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PUBLIC DISPLAYS OF SWASTIKA AND NAZI SYMBOLS in Krakow, Poland - Where I should report them?


isthatu2 4 | 2,708
5 May 2011 #31
Well it is a seller of nazi memorabilia, he sells objects with swastikas on them,
and he sells them in public display,
and he also displays them on a public website with more than 1 million monthly visitors.

It is exactly the definition of public display of swastikas.

Clear right off you hysterical loon!!!! Just who do you think you are ? You go to a country ,know nothing of its language yet are willing to make a fool of yourself by trying to get an antiques dealer sent to prison.

FYI incase you hadnt noticed Poland and Europe are no longer run by nazis or commies so take your fascistic tendencies elswehere.
I find it a bit insulting that you consider yourself the arbiter of good taste in a country that lost 6 million dead in the last war!!!! If local Poles are content to see a small buisness man making a living for himself just who do you think you are to judge?


  • so sue me!!!!
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
5 May 2011 #32
It is sad such an ancient symbol, which is known worldwide and was used by proto-proto people since at least the time basket weaving, is appropriated by scoundrels. Swastika is a Sanskrit word and the symbol is associated with several dieties in Hinduism most especially the graceful goddess Saraswati, hence the name Swastika. The Nazis didn't even call it a "Swastika" but rather a "Hakenkreuzen" or some such ugly word which translates into "crooked cross" in english. Calling its Nazi usage a Swastika is unfortunate and it should be called a "Nazi-Footed-X" in English from now on, or perhaps "Hitler's Anus".
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
5 May 2011 #33
bhah.Germanic Gladiators had it as their shield decoration in Romano Britian...its as much a German thing as some hippy dippy Indian thing.

But I would love to see her reaction at my Hindu mates houses during feast times when their doorsteps are covered in chalk swasticas :)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,815
5 May 2011 #34
The reason the Nazi party adopted the Swastika wasn't so much because it was an ancient, sanskrit symbol but because it was quite popular in the West as the German Workers party was founded 1920.

It was just fashionable in many countries that time...that's all.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_use_of_the_Swastika_in_the_early_20th_century

The swastika (gammadion, "fylfot") symbol became a popular symbol of luck in the Western world in the early 20th century.

Crow 137 | 7,721
5 May 2011 #35
then go relaxing in the restroom (where your views belong) and stop discharging your bowels here on PF, it still stinks from the last time you shat your gazillionth slavija turd.

what`s wrong with comments about Slavs on PF, especially when we speak about old Slavic symbol- swastika?
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
5 May 2011 #36
because it was quite popular in the West

as found in the ruins of camuludunam


  • see inside red circle

  • full pot,german gladiaator ,on left.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,815
5 May 2011 #37
Not that....the Swastika was common pop culture in the West in the roaring Twenties...that's why it was chosen by the Nazis.
Not as much because of it's ancient, sanskrit symbolism...
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
5 May 2011 #38
er,that aint sanskrit, thats some gladiator called Germanicus the impaler (ok,he's not,but he is a german gladiator), Im not disputing the nazis had various reasons for choosing the crooked cross,maybe they just really liied Finland or Ravi Shankar music? But, its cleary also an ancient germanic symbol despite what todays new age hippies will tell you :)

(or not tell you,in the case of the guy on the BBC doc the other week,showing this vase he describes both the gladiators,names,skills ,the lot,its all written on the vase,even after pointing out the guy was a German warrior the lack of mention of the swastica on his sheild was almost laughable,like a big elephant farting in the room :) )
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,815
5 May 2011 #39
But, its cleary also an ancient germanic symbol

No, it isn't!

...
The swastika (Sanskrit: स्वस्तिक) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles, in either right-facing (卐) form or its mirrored left-facing (卍) form. Earliest archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates back to the Indus Valley Civilization of Ancient India as well as Classical Antiquity. It remains widely used in Indian Religions, specifically in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.

isthatu2 4 | 2,708
5 May 2011 #40
are you blind???? How many german warriors do you think went on gap years to India in 170 AD?
Why the argument BB?
Have you been told that every single one of Hitlers archeological discoveries were faked? maybe they were,this one was found in Colchester,and not by Himmler........no nazi buried this vase to make a connection between the swastica of old and new did they..............sheesh.
Crow 137 | 7,721
5 May 2011 #41
full pot,german gladiaator ,on left.

there was no German gladiator in the antic Rome. Eventually Germanic and as we all know Sarmats lived in Germania. Just later when those Sarmatians were romanized, they acquired name (and were designated that way by Romans) of Roman province of Germania for themselves. So, Germanics and later Germans appeared on the scene.

From the Balkan to the Baltic, only ethos that bordered with Roman Empire was Sarmatian (Proto Slavic) people. Actually, they lived on the both sides of the border. Border wasn`t their but invention of invading Romans. Romans created border (cut it thru the land of natives) and then accused native European Sarmats for violation of that border. It was ultimate hypocrisy. Then Romans enslaved Sarmats and committed genocide and ethnocide on native Sarmatians.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,815
5 May 2011 #42
You are speaking of a germanic warrior in the roman army in what is now Colchester?
The same army ruling over all of the known world at one time? It can't be that that symbol just somehow made it's way onto a shield of one soldier of that widespead army which was comprised of soldiers of countless cultures and heritage?

It MUST be an germanic symbol???

When some motorbikers in California wear the Iron Cross around their neck (or their belt buckles, or their helmets) does that mean that they are Prussians???
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
5 May 2011 #43
No, I am talking about a germanic warrior who became a champion gladiator in Roman britain......................his name is on the vase itself FFS!!!!!!!!!! :)
sorry,BB,can you not see the pictures I have posted or what?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
5 May 2011 #44
Sarmats lived in Germania.

Acording to Tacitus' Germania Germans lived in Germania and Sarmats lived in Sarmatia and both peoples feared each other. All Indo-European peoples have common ancestors but by the time of the late Roman Republic, and Empire, Germans and Sarmatians were different peoples.
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
5 May 2011 #45
Calm down! :)

Never mind calm down.my mouth is full of humble pie and flat cap...............seems the Gladiator was called Valentinius,and was attached to one of the legions on the Rhine........so,maybe a local,maybe not..................:)

How many of you are actual LAWYERS?

Quite a few people on this site are TBH.

But,incase you refer to my posting a big 'orrible nazi picture.tough cookies, Im in the UK ,the site is hosted in the USA ,neither countries yet have ironic laws outlawing symbols in the name of freedom......
Polepp
5 May 2011 #46
what is TBH?

I think Kate was talking about 1940-1942 Hitler Nazi Swastika displayed in public... which
is Nazi symbol punishable by the law...

and not about some ancient swastikas..
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
5 May 2011 #47
The origins of the swastika and spurious legends about Sarmatians are irrelevant. Public displays of Nazi symbols are not. In this case however, it just seems to be a guy selling memorabilia and antiques, rather than racists displaying banners or spraying grafitti. Shops, museums, websites, art galleries etc aren't a public display - nobody sees them unless they go out of their way to do so.

If anything else were the case, the Zachęta Gallery in Warsaw would be liable for prosecution for its recent controversial exhibiton of photos. So would the Army Museum, the memorial at Oświęcim, the Uprising Museum and just about every antique dealer in the country.

In any case, the OP seems to be a troll.
Polepp
5 May 2011 #48
Shops, museums, websites, art galleries etc aren't a public display - nobody sees them unless they go out of their way to do so.

Not really... they are displayed in public, free to access by ANYONE
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
5 May 2011 #49
I think Kate was talking about 1940-1942 Hitler Nazi Swastika displayed in public... which
is Nazi symbol punishable by the law...

No it is not. Simple.
If it was the police would be arresting re enactors left right and centre in August and september every year in Poland!


  • Mokotow, warsaw,last couple of years.....
Harry
5 May 2011 #50
Polish organisations also used swastikas:

Swastika

14 more examples are shown at Polish wikipedia: pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastyka#Na_ziemiach_polskich
wildrover 98 | 4,451
5 May 2011 #51
there is a big zlot coming up in Borno sullinovo....

there will be lots of Nazi symbols on display , not to mention lots of Red army ones , and i dare say a few from various Muslim terrorist organisations....

The policja will be attending the zlot too... to direct traffic and look for lost kids...

Everyone will have a great time , and hopefully some of the younger people will learn a bit of history...
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
5 May 2011 #52
Polish organisations also used swastikas

Highlanders unit badge;
(The swastikas which appear in unit's logos have no relation whatsoever to the swastikas used by German Nazi movement. Swastika was a common geometric ornament in the folk culture of Tatra mountains and for that reason the it was adopted by highlander units of Polish army. The usage of swastikas by highlander regiments of Polish army predates the rise of NSDAP.)



JonnyM 11 | 2,621
5 May 2011 #53
Not really... they are displayed in public, free to access by ANYONE

Anyone who makes the effort to go and see them. That isn't "in public".

The law in question though, is a perfect example of the incompetent drafting of laws in Poland.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
5 May 2011 #54
It's a shame that a perfectly good symbol was so misused by the Nazi. They ruined it. They also ruined the name "Adolph" and of course Hitler made his version of the mustache unacceptable as well.
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
5 May 2011 #55
As an incidental to this, I a few weeks back bought a DVD of a film called Eichmann,no prizes for guessing who that was about (again though,Thomas Kretschmann must get so bored of playing nazis...) , I discovered it has a reversable cover for the DVD case,the one on show had a huge swastika the one on the inside,presumably for softie euro countries had not a trace of a swastika or any other naziness anywhere.........
Harry
5 May 2011 #56
I always knew that "Middle Earth" was ancient Germania! :)

Well, that would make the SS Urqui...

Well, that would make the SS Urqui...

Sorry I mean 'original Waffen SS' and 'Uruk-ha'


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