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The changing RCC habits of Poles

Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
22 Aug 2013 #61
You state that last part as though it's a fact

Yes, but the fact is that such is the teaching of the Church. Whether you want to believe it or not is a separate story. It is said that faith is a gift, and not everybody has received it.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
22 Aug 2013 #62
It is said that faith is a gift, and not everybody has received it.

It is said faith can be a vice or a virtue; )
A lot of things are said. I find the biggest talkers and thereby the biggest hypocrites are those that claim to have faith, speak or behave as though this makes them "better" than others and not see their own sin in doing so.

Repent Polonius3
Paulina 9 | 1,448
25 Aug 2013 #63
If I'd wanted to do that, I'd have just pointed out the 45% decline in Poles who go to church and completely ignored the far larger increase in Poles who take communion, wouldn't I.

Not necessarily, that data about Poles taking the communion could be just smoke and mirrors on your part used to camouflage the real reason for this thread and that reason is more then obvious, imho.

Er, no it does not, as you'd know if you read the links to the methodology of the survey. The survey is simply a snapshot of a single Sunday.

OK, then we don't know how many Poles go to church every Sunday. Great. Fascinating. Whatever.

Perhaps if you spent more time actually reading my posts and less time making up fictional reasons for my posts

I'm not making up fictional reasons for your posts, I'm drawing conclusions based on your behaviour on this forum. And you didn't deny that was the reason for this thread. You just wrote "If I'd wanted to do that", but you didn't deny it. Nor did delph, if you haven't noticed.

Anyway, back to the topic, do you have any thoughts why there are so many fewer of 'the faithful' but the faithful which there are seem to be becoming much more 'faithful'?

It doesn't matter if I do, I wouldn't share them with someone like you anyway.

Delph, I'll try to comment on your post some other time.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,267
25 Aug 2013 #64
Anyway, back to the topic, do you have any thoughts why there are so many fewer of 'the faithful' but the faithful which there are seem to be becoming much more 'faithful'?

I have some thoughts on this matter.

We know that during Communism, plenty of people went to Church simply because it was outside the all-controlling state structures. It stands to reason that many of them wouldn't take Communion - they might not have been particularly observant, but the Church gave them a place to be themselves. Ignoring the fact that the Church was riddled with collaborators, it still offered a chance to oppose the regime.

Flash forward to today, where there's no need to go there to oppose - you can oppose on the internet, on the streets, anywhere you want. Combine that with 24 years of some very abusive behaviour by the Church at times - and it's obvious that participation rates are falling. But the ones that remain are more faithful (which is obvious) - hence the rate of taking Communion has gone up correspondingly. It may also be that people are taking the rituals less seriously - and that people don't feel the need to confess before going to Communion.

It's a shame that we don't have more detailed data - I'd love to know the participation of people aged 18-25 now as opposed to then.
Barney 14 | 1,472
25 Aug 2013 #65
I'm drawing conclusions based on your behaviour on this forum

What a moveable feast this thread is, it wasn't so long ago that the op was telling all that the only way to leave the Church was through formal resignation.
Paulina 9 | 1,448
25 Aug 2013 #66
Ignoring the fact that the Church was riddled with collaborators, it still offered a chance to oppose the regime.

Delph lol "the Church was riddled with collaborators" You just wouldn't be yourself if you didn't add this to your sentence :)

But was it "riddled with collaborators" though? I know that there were collaborators, but I don't know how many. Do you?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
25 Aug 2013 #67
participation of people aged 18-25

Niepraktykujący są częściej mężczyźni (5,3%), ludzie młodzi (18 - 25 lat - 5,2%), z wykształceniem wyższym (10%) i mieszkający w miastach powyżej 100 tys.

Non-practising are most often males (5.3%), young people (aged 18-25 - 5.2%), those with higher educaiton (10%) and those reisdng in cities of over 100,000 population
OP Harry
27 Aug 2013 #68
a Polish American from Michigan:

Isn't he lucky that he has such first world problems. All round the world children starve to death every minute but our supposed Polonian whines about his sandwich being made wrong.

Me: God, can I ask you a question?

My god would reply "I expect you probably can."

God: You're welcome child. It was just another day being your God, and I love looking after my children.

Perhaps we should address what Christians are supposed to believe is the actual word of their lord? Here's a happy statement from their lord:

And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Hmm, and coming back to the topic, perhaps the knowledge of the bible, and especially the bits about how their god is a vengeful god ( "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord. And again, the Lord will judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Hebrews 10:30-31), is behind the increase in the number of Poles taking communion? We all know that the average age of regular church goers is going up, so perhaps as they get closer to meeting their maker they are getting more worried about being judged and thus are putting in extra effort to get on the right side of their lord?
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
27 Aug 2013 #69
That is the most naive and vain portrayal of an all-knowing, all-seeing, all-existing, all-creating being I've read...and that is me being respectful.

That read more like a conversation someone was having with themselves after learning some simple bits of coincidence.
But it reeks of a life that has been pretty untouched by suffering so I'm going to go ahead and dismiss it as childish and lacking depth from someone who seems untested.

It's that "version" or depiction of what God is that gives so much fuel to atheists. Of the various religious ideas being spouted as if they were true, that stands out as one of the more limited and self-serving beliefs of what God is. Basically it's the most limited description of infinity going out there and that's why Catholics are so often portrayed as stupid because you'd have to be lacking in imagination to decide "yep that's what God's like. Always there to reward me."

If God was really talking to our a**es, then the conversation would look more like this:

Me: On the way home, my phone went dead, just as I picked
up a call.

God: And?

Me: And on top of it all, when I got home I just wanted to soak
my feet in my new foot massager and relax, but it wouldn't work!!!
Nothing went right today! Why did you do that?

God: Let me see, you're complaining about your phone going dead
when at the same time someone else actually went dead?!?
The Death Angel was at your bed this morning and because I control
everything, I just sent him to take someone else. Your a$$ isn't ready
to get into heaven yet ya lazy bum!

Me: But what about my phone?

God: Your phone went dead while going home?
You do realize you have an actual home to go to?

Ya see, for some fcuked up reason I like to give some people
an easy life and then take a massive sh*t on the majority
of the world's population and let them live in crowded
or dirty or dangerous or unsustainable environments -
sometimes it's a combination of all those things....

Oh but that's right, your foot massager wouldn't work.
Do you realize how mind-numbing it is for factory workers to put foot massagers together?!?
Do you realize that the materials for you mobile phone are mined by the company you have stocks in and pays their miners next to nothing?!?

Do you realize how easy your life is in comparison to the vast majority of the planet and how little you're doing to actually make other people's lives easier?!?

From how you travel to what you eat or what you buy and how you make your money, in all those ways you are a drain on the planet. And you just don't see it, do you?

Me: (humbled): OH...

GOD: I didn't let your car start because there was a drunk
driver on your route that would have hit you if you were on the road.
He was drinking because his wife was killed at work when her hair
got caught in a machine...want the details on that?

Me: (ashamed)

God: The first person who made your sandwich today was sick
and I didn't want you to catch what they have, I knew you couldn't
afford to miss work but I still let them get sick even though they work
a crap job for crap wages. You catching on yet as to how easy
you have it?

Me: (embarrassed): Ok...

God: Your phone went dead because the person that was
calling was going to give false witness about what you said
on that call, I didn't even let you talk to them so you would
be covered. For some reason though I chose not to influence
them on the matter but talk loud and clear with you about
everything. So don't waste my time with whining.

Me: (softly) I see God. I'm sorry God.

God: Don't be sorry. Look, you don't live in and
outside of time and are everything individually and
collectively all at once. For that reason it's hard to
convey to you how at odds existence is with itself.

I'm running the show and your brain (which I am
part of) is too feeble to really get all there is to
existence. Life is your task some people have
an easy task, some people have a hard one.

I'm not saying my conversation is closer to the truth, but if nothing else, it's more entertaining: )
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
27 Aug 2013 #70
our supposed Polonian whines

Another lie! The Polonian simply passed this along like many htings floating about the net these days. She was not the auhtor, but it is typical of what mayn americans whine about.


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