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Differences in Polish, American and British mentality


puella 4 | 172
10 Mar 2011 #121
Well said Enkidu.

are you sure? can you elaborate?
Does it mean that in PRL there were uneployed engineers?

That there was no point in getting education and being smart and working hard? That an "engineer" would get hired regardless of their qualifications? Following that line of thinking, the whole "educated" class was just a bunch of incompetent idiots.

Of course it's not true.

Obviously, you won't agree with that statement, and you will promptly give an example of someone you know or someone from your family who did well, got educated, etc. and was not an active communist, or socialist, or whatever there was

I can give such example. Of course people who were on position had to be in some organisation but it was nothing more than a pose. The person I'm talking about indeed was in a youth organisation (or whatever it was called) but was never willing to join the party. And not because of political/ideological issues. He just never wanted to joint the układy...
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
10 Mar 2011 #122
being an active member meant to give speeches on 1st May. Nothing more.

Tak dziekuje Puelka.

In the military factory - there was absolutely, totally no way for somebody who was not willing to collaborate to get a job. Even as a floor sweeper.

OK since this is really hurting all of you guys i'll tell you... My father was a kierownik his father worked as a guard in that same facility, catching on.... when the whole communist system looked like it was gonna fall apart any day EVERYONE tried to get something out of it, (new system meant maybe they'll forget or wont know what happened) people in administrative post started selling steel, iron, wheels, maybe ever guns by taking them out of them factory. The last year in Poland my father was making in a few days what he made in a month. The commies found out those who were involved had to flee, how could he be a commie and work for them when he took from them they wanted to imprison him!!??? Why I told you this, to prove he wasn't a commie, and that he hurt that communist government the government which if democratic would have paid him wages he deserved as every other underpaid oppressed worker in that damn regime.
enkidu 7 | 623
10 Mar 2011 #123
I know the realities. And I am not saying that the "party loyalist" has to be incompetent. On the contrary - he has to be competent, well educated AND loyal. Especially if working in the factory that was important from the military point of view.

are you sure? can you elaborate?
Does it mean that in PRL there were uneployed engineers?

It was called a "wilczy bilet" (wolf's ticket - I don't know why they call it that way). If you get it - the only job available would be an odd, manual jobs. Regardles of the university degree.
pgtx 29 | 3,159
10 Mar 2011 #124
people in administrative post started selling steel, iron, wheels, maybe ever guns by taking them out of them factory. The last year in Poland my father was making in a few days what he made in a month. The commies found out those who were involved had to flee

he was a thief... nothing to be proud of...

EVERYONE tried to get something out of it,

it doesn't justify his actions....
puella 4 | 172
10 Mar 2011 #125
"wilczy bilet" (wolf's ticket - I don't know why they call it that way).

numerus clausus.

If you get it - the only job available would be an odd, manual jobs. Regardles of the university degree.

Probably not because you were not a socialist activist but a solidarity activist, am I wrong?
Harry
10 Mar 2011 #126
So, in effect, what you're saying is, in the 80s, everyone in Poland with a respectable position was an incompetent party loyalist? That there was no point in getting education and being smart and working hard? That an "engineer" would get hired regardless of their qualifications?

Perhaps you would like to read what I wrote? "ability and reliability" Without a bit of both, good jobs were not available. Look at Adam Michnik: excellent writer but was only able to work as a welder. Jan Rokita: excellent marks at uni but not allowed to train as a lawyer.

As I said, you don't know anything about Penn's father and yet you claim to know him better than his own son.

We know that he built weapons which enabled two communist regimes to oppress the people of two different nations.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
10 Mar 2011 #127
t doesn't justify his actions....

Listen commies stole legally others illegally everyone did it, you didn't you lived just like all commoners on kartki. In Russia Vory v Sakonye is a proud term.
Marynka11 4 | 675
10 Mar 2011 #128
Marynka11:
Well said Enkidu.

are you sure? can you elaborate?
Does it mean that in PRL there were uneployed engineers?

My edit to that post again:
However I wanted to add a true story from my past: it was the year eighty something. My older brother was about to take his entry exam to secondary school. It was a somewhat competitive school. It was also the year of elections. The normal course of events was to ignore the whole thing. However, my mother was very worried about my brother getting into the school. My parents were fighting the whole morning over going to the elections, and in the afternoon my mother went to vote. She said, she wouldn't forgive herself if my brother didn't get to the school because of her failing to vote. My father stayed home.

Only nowadays I see under what kind of pressure the generation of our parents was. Some people had to cave in, and it wasn't because they were evil. There was life that had to be lived, kids that had to raised and fed. We have only a vague idea how it was like to be in their shoes.
puella 4 | 172
10 Mar 2011 #129
Listen commies stole legally others illegally everyone did it, you didn't you lived just like all commoners on kartki.

So your father was stealing too?
pgtx 29 | 3,159
10 Mar 2011 #130
Listen commies stole legally others illegally everyone did it

not everyone... don't put all Poles in a line with your dad... i know of many people who didn't...

In Russia Vory v Sakonye is a proud term.

well, it's not Russia...
Harry
10 Mar 2011 #131
The last year in Poland my father was making in a few days what he made in a month. The commies found out those who were involved had to flee, how could he be a commie and work for them when he took from them they wanted to imprison him!!???

Interesting: in the past you have claimed here) that your "father worked there just for 5 years left for East Germany better pay, then Spain and USA." But now you claim that he actually had to flee because his thieving came to light.

How did he manage to get a job in a security conscious industry in a police state (i.e. East Germany) after having been forced to flee Poland?

Your lies seem to be unraveling somewhat.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
10 Mar 2011 #132
So your father was stealing too?

"I kill a communist for fun but for a green card i'm gonna carve him up real nice" Al PAcino LOL
Any time you hurt a communist or a communist government it's something to be proud of, a government that denied you of your basic human rights and essentials. Communism was like a uncle who took you in when you needed help, but molested you.
puella 4 | 172
10 Mar 2011 #133
But now you claim that he actually had to flee because his thieving came to light.

I think it's much better to be a communist than a thief... shame on your father, Penn. The thing you've acknoledged is much worse than every accussation Harry made about your father...

Any time you hurt a communist or a communist government it's something to be proud of,

YOU'VE MUST BE KIDDING. YOUR DAD ROBBED MILLIONS OF POLES! And you dare to make excuses?! I'm disgusted.
Marynka11 4 | 675
10 Mar 2011 #134
Any time you hurt a communist or a communist government it's something to be proud of, a government that denied you of your basic human rights and essentials. Communism was like a uncle who took you in when you needed help, but molested you.

Were you aware that in communism everything was the property of everyone? Your father was stealing from his own people. Nothing to be proud of.

I can work up excuses for collaborators, but not for criminals.
ItsAllAboutME 3 | 270
10 Mar 2011 #135
Ok, En, your point has been made mute by Penn and Marynka, so cut your losses...
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
10 Mar 2011 #136
shame on your father, Penn

I would have done the exact same thing everyones innocent and smart after the facts, if you actually lived in communist Poland you'd do the same thing 'You got a family you've got an engineering degree, you wasted 2 years in your life in some damn army, you have nothing for all of your work' in a normal country you'd be a rich man with your qualifications. Like a doctor who made 3 times less than a coal miner in Poland, this is normal to you???

Interesting: in the past you have claimed here) that your "father worked there just for 5 years left for East Germany better pay, then Spain and USA." But now you claim that he actually had to flee because his thieving came to ligh

The guy who quotes me word for word lol, he first was in E Germany 2 years job training and work , 5 years in Poland, then left for Spain in 88' , 90' for America, happy?? LOL
puella 4 | 172
10 Mar 2011 #137
I would have done the exact same thing everyones innocent and smart after the facts, if you actually lived in communist Poland you'd do the same thing 'You got a family you've got an engineering degree, you wasted 2 years in your life in some damn army, you have nothing for all of your work'

I'd rather be poor.
OP Havok 10 | 912
10 Mar 2011 #138
Poland is a really tiny nation in comparison to the massive amount of different cultures and societies living here in the US and abroad. Honestly we’re hardly recognized as a unique culture or mentality in this melting pot.

9 out of 10 when I just say that I’m Polish to someone they'll look at me confused wanting more explanation. Once this is established, people just accept it. They may pay attention to news about Poland because now they know someone that says is Polish. And that’s where it ends.

There are so little of us out there that it's not really difficult for a Polish person living abroad to spot another Polish.
To me personally it feels like looking in to a giant jelly bean jar and spotting white and red one in there. To us Polish, the white and red means something, to others it’s just another jelly bean.

You can pretend not to be Polish but the white and red mentality will give you away to other Polish. To others here in the US you’re just another white dude in a melting pot of many.

As a side note: it's so much more fun to mangle with all the jelly beans in the jar and not only those white and red ones.

It gives one a valuable perspective that can be used to ones advantage.

I would like to hear someone’s perspective from the British side.
Harry
10 Mar 2011 #139
Any time you hurt a communist or a communist government it's something to be proud of, a government that denied you of your basic human rights and essentials.

And any time a person helped a communist regime by making them weapons which with they could oppress people, that person should have been ashamed. Was your father ashamed every day that he worked to prop up two commie regimes?

I would have done the exact same thing

Yes, we have already seen from your willingness to swear to attack Poland that you inherited your father's complete lack of morals.

The guy who quotes me word for word lol, he first was in E Germany 2 years job training and work , 5 years in Poland, then left for Spain in 88' , 90' for America, happy?? LOL

So now you say the exact opposite of what you said previously. First it was East Germany, Poland and then East Germany and Spain but now it is East Germany, Poland and then Spain. Were you lying then or now? Or both then and now?

One question though, you claim he had to flee after his thieving was discovered: how did a man wanted for theft from a key industry manage to get a passport with an exit visa?
enkidu 7 | 623
10 Mar 2011 #140
Any time you hurt a communist or a communist government it's something to be proud of

You dad has served them for the decades. Are you proud of this as well?

In 1989 a lot of party members an collaborators escaped to the West. They know that in free Poland they would be held responsible for their doings. Some of them pretended to be a freedom-fighters and Solidarność members and applied for a political asylum.

But the true is - in 1989, when the Solidarność won the elections - there was no reason for patriots to escape. The patriots were freed from the prisons and started to build a new free Poland. But the commies and collaborators have got every reason to be afraid.
Harry
10 Mar 2011 #141
I'd rather be poor.

I'd rather be poor and work for the good of Poland.

Oh, wait a minute, I mean "I was poor and I did work for the good of Poland"!
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
10 Mar 2011 #142
I'd rather be poor.

Puelka remember, the people who accomplish something in life are the ones who take risks, the ones who just sit back will stay in one place. Like in a job place if you don't run your mouth ask for a raise leave or threaten to leave you'll never get one. The boss will think you're a dummy and got nowhere else to go.
pgtx 29 | 3,159
10 Mar 2011 #143
keeping up your standards and morals is an achievement... not 'do celu po trupach'...
ItsAllAboutME 3 | 270
10 Mar 2011 #144
Oh, wait a minute, I mean "I was poor and I did work for the good of Poland"!

Harry, can you explain the source of your expertise in all things Polish, and when you worked for the good of Poland?

I would also like to know where

willingness to swear to attack Poland

came from.
puella 4 | 172
10 Mar 2011 #145
Puelka remember, the people who accomplish something in life are the ones who take risks,

and who steals?

Puelka remember

And please stop patronizing me. You can't even imagine how much I'm disgusted of you and your dad!

Harry, can you explain the source of your expertise in all things Polish, and when you worked for the good of Poland?

he was a Peace Corps (or something like that) volonteer as a teacher of English.
Harry
10 Mar 2011 #146
the people who accomplish something in life are the ones who take risks

Yes, being a collaborator is certainly running the risk that freedom will once again return and one will have to flee.

the ones who just sit back will stay in one place.

If that place is called 'Poland', that'll be just fine with me thanks.

Like in a job place if you don't run your mouth ask for a raise leave or threaten to leave you'll never get one.

Quite right: you will never get a job (for long) if you run your mouth. Not that you need to worry about that, given that you work at daddy's company.
puella 4 | 172
10 Mar 2011 #147
Yes, being a collaborator is certainly running the risk that freedom will once again return and one will have to flee.

Oh stop that collaborator thing! Can't you see that he confessed to much worse thing?
ItsAllAboutME 3 | 270
10 Mar 2011 #148
why can't Harry speak for himself? He seems to know a lot about Poland in the 80s/early 90s. I would like to find out how. It's a simple question.
Harry
10 Mar 2011 #149
Can't you see that he confessed to much worse thing?

I'm not sure that it is worse. Thieves steal property; collaborators steal freedom. Would you trade your possessions for your freedom?

why can't Harry speak for himself?

You've already had your answer. Goodbye.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
10 Mar 2011 #150
And please stop patronizing me. You can't even imagine how much I'm disgusted of you and your dad!

Sometimes if you wanna win the war you have to burn the village.

steals?

Communists robbed all Poles!!! your money your health, freedom to hurt them was something good why is it so hard for you to see that? That Catholic Church has brainwashed you, told you what to do, how to feel about certain things, meanwhile they steal from the people take their money take their services to build for free, and molest little children. They do all those things they've been teaching you are wrong.

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