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Starting a seasonal work agency in Tricity....


hugovk 1 | 4
2 Oct 2012  #1
Hi... I'm new here, this forum is a very good source of information and I would like to thank everyone who contributes to it... My parent's are winemakers in the south west of France this summer after years of struggling to find any decent french people to work in our wines we hired two polish workers through a seasonal working agency. What a refreshing change, these guys were on time, worked hard and never complained. We are thrilled about the experience we have had with polish workers. Talking about it with other wine makers I realized that there was a market for labor in my area.

This summer I went to Poland on a holiday and I loved it ended up staying 3 weeks instead of 1 week originally planed. I now want to start my own seasonal working agency. I'm a dutch citizen (EU).

I would like to know if I could set up a working agency has a sole trader ?

If not witch juridical form would be more adapted ?

I'm going to Poland (Gdansk) in 3 weeks for about 2 weeks, would that be long enough to set up a sole trader company?

Is there anyone here who could give me contacts: a Lawyer, Accountant in Tricity ?

Can I do part of the paper work from France before I get to Poland ?

I'm sure there will be plenty of other questions to come :) Thank you for reading this, hope this sympathetic community can help me.

best regards Hugo VKP
Harry
2 Oct 2012  #2
I would like to know if I could set up a working agency has a sole trader ?

Yes, but you might not want to: here in Poland you will have to pay both social insurance contributions and taxes every month, even if you do no business at all here.

My parent's are winemakers in the south west of France this summer after years of struggling to find any decent french people to work in our wines we hired two polish workers through a seasonal working agency.

You might want to get in touch with a man named John Borrel: he makes wine about 30km from Gdansk (and has a rather high-end guest-house with a stunning wine list).

kanialodge.com.pl/en/about-us
jon357 63 | 14,122
2 Oct 2012  #3
I would like to know if I could set up a working agency has a sole trader ?

You will need to register it as a recruitment agency.
OP hugovk 1 | 4
2 Oct 2012  #4
In France it's the same thing you must pay social insurance and taxes every month the rates in Poland are much more reasonable :)

You might want to get in touch with a man named John Borrel: he makes wine about 30km from Gdansk (and has a rather high-end guest-house with a stunning wine list).

Thank you had a look at the link will try to visit this winemaker when I'm in Gdansk, always nice to chat with other winemakers and of course taste the fruit of there labor.

You will need to register it as a recruitment agency.

So there is a specific license I need to have ??
could you please give me more details ??

thank you for you're answers
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
2 Oct 2012  #5
You will need to register it as a recruitment agency.

I could be wrong - but - I think it's a registered profession in Poland.

In France it's the same thing you must pay social insurance and taxes every month the rates in Poland are much more reasonable :)

Is 250 euro a month + 19% tax really reasonable by French standards?
OP hugovk 1 | 4
2 Oct 2012  #6
I could be wrong - but - I think it's a registered profession in Poland.

Do you know where I could get information on this ??

Is 250 euro a month + 19% tax really reasonable by French standards?

19% tax is on the profit ? I read that for the first two years you have a reduced rate maybe I'm wrong. Then it's 250eur a month witch by french standards is cheap here It's 4000eur a year and 33% or 51% tax on profit... Vat is a bit cheaper here 19.6 %...

thank you
Harry
2 Oct 2012  #7
Is 250 euro a month + 19% tax really reasonable by French standards?

Isn't it more like EUR 60 per month for the first two years and then EUR 200 per month after that?
Warszawette - | 128
2 Oct 2012  #8
I assume you cannot find "decent" French workers simply because they expect decent salaries and conditions and therefore you prefer exploiting poor Poles, who know nothing about wine, nothing about the language and the local laws so they cannot complain to authorities in case of problems.

Honte à toi, négrier !
OP hugovk 1 | 4
2 Oct 2012  #9
wow did not see that coming... when polish workers come work in France they have the same conditions has french workers... French people are just not willing to do agricultural work anymore, if they do they come to work every two days and complain. The two workers I had this summer made 1400eur a month for 40h of work a week they were thrilled, they even found a job on the side for two days a week because they wanted to make more money. The term négrier is a bit over the top...

Isn't it more like EUR 60 per month for the first two years and then EUR 200 per month after that?

I hope you are right :) do you know where I could find a list of registered professions in Poland ?
Warszawette - | 128
2 Oct 2012  #10
And what re Sécurité Sociale, Médecine du Travail, URSSAF, ....? And what about accommodation?

Sorry but 1,400 - gross ? - for 40 hours a week for hard work under sun and rain won't be acceptable to 99% French.

(PS. why don't you post on a French-Polish site?)
Kirchmayr - | 4
2 Oct 2012  #11
you seem to have a bee in your bonnet but i am not sure why, it could also be because the unemployment benefit is so good in france it can be a disincentive to work. usually the employer pays those charges on to of the 1 400 gross.
OP hugovk 1 | 4
2 Oct 2012  #12
Sorry but 1,400 - gross ? - for 40 hours a week for hard work under sun and rain won't be acceptable to 99% French.

They have a fiche de paie like any other french worker they are in titled to unemployment in France and Sécurité Sociale. Most of the french farmers take care of the accommodation if not they contribute to the rent of a gite. 1400eur net including prime de fin de contrat and prime de Précarité. A lot of french do the job but FINDING A GOOD WORKER is hard. I'm not looking to exploit anyone was just very happy with what I saw of Polish people's work ethic and truly believe that my farmer colleague's and the workers could have a win win situation. Talking to Marcin and Radeck who worked here they told me about horrible conditions they had working in the Nederland's, 30 workers in a 3 bedroom house with one bathroom, that profoundly disgusts me ( I'm dutch ). I guess it all comes down to ones ethics, I could never exploit, and abuse people. I understand you're concern for you're fellow country men but I believe that you are judging me without knowing anything about my motivations and who I'm.

(PS. why don't you post on a French-Polish site?)

why not, do you know of one ?

usually the employer pays those charges on to of the 1 400 gross.

we do indeed pay all charges on top so for a 1400eur net salary it cost in reality 2300 eur to the employer
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
2 Oct 2012  #13
Isn't it more like EUR 60 per month for the first two years and then EUR 200 per month after that?

Quite a bit more these days - closer to 100 Euro a month for the first two years, then just under 250 Euro after that. A total and utter disincentive for small businesses.
golas - | 21
3 Oct 2012  #14
Goddag Hugovk,

I have opened 3 Temporary Work Agencies for our Clients. I would be delighted to help you and will answer all your questions.

With regards to your questions regarding setting up Temporary Work Agency.

1) Juridical form

You can either open a Temporary Work Agency as a sole trader or alternatively you can open limited liability company.

You can now open LLC in Poland on-line and it will be registered within Court in 3 working days. Then you apply for statistical number (REGON) and TAX Identification Number (NIP). This will take up to 7-10 working days.

(please send me your email so I will send you more details regarding ZUS, PIT and CIT taxation)

2) Starting Temporary Work Agency

Before you start employing temporary workers you have to register your company within Register of Employment Agencies which is operated by The Voivodeship Labour Office in Gdańsk.

Requirements:
- sign application for entering in to the register.
- sign a statement (I can send the english version of statement to your email)
- attach NIP and REGON number certificates
- attach excerpt from National Court Register (LLC) or excerpt form sole trader register

3) We can advise you on employment contracts and other issues connected with doing business in Poland.

You can open LLC while you are in France and we can take care of NIP, REGON and Employment Agency registrations.

Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
3 Oct 2012  #15
OP,

you will still employ cheap labour. I have no bees in my bonnet (love that expression), but that is a fact. Import of cheap labour is today's biggest import across the globe.

What a refreshing change, these guys were on time, worked hard and never complained. We are thrilled about the experience we have had with polish workers. Talking about it with other wine makers I realized that there was a market for labor in my area.

I honestly hope you will be treating those workers fair, however because of the dynamics of the relationship: you: the boss, they are cheap labour eager and often desperate to get the job is going to create sooner or later a situation where one of the sides are going to be exploited. It is not going to be you. If this is something you have already decided against, then kudos to you.


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