Polish people and racism.

Oh B.S.
Do you not admit the Times is run by Liberal Jews ?
Any Polish person in America will tell you that.
If the shoe fits it is not "labeling", it is a fact.


She is slipping fast and today there is only a 3 point difference but that is really off - topic..

What have the American papers got to do with polish people and racism

Nothing. Merely, that Johnny Boy labels the NYT a Jewish paper, if for no other reason than because it was founded by a Jew, Adolph Ochs and later managed by one "Punch" Sulzberger, also of the Tribe.

Why this is anti-Jewish, is because one doesn't usually go around saying "So-and-so, the well-known black newspaper, or calling the Wilmington Star, the" famous Prostestant" journal etc..

Uhuh, no soap, Johnny! You're a bigot and you know it, so might as well fess up to it!

Please get this thread back on track; Polish people and racism.

Oh look, it's an American chastising Polish people for not conforming to his American values. If Poland isn't like America enough for you they don't stay here Lyzko. Overall Polish public opinion makes Donald Trump look like Mister Rogers. I'm amazed at how people who grew up abroad (regardless of how much Polish ancestry they have) come here and then complain that Poland isn't enough like the country they grew up in. It's like, you could have gone to Germany, Britain, France, Belgium, Sweden and many others where they share your values, but no, you had to come to one of the less open countries and complain that it's not open enough. It's like giving a French restaurant a bad review on Yelp because the off-menu hamburger you ordered there wasn't great.

I've seen first hand the effects of tolerance and diversity, in French cities, in Berlin, in London, I know about the vibrant effects of diversity in cities like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Los Angeles, and so do Polish people. And you blame them for not wanting any of that? Bringing "diversity" in white countries is a net negative 100% of the time, it brings all sorts of ills. You cannot find a single example of a white country in which bringing a significant amount of non-white people didn't prove to be detrimental in itself. And we're supposed to apologise for being racist?

You're either "tolerant" and you accept your country being slowly turned into a third world country (you can see it very clearly at the city district level in Western Europe and Sweden) and watch crime, unemployment and tensions between incompatible communities skyrocket or you're a "vile racist" and a "bigot" and you spare yourself and your people that kind of "decline", to put it mildly. There is no compromise possible, unless you somehow combine being tolerant with totally closing your borders, anything that was ever done to try making accepting hundreds of thousands of third world foreigners into European countries work smoothly for everyone failed, even countries that roll out the red carpet like there's tomorrow like Sweden still end up with festering ghettos like Malmö. Do you know why there is no area in Poland in which emergency services stopped responding because people would routinely call them to ambush them and throw heavy objects at them from the top of a building? Because Poland isn't as welcoming as France. People like you have already ruined a lot of European cities with your blind idealism, blind because no matter how much evidence the real world throws at your face that your idealism is very misguided you reject it and think "we must try harder". I've found that people like you are typically unable to understand that nice intentions don't always translate into nice outcomes. People like you typically don't even care about outcomes anyway, if a country tolerates white foreigners but not African foreigners they would never think "mmmh maybe because white foreigners tend to bring wealth and skills instead of crime, chaos and backwardness" (and don't tell me FGM and sharia law aren't backwardness), they go straight for "mmh, that's clearly racism!".

Oh and as for the whole thing about Jews, yes, Jews are exceedingly well represented in American news organisations, NYT included, and yes most of them do push for the whole open borders/mass immigration into white countries, and they admit to it themselves, but somehow anyone else pointing it out is antisemitic?

What you call "Racism" in Poland is actually a positive thing, it's what saves Poland from turning to crap as fast as its western and northern neighbours. And not turning to crap in the same way as those countries is something most Polish people cannot even fully appreciate, it's like they take staying Polish, not reflexively locking your car doors around low-cost apartment towers, not learning to say "ramadan mubarak" and not pondering if you should cover your head when you go out in the streets so Muslims stop calling you 'ya sharmoota' for granted. I cannot fathom why someone who doesn't like it would want to move here.

Oh turns out Lyzko claims to be Jewish-American, and here he is on this very forum pushing for open borders/mass immigration into this white country, while calling us bigots for pointing that Jewish American reporters are pushing for the very same thing. What a uniquely curious coincidence...

I'm Jewish and PROUD....but not of what many of us have become!! We've turned from "People of the Book" to "People of the Bookie" and Judaism has long since been hijacked by those who mistakenly prize skullduggery (Madoff & Company....) over scholarship (the ancient rabbis, the Enlightenment Jews of Europe etc...).

You're free to disagree, after all, in no religion is being wrong a sin......only a shortcoming which can easily be overcome through spiritual education.

And I'm NOT being holier than though, rather simply realistic:-)

Incidentally, I'm not "pushing for open borders", but I'm not pushing for Trump's philosophy either. The "crap" you speak of which many countries have to endure, is called "facts of life", my friend!! The Nazis too wanted a perfect life, with no outsiders, no problems and everything hunkey-dory. Well, that's not the kind of life, I consider decent.

In looking at the problems allegedly brought by Jews, "foreigners" etc., look instead into yourselves.

Amen Bertie as I have repeatedly posted, "Keep Poland Polish".
When Lyzko calls me a bigot it makes me proud, by his definition, to be one.
Poland is a very proud people with much pride and when people call them racist or bigots for keeping their culture from turning into crap then God bless Poland.

Just look at what importing Asians and Hispanics immigrants has done to White America.......we are becoming shorter and browner.

Only in a handful of countries that choose to go that way. 4/5 of world's nationstates are not promoting diversity and two of top three world's economies (Japan and China) are actively combating it.

Ahemm, "diversity" has always been a double-edged sword, folks! A necessary evil to be sure, the message remains that so long as diverse elements are welded into a cohesive national whole, then, there should be no problem!

The problem arises when those diverse elements are allowed to remain in their own little enclaves, and REFUSE to integrate into the host culture:-)

Are you referring to the Blacks, Muslims and Latino's in America ?
Poland sees this and wants no part of this failed "diversity".
Can you blame them ?

Maybe I can't blame them necessarily, but if integration is handled as it should be (but usually isn't!), there would only be a need for migrants to be brought into a country where there may be a work "deficit" in certain key shortage areas aka construction, engineering, forestry.agriculture and or similar fields.

The migrants would be brought in as a desired labor force with the clear understanding from the outset that after said tasks have been completed, the foreign-born laborers would willingly return to their own countries.

The reason this almost never happens is because the countries from which said migrants hail are usually so economically depressed and in need of fortifying that the migrants have no desire whatsoever to return, attracted instead by the blandishments of the host country which invited them in in the first place. One really can't blame them either, can one?

-:)

I don't think I'm too far off the mark here!

Is Poland or the United States experiencing a "work deficit" with half of their populations on some kind of government handouts ?

> Mixed race American football player [adopted and raised by White family] whom a few years ago signed a $100+ Million Dollar contract (currently backup on his own team). Would not stand for the playing of the American national anthem before his recent game

> "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

This is the problem with diversity. Long thought short: eventually there will be Poles with mixed heritage. Are we to expect them to emphasize or even comprehend the sacrifices (good, bad & ugly) of our ancestors. Or extreme example: will our ancestors pass transgressions even be used against us to fuel guilt [Germany, USA, Britian etc]

The US, perhaps even post-Communist aka "capitalist" Poland as well, is currently in love with cheap labor. What better way, in the US anyway, for a typical, dollar-sign-oriented business owner of the Reagan Era to maximize their profits than by hiring a Mexican for slave wages (as he thinks they're not expecting much anyhow) over a possibly more talented aka more EXPENSIVE, native-born Caucausian American citizen?

If there's a loophole to be had, trust the pure-bred, anti-New Deal capitalist to find it...at the expense of other values such as diligence and quality:-)

America still "greatest nation on earth"??!

FDR'd be turning over in his grave!

Only a racist would compare cheap labor with racism ?
Prior to "capitalism" the way people amassed great wealth was by looting, plundering and enslaving their fellow man.
Capitalism made it possible to become wealthy by serving your fellow man.


We know that you as a racist liberal are a Latinophobe already Lyzko.
Ever hear liberals say that they are moving to Canada if Trump gets elected like you did.
Why don't you move to Mexico ? :-)

This thread is about Polish people and racism, stay on topic.

Don't follow your (il-)logic!

I'm using Mexicans as an example. Furthermore, a "Latinophobe" dislikes Latinos, Chicanos and other Hispanics. I dislike none of the former; in their countries, they're fine and should remain. However, when they are either shipped over in boatloads to the States (or come by their own accord), then are often hired as less-expensive workforce over a native-born white American, this is where I have a legitimate beef.

No, I certainly feel that anyone who suborns racism such as Donald Trump or any counterpart anywhere in the world should be shouted down.

We must though remember that resentment of foreigners per se didn't spring up ex nihilo. Regrettably, the roots of racism are grounded in the sereptiousness of certain governments to profit off the sweat of poorer-born foreigners at the expense of homegrown workers.

THIS is what some of us find shameful.

It's all fine and dandy to espouse feel-good liberal philosophy. The real world though is a different story:-)

"Polish people and racism"
Looks like its open season on poles at the moment, the British police have bailed the alleged perpetrators, obviously they don't see this as a serious crime.

I will refrain from speaking Polish on my next visit to Britain.

Pictured: Family man, 40, 'beaten to death by a gang of teens for being POLISH' as police arrest six for the 'hate crime'

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3764708/Police-arrest-four-15-year-old-boys-hate-crime-killing-gang-beat-Polish-man-40-death.html#ixzz4ItPVqVkH

I was reading about this yesterday Dolno and it's really awful. I think you are wrong though in that the police aren't taking it seriously. It is now a murder investigation, so they have to. I have read a few different reports on it, and as far as I can tell, the youths who were arrested haven't actually been charged with murder as yet. The police are still making enquiries as there was a large group involved. As far as I know, if they haven't actually been charged, then the police have no alternative but to bail them.

I could be wrong, but all the newspapers are making references to their arrest, but none of them have actually said that any charges have been brought against them.

Hopefully, they will face charges, because apparently this group were known to the police.
Very very sad indeed.

I get your point Chemikiem , but where has this hatred of Poles and this pack animal mentality come from ("up to 20 thugs"), the parents?

Why are these aggressive feral kids allowed to roam shopping centers on mass without any Police intervention.

you are wrong..from what i heard,those murderers were advised by the police to speak to their parents..ouch

I don't think Brexit has helped to be honest, but maybe that decision has just brought to the forefront what has been simmering in some people for a long time. Dolno, the majority of English people will be as horrified as we are about this, most people do not bear grudges against Poles, or any other race, but sadly there will always be those ignorant people with the knucklehead mentality, and that's not limited to the UK either.

From what I have read, that group of people had attacked others previously, including English people, and had been reported to the police on many occasions. Guessing the police didn't take it seriously enough or due to cuts etc, not enough police to investigate incidents maybe.

As for the parents, who knows? Maybe they were totally unaware of what their children were doing or where they were going, or in some cases, maybe these children haven't come from the best homes. Some of those people were just observers apparently, and not actually involved in what happened, according to the police:-

DI Pitcher said: "We understand not all these people were involved and we believe there will be witnesses who were deeply shocked by what took place.

I am not trying to make light of this in any way, but I would rather believe what the police say, than the the sometimes sensationalist headlines of there being 20 thugs. Anyway the truth will come out in due course, and we will find out how many will be charged.


I'm guessing with resources within the police force being cut, there simple aren't enough coppers to go round, and when it comes to prioritizing incidents, they give the more serious ones a higher precedence. Government cuts and all that.

Chemikiem

It is strange that many people on this forum advocate racism towards other races whilst bemoaning the fact that they experience it themselves in the countries they choose to move to. You seem to want the freedom to racially abuse ethnic minorities and are then surprised when people are then intolerant towards you. Rather like the Polish determination not to accept a single refugee whilst themselves becoming the single largest migrant group in other countries - e.g the UK.

Poland accepted some 80,000 Chechen refugees fleeing Russian atrocities in their homeland. Over a million Ukrainians have fled to Poland in search of a better life or fleeing Russian aggression which claims Ukrainian lives every single day. All the the Merkels, Schultzes and others banging on about forcing other countries to accept the refugee invasion they were resposnible for launching should bear that in mind. Poland has done her part.

@Volpone
You're confused, speaking against insane immigration policy that brakes all existing laws is not racism, it simply shows the degree the average so called European is brainwashed to and how much he knows about the affairs of the continent he lives on. Is your insane humanitarian burden too much to bear? News flash, you can put an end to it any time you choose to. Of course, in your mind Europe is a paradise, the need to help fellow Europeans none existent. Perhaps dismissing the figures that Polonius3 stated here is racism in itself, a state sponsored one at that. Your government failed to inform you that what ails the rest of the world also afflicts Europe on the daily basis and none of the western governments seem to have the political will to do anything about it, let alone helping those Europeans who are wreaked by war and in need indeed. Point being that choosing who you choose to help is simply a choice not racism, knowing your own limitations helps, otherwise you put yourself in a position where you can't help anyone.

Poland, Germany, Sweden, for instance, as we've already said, have only comparatively recently become a "melting-pot" society, in stark contrast with the US, even England or France, who for centuries became used to other-colored outsiders due to their colonies. To a degree, the Dutch as well, what with Surinam etc. However, Scandinavia has no such historical precedent, hence, Sweden especially, feels her tried-and-true Lutheran homogeneity seriously at risk with the arrival of non-white, non-Christian foreigners.

Tolerance seems a virtue rarely practiced, even more rarely taught, either in school or at home. The Church has always had a problematic relationship with this concept of unconditional acceptance, as far too many Christians are little other than mere Sunday hypocrites:-)

You clearly never been to Poland if you think it's a melting-pot

I have, and that's exactly why I said, it is NOT a melting pot like the US!

You misunderstood what I was trying to say:-)

@Lyzko
Why do you single out the Christians and a Church? Is unconditional acceptance and tolerance practiced in Judaism or Synagogue? Funny I don't see this universal acceptance in Israel for example

Because Jews are out of bounds for any criticism or negative remarks. If you do, they'll daub you with the anti-Semitic brush.

Jews are certainly not "out of bounds", Polonius!

That's precisely the point; Jews are no more saints than I'm Mary Queen of ScotsLOL

Keep on the subject please