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Polish natural remedies and homeopathey better than English


jon357 74 | 21,778
30 Jul 2013 #31
If the company that supplies homeopathic remedies is reliable and reputable there's no reason why many of the remedies they sell should be any less effective than many of the pharmaceutical ones

Perhaps because it's quackery.

Herbal medicines (St John's Wort is a fair example) have their place, but they are no substitute for real medicine. And homeopathy just doesn't work any better than a placebo.

play it safe and listen to doctors and take the pills that will probably work .

Very sensible.

Another issue is those people who won't have their kids vaccinated and thereby put others at risk.
poland_
30 Jul 2013 #32
but they are no substitute for real medicine

Depending on the ailments food and diet is a perfect alternative to pharma industry created alternative. If pharma medicine was so perfect. then why is there a disclaimer on every OTC and prescribed medicine?
Cardno85 31 | 976
30 Jul 2013 #33
Because you can't sue a plant?
Monitor 14 | 1,818
30 Jul 2013 #34
Depending on the ailments food and diet is a perfect alternative to pharma industry created alternative.

I've heard about some uncle of acquaintance, who was treated with homeopathics by somebody from the family. Now his skin cancer developed so much that doctors say that he has only months to live left. Before it was treatable with genuine medicine.
kaz200972 2 | 229
30 Jul 2013 #35
Perhaps because it's quackery.

Less often than you'd think, especially if the remedy has plant extracts. Herbal remedies have been effective for centuries as I said before many modern medicines are analogues of plants anyway. As I also mentioned there are obviously illnesses that require more than homeopathic/herbal treatments but there are many that don't. Even if you think about anti biotics they are derived/copied from natural sources e.g. molds. The pharmaceutical industry is really not a nice one and there is a lot of unnecessary and sometimes dangerous medicating.

Another issue is those people who won't have their kids vaccinated and thereby put others at risk.

That's a sightly different issue, vaccinations work in a different way from therapeutic drugs. I would however agree that unless there is a very important contraindication, people should be vaccinated against illness.
poland_
30 Jul 2013 #36
Because you can't sue a plant?

There is always a joker in the pack...

If it is homeopathy from a apatek/chemist then there is also a disclaimer on the instructions. There are no medicines conventional or non conventional which are absolute 100% guaranteed.

That's a sightly different issue, vaccinations work in a different way from therapeutic drugs. I would however agree that unless there is a very important contraindication, people should be vaccinated against illness.

There are enough investigative journalist reports to suggest there could be an on-going current massive media misrepresentation, profiteering on risky and valueless vaccines, gross neglect of data evidencing earlier similar man-made plagues including SARS, West Nile Virus, AIDS and more; continuance of genetic studies breeding more mutant flu viruses likely to outbreak in the future for the benefit of pharmaceutical-petrochemical industrialists allegedly operating above the law in many documented instances.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,879
30 Jul 2013 #37
My wife has become quite the expert with her various natural remedies, all thanks to the resources she finds online in Polish. Long may it last.

it is "dying out" because modern medicine wasn't an option years ago, they did with what they had. they also died of basic infections all the time because they didn't have......modern medicine.

for small things like colds and such, sure, do your homeopathy thing, but we all know everyone gets over colds and the flu regardless of what they take or don't take and there's no saying whether your whiskey and honey cocktail helped your child get over a cold in 13 days instead of 14.

agreed that things like antibiotics are delved out waaaay too frequently, poland being a huge culprit of this. if it's a virus, you're wasting your time. BUT, if you got something like strep, you better go the prescription route instead of vodka and pepper, otherwise you're simply prolonging someone's suffering.
OP Wroclaw Boy
30 Jul 2013 #38
Essentially 'staged events' for profit then warszawski.

I liked the recent story regarding GlaxoSmithKline bribing Chinese Doctors to promote their drugs.

The Chinese authorities have arrested four senior Chinese GSK executives as part of the investigation into claims that doctors were bribed with cash and sexual favours in return for prescribing GSK's drugs.

theguardian.com/business/2013/jul/22/glaxosmithkline-admits-bribery-china
kaz200972 2 | 229
30 Jul 2013 #39
I actually meant the tried and tested vaccines usually given in childhood but I should have made myself clearer, my bad.
Definitely something to think about here, especially with the viral illnesses, some are useless and little more than money making schemes.
poland_
30 Jul 2013 #40
Essentially 'staged events' for profit then warszawski.

I am not qualified to suggest events are staged, although ' big pharma' does not seem to be in the interests of widows and children...
jon357 74 | 21,778
30 Jul 2013 #41
Less often than you'd think, especially if the remedy has plant extracts

The big problem with homeopathic 'remedies' is that they don't have any extracts at all, plant or otherwise. They're diluted so much that they're just water. Bach flower 'remedies' are another bit of pseudo-science.

If people believe things like homeopathy, bach remedies, hopi candles, reiki etc are good for them - there's no problem in using them. People might feel better after them - and that is always good.

After all, they don't harm anyone just as they don't cure anything. The important thing is that in the case of serious illness they are never, ever, used instead of real medicine prescribed by a qualified doctor.
poland_
31 Jul 2013 #42
The big problem with homeopathic 'remedies' is that they don't have any extracts at all, plant or otherwise. They're diluted so much that they're just water. Bach flower 'remedies' are another bit of pseudo-science.

You are most definitely a Richard Dawkins advocate.

Your views on homeopathy and religion are carbon copy of RD.
Terry Zazoff
31 Jul 2013 #43
Read a book called " Bad Science" by Ben Goldacre.
It debunks all the myths about the results of clinical trials are worded.
Homeopathy and Naturapathy are just scams.
poland_
31 Jul 2013 #44
Read a book called " Bad Science" by Ben Goldacre.

Read a book by the same author titled "Bad Pharma"
beckski 12 | 1,617
31 Jul 2013 #45
I once sprained my ankle at a Polish church. A Polish man there suggested, I rub my ankle with mint leaves soaked in castor oil.
Cardno85 31 | 976
31 Jul 2013 #46
To be fair the science there is pretty sound, although the castor oil isn't really needed and mint leaves don't have THAT much menthol in them. But it works along the same lines as Ice Sprays you get. Menthol gives a cooling sensation and that will help stop it swelling so much.

In saying that, ice would have worked better.
jon357 74 | 21,778
31 Jul 2013 #47
You are most definitely a Richard Dawkins advocate.

Your views on homeopathy and religion are carbon copy of RD.

I haven't read any of his stuff, but I do believe there's a role for faith healing, herbs etc. Just a complementary role - modern medicine is there to save and improve lives, not just make money for those who distribute the product.
OP Wroclaw Boy
31 Jul 2013 #48
The big problem with homeopathic 'remedies' is that they don't have any extracts at all, plant or otherwise.

You've obviously never tried Oregano Oil P73.

They're diluted so much that they're just water.

Just water!! they're just water says Jon.

After all, they don't harm anyone just as they don't cure anything.

They don't cure anything he says, just to clarify are you saying natural remedies don't cure anything? confirm that before i rip you apart. (will you threaten court action again for that comment?) How's the court action going by the way?

real medicine prescribed by a qualified doctor.

Doctor = A legal drug dealer who has been influenced by big pharma.
Monitor 14 | 1,818
31 Jul 2013 #49
Just water!! they're just water says Jon.

water and sugar :)

jon357:
After all, they don't harm anyone just as they don't cure anything.

sometimes not curing is harming
OP Wroclaw Boy
31 Jul 2013 #50
and sometimes the medicine is worse than the disease.

Prozac isnt meant to cure, its meant to create addiction and MONEY.
poland_
31 Jul 2013 #51
modern medicine is there to save and improve lives, not just make money for those who distribute the product.

I agree when we separate the good of medicine ' the doctors' against the evil of medicine ' pharmaceutical-petrochemical industrialists'.
jon357 74 | 21,778
31 Jul 2013 #52
I'd be careful of describing business as 'evil'.
OP Wroclaw Boy
31 Jul 2013 #53
Watch out warszawski Jons gonna threaten you with court action next.

just like he did to me here: ohh its been deleted, you do realise youve given me free pass to ridicule you for years with that one?
jon357 74 | 21,778
31 Jul 2013 #54
You are a very silly person. Abolished money yet?
poland_
31 Jul 2013 #55
I'd be careful of describing business as 'evil'.

Life is full of juxtapositions: evil versus good is a broad concept it typically deals with an association with life.
jon357 74 | 21,778
31 Jul 2013 #56
Saving lives by investing in scientific research and clinical trials then producing and marketing medicines is not evil.

It isn't asset stripping, it isn't high interest loans to the feckless, it isn't encouraging people to spend. It's honest business.
Ant63 13 | 410
31 Jul 2013 #57
do you have proof that homeopathy isn't effective ?

The proof is in the fact that many ailments are now survivable.

Many homoeopathic medicines in the past were in fact poisons and killed you anyway.

Food as medicine is on the increase, as well as the rise of organic products.

So people are beginning to realise they are what they eat? Old man says you are what you wear. Wear well! Young man says you are what you eat. Eat well!

Eating a balanced and varied diet, getting enough sleep and avoiding copious amounts of alcohol will keep you away from the doctors and quacks in most cases. A lot of homoeopathic medicines, in one way or another help you sleep. They promote the bodies natural healing process. Getting enough sleep seems to be the key.
poland_
31 Jul 2013 #58
Saving lives by investing in scientific research and clinical trials then producing and marketing medicines is not evil.

Have you read the book 'overdosed America'?

You can watch this link and listen to a professor of medicine discuss this topic
youtube.com/watch?v=_RKd4P_tqYo

I would be interested to hear your opinion afterwards.
Monitor 14 | 1,818
31 Jul 2013 #59
@warszawski: of course there is overuse of drugs, that's why in many cases placebo is not bad. On the other hand you cannot say that's just evil. In the end never before human was living so many years.
poland_
31 Jul 2013 #60
On the other hand you cannot say that's just evil. In the end never before human was living so many years.

If it is not for the greater good, then what other word can be considered maybe wicked,sinister, underhand or immoral you choose.


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