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Animal Rights Movements in Poland


MareGaea 29 | 2,752
28 Oct 2009 #1
...are they present? What do they do? How influential are they? Do they have many supporters?

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M-G (curious)
wildrover 98 | 4,451
28 Oct 2009 #2
There is no RSPCA or anything like that , but i believe there are animal welfare organisations here....not sure how powerfull they are.....

I know when i mentioned moving to Poland to a horsey friend of mine in the UK , she instantly mentioned the cruel methods of transporting horses here for slaughter...not sure if that still goes on..?
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
28 Oct 2009 #3
Thanks, wildrover.

Anybody can enlighten further on this?

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M-G (animal rights)

Come on guys - I can't believe nobody knows anything about this topic. Are there raids on mink-farms, animal-testing laboratries? Et cetera? Anything done to protect our four legged fellow-earthlings?

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M-G (if we own the Earth, they do too)
mvefa 5 | 591
28 Oct 2009 #4
Naah probably is not interesting at all to debate for them. You have to raise topics on how great/bad Poland is, and on how other countries did bad to Poland, then the comments rise like foam on a cheap beer.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
28 Oct 2009 #5
You tend to find that animal rights are strongest in countries that are capitalist , and have a strong economy...in poorer countries , where human rights are still being fought for , the poor animals don,t get much consideration....

In Poland i believe there are organisations that look after animals rights , but its not as well organised as in the UK for example... I read recently that somebody who was slaughtering dogs in the south of Poland to make fat for health products was not going to be prosecuted as he had not broken any laws , so maybe a way to go yet on animals rights here....

I know that out in the countryside where i live , animals are considered in the same way as a tractor , you take care of it because its needed to do a job on the farm , cats are not pets so much , as something to keep down the mice and rats , they have to earn their living.....

I currently have ten cats on my farm , they do a great job of keeping the mice and rats away , but they are also much loved pets , and i have a dog also which i rescued after somebody dumped it out of a car near my farm....It was covered in fleas , and had a wound , probably caused by barbed wire on his back...I suspect he had been dumped because people around here don,t really have money for vets bills...He is now fit and healthy....

When i first bought this farm there were two small yappy dogs here , which i later found out were going to be included with the farm.... I told my Polish girlfriend i didn,t really want the dogs , i prefered to get my own , but she told me that if i did not accept them the farmer would probably shoot them , so i took them , and later found a good home for them......

Poland does have laws to protect animals , and there is no doubt that many Poles love their animals dearly , there seem to be plenty of vets around , so this suggests people care enough to look after their pets , but i am certain the pets don,t have as many laws to protect them as in UK.... Saying that , Yorkshire in the UK , where i come from has a terrible record on animal abuse...perhaps the Poles don,t need so many laws because they treat their animals better......????
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
28 Oct 2009 #6
mvefa

It certainly seems that way - by the way: I'm going to NL in December, there might be a slight chance that I will meet with Arien, and we kinda agreed that you should be there too, son. I will PM you on that some time soon.

wildrover

I'm just wondering: isn't there any EU-regulation concerning this topic? I mean, you can tell what a person is the way he treats his animal friends. Maybe there could be a way to kinda "enforce" them in every memberstate? Although I'm not a fan of enforcing laws and stuff, it's like a former Dutch minister of Traffic once said as to why he proposed to confiscate the cars of speed offenders: "you ask them many times to stop speeding, they don't listen. You put laws into place, they don't listen. You put speedbumps on the roads, they don't listen. And in the end it seems that ppl just don't want to have it otherwise."

I agree with you, wildrover: there is a lot of work to be done in PL before we get to where the UK and NL are at the moment concerning animal rights. I do sincerely hope they will use their common sense and install those laws rather sooner than later.

Nice story, wildrover!

Ironic fact is in this respect: Nazi Germany was the first country in the world that actually implemented laws to protect animals. It was in fact one of the first things Hitler did. Hitler liked animals better than ppl. How ironic indeed.

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M-G (don't ever use this as an excuse to abuse animals!)
time means 5 | 1,310
28 Oct 2009 #7
Dog lard! Ffs who eats this? krakowpost.com/article/1650
frd 7 | 1,399
28 Oct 2009 #8
oh.. this stuff appears in the news from time to time, somebody eats it, they are not labeling it as "dog lard"... they are probably selling it as proper lard at a markeplace...
jonni 16 | 2,485
28 Oct 2009 #9
hey are not labeling it as "dog lard"... they are probably selling it as proper lard at a markeplace...

There have been a couple of cases of thet, but generally, in villages, Dog Lard is much more expensive, up to 100zł a jar.

Apparently it's prized as a folk remedy for all sorts of ailments.

I rather hope it's intended for external use only!
frd 7 | 1,399
28 Oct 2009 #10
I know about a case in Opole which by all means isn't a "village"... from what I remember they were selling the lard they got from dogs they killed at a dog pound on a stall at a marketplace..
wildrover 98 | 4,451
28 Oct 2009 #11
Dog lard! Ffs who eats this?

I would not eat lard made from anything...yuk...! What i don,t understand from the story about the guy stealing dogs and making lard from them is the stealing part.....!

Maybe its not illegal in Poland to kill dogs humanely for food...but i would have thought stealing was illegal in Poland.....

If the twot had stolen my dog and made lard from it he would have to run a long long way to be sure of reaching old age.....
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
28 Oct 2009 #12
wildrover

It maybe not illegal according to law, but morally it's highly disgusting.

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M-G (tiens)
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
28 Oct 2009 #13
I haven't heard of a RSPCA in Poland, but big cities do oeprate a Straż dla Zwierząt (Animal Guard) -- check on Google.
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
28 Oct 2009 #14
I just had a quick view on their website strazdlazwierzat.com.pl but it's in Polish of course (the English version is under construction) but am I correct when I say that they mainly protect dogs? Or do they do other animals like cats or whatever, too?

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M-G (safety for animals is important)
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387
28 Oct 2009 #15
Back to horses

about ten years ago it became clear to outside nations how Polish slaughter houses and some traders treated horses. about the same time advertising posters appeared here. they said 'made in poland' and featured a horse in distress. the horse meat/slaughter industry was made to clean up its act.

i think the horse meat trade was connected to italy.
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
28 Oct 2009 #16
vkmag.com/videos/videos_poolse_jongen_schiet_kat_af/

From a Dutch website.
This is a gross translation of the text below it.

Polish kid uses some sort of air gun to launch a cat and then shoot it in the air, while firing a gun at it. Another kid filmed it and informed the police. Also, he delivered the tape to a Polish news-station. I hope they put him in jail. If you look well, the cat is still alive.

If you want a literary translation, let me know.

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M-G (jail for torturers of our feline friends!)
wildrover 98 | 4,451
28 Oct 2009 #17
featured a horse in distress.

From what i heard it was the terrible way they transported the horses....for various reasons they didn,t want to kill them before transporting them , and it was during transit that they suffered....A horsey friend of mine in the UK was part of the organisation that held demos and protests against Polish treatment of horses , and i believe that now the situation is much improved....
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
28 Oct 2009 #18
Wroclaw

Actually that situation was pretty well known in NL too. It caused quite an outrage as the Dutch, just like the British are vivid animal lovers. I think the Dutch RSPCA has also filed a complaint back then, but I am not quite sure about this. I seem to remember they did, though.

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M-G (if you don't respect your four-legged friends, how in the world can you respect yourself?)
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
28 Oct 2009 #19
Is it ok for vegetarians to eat animal cookies?
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
29 Oct 2009 #20
ZIMMY

Don't think so if the cookies were made of animal meat - but I'm not a vegetarian, ask one! But as far as I know only vegans reject everything that has an animal source, like leather shoes, belts, etc.

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M-G (not a vegetarian)
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387
29 Oct 2009 #21
horses........ this is old... but it explains what the problem was.

gopetition.co.uk/petitions/stop-cruel-horse-slaughter.html

wildrover is right... about the transport of horses... back then.
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
29 Oct 2009 #22
Wroclaw

And this has improved due to public opinion? Good! I read the story and I did remember something about it, but it still gives me a chill how ppl think they can treat animals. I hope the responsible got punished?

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M-G (animals should be able to take revenge)
wildrover 98 | 4,451
29 Oct 2009 #23
this is old... but it explains what the problem was.

I notice that one of the companies is the UK Smithfields company.....this is the same company that has bought up several small pig farms near Polczyn zdroj in Poland and is currently dumping tons of untreated pig waste into local lakes which is destrying them....this is not far from me... Great idea eh....dump all your crap in some other country.....The local Poles it seems are turning a blind eye to all the **** due to the money they are getting off this British company....but what price is a lovely landscape covered in crap....?
mvefa 5 | 591
29 Oct 2009 #24
And this has improved due to public opinion? Good! I read the story and I did remember something about it, but it still gives me a chill how ppl think they can treat animals. I hope the responsible got punished?

You should see how animals are treated in Spain, that is really bad!
southern 75 | 7,096
29 Oct 2009 #25
Animal Rights Movements in Poland

Last time in Poland I saw some dogs demonstarting and asking for a parade.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
29 Oct 2009 #26
Earlier today an animal rights activist announced "quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack!".
wildrover 98 | 4,451
30 Oct 2009 #27
quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack,

OIL BE AVING A PINT O WHUT YER MAN IS DRINKING.....please barman...!
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
30 Oct 2009 #28
southern

I have a hungry grizzly bear here that would like to talk to you about bear's rights.

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M-G (animal rights)
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
30 Oct 2009 #29
Wherez the donkey in here?...he was supposed to comment!
OP MareGaea 29 | 2,752
30 Oct 2009 #30
So, we've concluded that there are not really established animal rights movements in PL. Just scattered groups across the country. Are there any more initiatives? I don't know for sure, but there is EU regulation concerning this, will PL adhere to this and form a Polish variant of the RSPCA? What is the attitude in PL towards organisations like this?

>^..^<

M-G (the donkey is sleeping, currently - well I guess you have to wake him up now, won't you?)


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