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Is the palace in Warsaw going to be rebuilt?


Zzpla
18 Sep 2019  #1
I think if Hungarians can do it, Poles have the sources to do it too:
reddit.com/r/hungary/comments/d5oddv/hungarians_rebuilding_their_traditional/

BTW, much better than the modernist/ugly modern museums they have build in some places.
pawian 161 | 9,907
18 Sep 2019  #2
I think if Hungarians can do it, Poles have the sources to do it too:

There is sth wrong with logic in your post.

The title of your link is Hungarians rebuilding their traditional architecture which was torn down by the Communists.

What does it have in common with rebuilding the Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw?
OP Zzpla
18 Sep 2019  #3
I meant the old castle lol, it was a separate thread. Wrong choice of words on my part.
pawian 161 | 9,907
18 Sep 2019  #4
Oh, I see.
Yet, there is still sth strange in the air. Do you want to rebuild the Royal Castle in Warsaw?



kaprys 2 | 1,868
18 Sep 2019  #5
@pawian
And I guess Poles did pretty well taking into account what Germans did to it.
pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plik:Castle_Warsaw_1941.JPG

1941

Unless he meant the Saxon Palace.
pawian 161 | 9,907
18 Sep 2019  #6
Aargh, now I got the idea what he/she was talking about. :):):)

Hey, Zppla, you should add the proper names of places coz there are a few palaces or castles in Warsaw.
OP Zzpla
19 Sep 2019  #7
Ok sorry, yes the Saxon castle. Abominations like the "East gate" brutalist buildings must be replaced with sth that looks and feels more Polish.
antheads2
19 Sep 2019  #8
So what is in the Pałac Kulturalny? for those that have seen the classic serial ekstradycja , the building contains seven underground stories with a nuclear bomb shelter at the bottom. It seems to be filled with business offices , the strip club at on the ground level to mafia connections. Who is profiting from it? Are those businessed quatered there happy ?
kaprys 2 | 1,868
19 Sep 2019  #9
As for the Saxon Palace, I believe there have been some plans but we-re talking about an almost complete reconstruction. Right now only the part with the Unknown Soldier's Tomb still exist.

There's something really moving about it. The tomb in the only part of the dynamited palace that remained.
pawian 161 | 9,907
19 Sep 2019  #10
I am against rebuilding the Saxon Palace. Firstly, it wasn`t such a great piece of art. To me it looked boring and typical.
Secondly, the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is a sacred place. Nothing should be changed around it.
Thirdly, the vast square near the Tomb is a good place to hold ceremonies etc.

All in all, it is PiS` another crazy idea.



Ziemowit 12 | 3,588
19 Sep 2019  #11
The Pałac Saski nicely closes up the Piłsudski Square (formerly Saski Square) and would in no way would be obstructive to ceremonies.To the contrary, it would set nice background to those ceremonies.

Likewise, the Saxon Palace would have set a nice background to the Saski Garden on the opposite side.

Part of the project should have been the rebuilding of the Brühl Palace adjacent to the Saski Palace.
pawian 161 | 9,907
19 Sep 2019  #12
To the contrary, it would set nice background to those ceremonies.

Ok, ceremonies won`t suffer, then.

Although a " nice background" is a very disputable issue. :)

How about my second point: sacred place?







Ziemowit 12 | 3,588
19 Sep 2019  #13
The place will remain intact as it is indeed a surviving part of he Palace, so where's the problem?

Thanks for the aerial perspectives. They show what a nice frame the Palace would be for the Saski (Piłsudski) Square.
pawian 161 | 9,907
19 Sep 2019  #14
Not nice to me. But de gustibus non es disputandum . :):)

One last argument: I would be against spending so much money on a building whose only significant characteristic is it was huge. :)

I would be coz it is Warsawians to decide eventually. I think they should hold a referendum coz it is their money.
antheads2
21 Sep 2019  #15
I love that idea! It would be great to transform poland so the citizens have referendums on important issues like switzerland.
pawian 161 | 9,907
21 Sep 2019  #16
In case of the Palace, I meant residents of Warsaw, not all citizens of Poland.
NoToForeigners 6 | 1,004
21 Sep 2019  #17
Im from Zielona Góra and i don't want to pay for that. If Warszawa want's to rebuil that they should teke money from their local samorząd.
cms neuf - | 949
21 Sep 2019  #18
To be fair Warsaw taxpayers do plenty for the rest of the country, and will be doing even more after these elections.

But I am against this project - in its current form its an elegant reminder of Polish sacrifice and I like watching the ceremonies there if I am walking by.
Ironside 48 | 9,788
21 Sep 2019  #19
an elegant reminder of Polish sacrifice

Phew, most people have no clue what it is. Reminder my foot.

Im from Zielona Góra and i don't want to pay for that.

Has someone ask you to do it? In your region you have more mafia and criminals per head than anywhere else maybe that should be your focus?
NoToForeigners 6 | 1,004
21 Sep 2019  #20
Has someone ask you to do it?

Lol. If they will want to cover that with taxpayers money... yes They did ask me!
Besides... "Czym dalej na wschód tym większy smród"
Ironside 48 | 9,788
21 Sep 2019  #21
lol, do you think that has anything to do with you? It might ( I disagree) have been some kind of a local truism for Wielkopolska or Slask long time ago before Soviets'. However it doesn't have anything to do with you or your region, it is funny how you just jumped on a bandwagon basing it only on a geographical location.

Doesn't pertain in the slightest to so called recovered territories. If anything more criminals, bums in your area than anywhere else in Poland.
So some dumb slogans won't change reality.
pawian 161 | 9,907
21 Sep 2019  #22
In your region you have more mafia and criminals per head than anywhere else maybe that should be your focus?

Interesting. Where did you get it from? Polish Emigre Bulletin? :):)
NoToForeigners 6 | 1,004
21 Sep 2019  #23
@pawian
Ironside anything Poland has to google up.
Such "Polish" he is lol
jon357 63 | 14,134
26 Sep 2019  #24
the "East gate" brutalist buildings

They're good architecture.

Secondly, the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is a sacred place. Nothing should be changed around it.

Quite. It works well as it is now.
pawian 161 | 9,907
26 Sep 2019  #25
Yes, now the place is called The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

The place will remain intact as it is indeed a surviving part of he Palace, so where's the problem?

The problem is that in the future the place will be called The Saxon Palace with the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Do you see the difference?

If I was a Warsavian, I would protest.
Cargo pants 1 | 153
26 Sep 2019  #26
Years,maybe 5/8/10 I did see the grounds around it was dug and had rooms,kinda made tunnels around it.I was walking around that and did see kind of cemented cemented thingy that re[presents a siding or walls base on the grass.(I cant explain what it represents but I have seen the dug ground that had kinda cubicles and a pathway}Now you can see the green grass and just the cement roots kinda thingy.I always wonder why did they cover those rooms and ways?
Ziemowit 12 | 3,588
26 Sep 2019  #27
in the future the place will be called The Saxon Palace with the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Do you see the difference?

No one is going to call the place with this most absurd name as you propose. The Saxom Palace will be Saxon Palace and the surviving part will still be the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

The Saxon Palace is an important part of national heritage in Warsaw. It should be rebuilt and will be rebuilt despite of what the rednecks of Zielona Góra and other regions of the country may think of it. The Palace may eventually take a different architectural shape than before 1939 as has been the case with the Royal Castle in Warsaw which was rebuilt in an older shape than that from before the WW II.

I like watching the ceremonies there if I am walking by.

The ceremonies take place on what was once the cour d'honneur of the Palace. A re-built Palace will not take over any part of the place they are held on.
kaprys 2 | 1,868
28 Sep 2019  #28
Actually, the tomb of the Unknown Soldier was there before the destruction of the palace. And it might not have been a coincidence that it was the only part to have survived. Allegedly one of the German soldiers took the dynamite away from that part to honour an unknown soldier.

As for rebuilding of the palace, it will cost a fortune for sure. I'm not sure how certain ceremonies will be held if it turns into a construction site. On the other hand, once I read an interview with a man responsible for rebuilding a castle (in Bobolice I think ) and he said that had he left it in ruins as it had been, it would have been honoring the enemy who'd destroyed it. Perhaps there's some truth to it.
pawian 161 | 9,907
28 Sep 2019  #29
Anybody who is for the rebuilding of the Palace and originally comes from Warsaw - I shut up and do as you wish.

In other cases, I am against.

:):)


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