" and "some British scallywag who lost work as a builder to more highly skilled immigrants from the Continent; who then failed at running a pub in Blighty; then fled to Poland hoping but failing to start a language school; and now as a bitter washed-up OAP just surviving off benefits spends all day on PF railing against Poles and Polonia", one of each please, I'll be more than happy to give you named examples of Brits who are "Hardworking and enterprising people are well known in the career fields. They are out there making a difference and are anything but reclusive. If they are not household names already then at the very least they have their names attached to successes such as published studies, technological patents or business deals creating jobs in a community. They may even be involved in humanitarian or charitable causes. They may also have been acknowledged publicly for their accomplishments."

We're waiting, Cartman.

Are we not going to get those named case studies?

I have read this article a number of times and to give you some real numbers, of the approx. 30,000 Brits claiming benefits in other EU countries, 26,000 of them are in just 5 countries, Ireland 12,000, Germany 6000, France 3,000, Spain 3,000 and Italy 2,500. The number of people from the 10 countries that have joined the EU since 2004 that are claiming job seekers allowance in the UK is approx. 33,000 (16.000 of which are Polish) the number of Brits living in those same 10 countries claiming the equivalent benefits is just 62 people.

For anyone to claim that Brits just sign on, get their jobseekers and disability payments and high tail it to Poland is very much misguided, the 2 things to bear in mind are the rules regarding jobseekers, you may be called into the DWP office at a moments notice, attending back to work programmes (Serena Russo for example) signing on every 2 weeks and the other thing is the old British ''stiff upper lip'' most will do anything so as not to fail, there will be some chancers that will try it on but they won't get far.

So a question, If as some people on here think this it what the Brits do, why wouldn't someone from Poland go to the UK, doss at their mates for 3 months (residency test) sign on for their jobseekers and return to Poland, for those of you that thinks it's that easy, my challenge to you is, try it, please let me know how you get on.

Something of greater concern is that there are approx 28,000 children that live in Poland that are paid the full UK child benefit because 1 or both of their parents (having passed the 3 month residency) live but not necessarily working can claim this as child benefit is classed as a ''universal benefit'' so lets work it out, 1 guy not working with 2 children living in Poland, 1 jobseekers + 2 child benefits = 2508zl per month.

I have worked out that in January 2016 ie 3/4 of the way through the current UK tax year I will only be taking home half of what I earn (due to tax and NI). Until April.

I am seriously considering jacking in work. It galls me to think that, probably a good proportion of my tax will be paid to Muslim benefit claiming replacements... I'd rather not!

Something new that I wasn't aware of, from March 9th 2015, after ''being on benefits'' for 3 months it is the ''intention'' that these individuals are re-interviewed, if they cannot show any reason that they are likely to become employed in the near future they will loose their rights to benefits and also the right to reside in the UK, I suspect that it may take a lot longer than the 3 months stated due to the number of people claiming, at least a step in the right direction.

Billy9999, I don't disagree but keep your chin up man, I know it's frustrating but think of your self pride and the example if you have children.