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Why do people think that Poles are culturally isolated?


Wulkan - | 3,251
21 Dec 2012 #31
For example here:/poland-success-attrac ting-new-immigrants-says-bbcs-crossing-63737/

bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01pcs5q

"Poland has long been the poor cousin of Europe" wtf does "cousin of Europe" mean?!

this radio programme is shockingly ignorant...
TheOther 5 | 3,831
21 Dec 2012 #32
Polish people are very rebelious, if you try to enforce something on them, they will do the contrary, just because they don't like to be manipulated.

Some would call that stubborn, not rebellious... :)
ifor bach 11 | 152
21 Dec 2012 #33
ifor bach:
Probably, it will depend as much on them as on the character of the host nation.

"Character of the host nation"? What's that and how does it relate to this advice:

ifor bach:
Start thinking of people as individuals, and not as members of national groups.

The two statements don't contradict each other.
Ant63 11 | 403
21 Dec 2012 #34
it's really difficult to focus for so long

My partner had the same problem. After two years she can watch a full movie with very few questions. Her daughter was fluent and almost indistinguishable from an English child in six months. She is amazing! She is certainly more inquisitive than her older brother which I think helps. Mum sometimes has to ask the little one to translate sometimes.

I have employed quite a few Polish people over the years and I agree that women learn English far quicker. Polish women certainly don't display the same characteristics as their male counterparts which possibly lowers their potential for learning the language. Aloofness is probably a good description of the characteristic.
Wulkan - | 3,251
21 Dec 2012 #35
Polish women certainly don't display the same characteristics as their male counterparts which possibly lowers their potential for learning the language. Aloofness is probably a good description of the characteristic.

That's a good joke, I have mainly the opposite experiences ;-) Without any doubt the vast majority of Polish couples I have met in the UK were with the man as a leader who spoke better English. Probably one of the reasones why I didn't end up with Polish woman, they kept crying about coming back to Poland.
Ironside 48 | 9,824
21 Dec 2012 #36
So why the hell foreigners look on Poles as if they were a back water who have no idea about the world?

Some foreigners and the answer is simple there are people are there are dicks!
I on the other hand think that Poles are wasting too much time and attention on what foreigners think about Poland, Poles and Polish this or that. Come on!?.
ifor bach 11 | 152
21 Dec 2012 #37
I on the other hand think that Poles are wasting too much time and attention on what foreigners think about Poland, Poles and Polish this or that. Come on!?.

Exactly. What would the reaction in the U.K. be to any Polish programme perceived as being critical towards the U.K.?

No-one would either know or care.
OP zetigrek
21 Dec 2012 #38
No one would care because Uk has well established stature while Poland is still... well have heard the boadcast? Friends of those bankers (or whoever that couple was) were "TERRIFIED" about the idea of them coming to Poland. Too bad they didn't precised what exactly they were terrified of in Poland, that could be very interesting to hear.
ifor bach 11 | 152
21 Dec 2012 #39
I've read a lot on Polish forums about the west, France in particular, being a 'multicultural hell'. Does anyone in France care about the unintelligent opinions of some ignorant Poles?
poland_
22 Dec 2012 #40
I must admit that lots of Polish people act very superior to the "natives" once they go abroad.

Lots of Polish people act superior to poles in their home country. Most city folk in Poland believe they are well and truly above the country folk.

That's why I find statements such as: Poland is like Britain in 80s in regards of something, ridiculous... seems like people in Britain live short

Z - it is fact there are areas of Polish society and structure which are very similar to the UK in the 80's. One thing is the current Polish yuppies and dinks living off massive credit lines in order to be seen as wealthy, they did not learn this way of life from their parents.If you speak to many British they will openy admit that the UK is 15-20 years behind the USA in many social areas.
Meathead 5 | 470
22 Dec 2012 #41
Most people who write racist and xenophobic posts are American born or raised there. How come, despite such a multi-cultural environment they grew up to be racists?

He is expressing the views of devout Roman Catholics in the States. Roman Catholics do not believe in freedom of thought, so if one thinks differently they become angry.

Even though I'm Polish myself I tended to think the same at the beginning of my usage of this forum, but this site convinced me that Poles are not worse in those terms than so called "Western Europeans"... barring the fact that Western Europeans likes to think of themselves as being tolerant and culturally superior (as if there was no clash between those two terms, btw).

Poles are culturally "Western"

Yes, I'm defensive, this forum made me like that.

The forum made you do it? Poles are defensive by nature.
hudsonhicks 21 | 346
22 Dec 2012 #42
Poles in the UK & Ireland behave very much like the Indians/Pakistanis and other Turd-Worlders as opposed to other Europeans

Building lots Polski Sklep in every town.

Sticking to their own, rather than endeavor to make British friends.

Aversion to learning our language

Superiority complexes - British doctors and NHS are crap. English people are "lazy", our food tastes like soap etc.

Abrupt in their mannerisms, impolite, faces like bulldogs chewing wasps.

Racist and Tribal - Polska Number 1 as always, but they're only too happy to embrace their European identity because they're scrounging of another European country (UK). They use this as leverage to moan and complain about "Negroes" and other nationalities in the UK.

I've met loads of Germans and French in the UK with fantastic English kills, and general upbeat nice personalities, not much different to British people.

The Poles are very very foreign.
berni23 7 | 379
22 Dec 2012 #43
English people are "lazy", our food tastes like soap etc.

Nice of you to finally acknowledge that. You forgot about the hicks though.
hudsonhicks 21 | 346
22 Dec 2012 #44
I need to get myself down the Sklep and get some tinned fish paste or some of that fine pickled cabbage they stock.

Exotic Polish cuisine
hudsonhicks 21 | 346
22 Dec 2012 #46
Being a Brit, I'll eat anything that tastes nice regardless what country is comes from.
I'm not a fiercely nationalistic Pole that must eat Polski products and feels the need to build Skleps everywhere in a foreign country.
berni23 7 | 379
22 Dec 2012 #47
What is it with you and the polski skleps?
Food poisoning from your Polish ex? :D
OP zetigrek
22 Dec 2012 #48
The forum made you do it? Poles are defensive by nature.

I can tell, any negative statement about the USA can triggle off a launch of vicious attack against the critic, so please don't say such silly things that that's only Poles who are defensive. Also British don't like to be criticised as I already witnessed it on this forum. People in general are defensive by nature :)

He is expressing the views of devout Roman Catholics in the States. Roman Catholics do not believe in freedom of thought, so if one thinks differently they become angry.

I mean other users.

faces like bulldogs chewing wasps.

Bulldog? I know only one person who resembled bulldog and he was Brittish but he died 48 years ago ;)

Being a Brit, I'll eat anything that tastes nice regardless what country is comes from.

Please ask about the accountant service when you got there.
Wulkan - | 3,251
22 Dec 2012 #49
I've read a lot on Polish forums about the west, France in particular, being a 'multicultural hell'

those things were written mostly by native french people so go and figure...

I've met loads of Germans and French in the UK with fantastic English kills

so how many exactly English did they kill and why are you so glad about it?
OP zetigrek
22 Dec 2012 #51
those things were written mostly by native french people so go and figure...

As I wrote at the beginning: ascribing negative traits to Polish people. I clearly remember the thread "Don't let Poland become like my country" and the OP said he's French.

I also happens in threads about Polish women supposedly being pretty. Foreigners start them yet Poles get all the bashes for "bragging"

i need to stop using my phone

you need to stop using this forum... but then who will entertain us?!
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
22 Dec 2012 #52
So why the hell foreigners look on Poles as if they were a back water who have no idea about the world?

In some cases It's ignorance, in other xenophobia... It's not that "westerners" are more tolerant or something, they are just more careful with words, racism and xenophobia PC style.

Lets take this forum for example.
There are members that openly post their racist and xenophobic propaganda.

Just like there are members, who openly post Polonophobic (which wouldn't be tolerated on any other Polish forum) or far left nonsense. It's been done to death over the years. The forum is registered in America, people behind it believe in freedom of speech uber alles, that's why people from far left to far right (which both are much closer to each other than most people think) are allowed to post here, unless they openly attack other forum members etc.


Yawn, It must be shyt to be you.
Ant63 11 | 403
22 Dec 2012 #53
unless they openly attack other forum members

Something you are guilty of regularly

Just like there are members, who openly post Polonophobic (which wouldn't be tolerated on any other Polish forum)

I don't often see Polonophobic posts on here except HH's. I see criticism which is sometimes invalid, sometimes valid, and I post valid criticisms occasionally. You may not agree with my criticisms but that is your choice and you are free to comment accordingly. Sometimes there are some antisemitic posts which I find distasteful. What I do see is several members on here that will turn any negative comment into Polonophobia including yourself. Why don't you ask the question as to why people think differently to you sometimes?

So why the hell foreigners look on Poles as if they were a back water who have no idea about the world?

I'll give you my opinion based on my experience. First off people in the UK know little if anything about Poland. Simply it was shut for years and for the majority here thought it was part of the Soviet Union. The enemy. There was little or no news out of Poland until Gdansk. I remember people here wearing Solidarinosc Tshirts. I remember seeing the queue's outside empty shops on the TV. Thats the sort of visual that stays with you. Years later there was big news here on the state of care of the physically and mentally disabled in Romania and Czechoslovakia. Not at all connected in reality with Poland but probably connected subconsciously as Eastern Block countries. Lots of TV coverage at the time with lots of horse and carts. So we have a connection with Poland and horse and carts. Incorrect but still a perception in peoples minds. Move on a few years and we have the Polish invasion. Again you have a perception that Poland is a very poor country because otherwise they wouldn't come in droves. Sadly the vast majority of invaders are not at all interested in integration and formed their own communities. There are a few but they are definitely in the minority. They tend to be those whom are better educated. Those I socialize with, when returning to Poland for a holiday, often say they are going back to the shyte that is Poland. These are the uneducated ones. When you hear this from Poles what are you supposed to think? It doesn't help does it! I could keep going but I won't its boring.

So whats going wrong? Poland/Poles are not doing a very good job of getting across the positives of Poland. The narcissistic views often expressed on this and other forums don't help. Ridiculous judgments from the old guard, one recently saying the production of kosher meat is unconstitutional in knee jerk reaction to EU Laws coming into force doesn't help either. You cannot blame the people for thinking as they do when the majority of what they hear and see are negatives. They did a good job with the football though! The stupid tv advert saying "Come to Poland and meet the Poles" was a wasted opportunity when most people only had to step out of the front door in the UK to do the same thing.

Yawn, It must be shyt to be you.

There you go again. Perhaps you might want to expand and explain what your problem is. If your embarrassed to do it publicly, you can always PM me.
David_18 68 | 982
22 Dec 2012 #54
@Hudsonhicks & Berni23

You two would make an excellent couple!

Both of you are the laughing-stock of this forum ;)

It is often said that Poland is a country where there is anti-semitism and no Jews, which is pathology in its purest state.
Bronislaw Geremek
berni23 7 | 379
22 Dec 2012 #55
You two would make an excellent couple!

Thank you for your wisdom, now troll back to the hole you crawled out of.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
22 Dec 2012 #56
I don't often see Polonophobic posts on here

I'm not surprised that you don't see it.

I post valid criticisms occasionally.

Once you grow up, you might understand that your perception of mine=valid, yours=invalid is not always right.

Lots of TV coverage at the time with lots of horse and carts. So we have a connection with Poland and horse and carts.

Well, many around the world might associate Africa with starving people, HIV and Rwanda style genocides but somehow that doesn't make serious people rationalize racism aginst blacks the way you are trying to rationalize Polonophobia.

you can always PM me.

You wish.
David_18 68 | 982
22 Dec 2012 #57
Thank you for your wisdom, now troll back to the hole you crawled out of.

Don't you find it ironical when a German like yourself is talking about racism? Rofl

That's what i would call trolling ;)
berni23 7 | 379
22 Dec 2012 #58
Read a few posts and come back when you get the hang of things.
polski_gweilo - | 2
22 Dec 2012 #59
Don't you find it ironical when a German like yourself is talking about racism? Rofl

That's what i would call trolling ;)

Especially one who writes things like this. He's probably a "German" Turk anyway.

You are Polish white trash

berni23 7 | 379
22 Dec 2012 #60
Beautifully ripped out of context.
I wonder how long it took you to find this.
Get a life.


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