some jobs actually do show an improvement on a community when specific genders or ethnicities are in them
Could you elaborate? I'll await your position on diversity.
I'm not defending the extent to which things have gone
Of course you are. I once met a woman who told me that she was not a hooker but if I could give her a lift to Reno, Nevada then she would be "very very thankful" (I was at Lake Tahoe at the time, about 50 miles from Reno). You are like that woman pretending not to be what you are.
I'm talking about grown up enough men, capable of determining the kind of work they like and don't like and YES some of them prefer that kind of work to other jobs.
You're in fairy tale land again. No father or mother wants their son to grow up digging coal.Scenario:
Mother: "Yes son, someday you will be like your father coming home with coal all over your face and body and coughing up blood.
Son: "Thanks mom, I'm looking forward to that."
Father: "And if you're lucky, you'll get Black Lung disease and suffer for years just like me."
Son: "Sounds good, can I be hunched over and in constant pain like you too?
Father" "That's my boy."
People who work in those jobs have to in order to support their families. They are both humble and a proud people at the same time.
Is your brain made of F-ING JELLO? Look at the thread title- the question is about GENDER ONLY.
The title of this thread is, "Is parity the answer for Polish women" and by extension the question expanded to include women in general. Since you are demanding a quota for women in the clean office managerial positions, it cannot escape notice that women are vastly under represented in the harsh dangerous professions as well.
Yes, this thread is about gender and real equality not the 'pick-and-choose' preferential type.
Indeed women are in average lousier than men in logical reasoning.
You are very astute as well as brave. Don't you know that feminist organizations would stone you for saying this? You seem to be a woman 'par excellence'.
They [women] have better verbal abilities in average than men.
That's one way of putting it. I just say that women talk more, much more lol.
When it comes to average female vs average male intelligence, although commons sense somehow suggests that men are in average higher scorers, studies about it a rare, political correctness seems stands in a way.
"Political correctness" is the western worlds social virus. The only cure for it is to use logic. Sadly, our professors, both male and female, are afflicted with this destructive virus which censors common sense and truth.
You are correct however, that the highest IQ's are male, but so are the lowest. Seems that men dominate the top levels as well as the lowest ones. When averaged out
the "British Journal of Psychology" says that men are on average five points ahead on IQ tests. Virtually all such studies have indicated this but once again, it isn't politically polite to publicly report these findings.
These is noting wrong with differences between the sexes, after all, without them there would be no human race (we're all one race irrespective of color, etc).
There are the obvious physical differences but also many subtle ones as well. Women know more about this than men because they read the many women's magazines which describe 'female problems'. For instance (and I've got dozens of examples), about 22% of menopausal women in the US are diagnosed with thyroid dysfunction. The majority of these women suffer from a sluggish thyroid (hypothyroidism) which leads to fatigue, weight gain, depression, high cholesterol and other symptoms. Some suffer from hyperthyroidism,which is an overactive thyroid. Men are much less affected except of course when watching sports on television and drinking excessive amounts of beer thus gaining weight during their 50's.
The point is; we should not be censored when it comes to facts.
personally I know more gifted men than women.
Male innovation and creativity seem to bear that out, certainly historically it does. Almost everything people use was invented by males. Women hurt themselves in this area by concentrating too much on (their) beauty. How many hours a week do women put in attempting to make themselves look pleasing? How many do men? All those extra hours make a big difference. Was that nature or nurture?
Insisting on artificial changes of by biology given limits of both genders is silly.
Absolutely correct, yet feminists and the "politically correct" still attempt to ignore the differences between men and women. They claim that men and women are the same and any differences are mere "social constructs". What bullcrap.
The most common subgroup, PMS Type A, consists of premenstrual anxiety, irritability and nervous tension, sometimes expressed in behavior patterns detrimental to self, family and society.
This has actually been used as a defense in some murder cases.
not once has someone given a comparative situation to an "industry" which is comparable to realm of what political representation is supposed to be at a municipal, state/provincial or federal level.
Your stuck in your small fish bowl. All industries are different yet have some degree of similarities with each other. You believe that representation by quota is different. I don't as I know that a rose this malodorous still smells fetid.
Women make up the majority of the voting public. They can vote anyone in that they want to vote in. They are not prohibited from running for office, indeed, I can make an argument that they receive favored treatment in this and many other areas.
Zimmy, rightfully, sees that if we follow the slippery slope of gender based representation then other "minority" groups would then demand mandatory political representation based on their numbers as well. I AGREED WITH HIM that because of this and other factors that it's not a good idea overall, at least not in the capacity of current western political systems. But if he's going to ask me why I am not arguing for that too then it's because IT WASN'T IN THE ORIGINAL QUESTION AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I AM OPPOSED TO THE IDEA!!!
I'm guessing that you don't see your own contradiction in the above statement. Additionally, you don't want affirmative action for "minority" groups but you want it for a majority one (women are 50.5% of the population).
Replacing one form of discrimination with another form of discrimination doesn't solve the problem. It only creates future problems as those who are now being discriminated against will end up demanding new laws that will grant them preferential treatment. A vicious cycle. Not to mention the hate and resentment the quota cronies generate. Discrimination is wrong, period, no exceptions,