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PUBLIC DISPLAYS OF SWASTIKA AND NAZI SYMBOLS in Krakow, Poland - Where I should report them?


Kate1988
5 May 2011  #1
I know about PUBLIC DISPLAYS OF SWASTIKA AND NAZI SYMBOLS in Krakow

- Where I should report them??

I read on wikipedia that there is law in PL that DISPLAYS OF SWASTIKA AND NAZI SYMBOLS
is punishable by EIGHT YEARS of PRISON.

But where is this law exactly?

Where can it be read?

I want to know the exact implications of it before going to Police.

Thank you very much
ShAlEyNsTfOh 4 | 161
5 May 2011  #2
um.. as in any other country in the world... try the POLICE, perhaps?
wildrover 98 | 4,452
5 May 2011  #3
Is this a bunch of Nazis waving their flags.... or just a historical display...?
helpful
5 May 2011  #4
s punishable by EIGHT YEARS of PRISON.

up to 8 years

- Where I should report them??

Go to the police and inform them about commission of a crime.

You can also try to contact antifacist organisations such as Nigdy Więcej.
Harry
5 May 2011  #5
I read on wikipedia that there is law in PL that DISPLAYS OF SWASTIKA AND NAZI SYMBOLS is punishable by EIGHT YEARS of PRISON.

The first rule of Wikipedia is you do not take as gospel anything you read on Wikipedia but you instead check real sources.
The second rule of Wikipedia is you do not take as gospel anything you read on Wikipedia but you instead check real sources, especially when the article in question involves Poland.
wildrover 98 | 4,452
5 May 2011  #6
Why not come to the historical zlot in Borno sullinovo....?

There will be lots of people in German uniform , lots of military vehicles with swastika,s on...

You can really get your knickers in a twist there...
alexw68
5 May 2011  #7
There is an earlier law (Kodeks Karny, 1997) which sentences up to two years in prison:

Kto publicznie propaguje faszystowski lub inny totalitarny ustrój państwa lub nawołuje do nienawiści na tle różnic narodowościowych, etnicznych, rasowych, wyznaniowych albo ze względu na bezwyznaniowość, podlega grzywnie, karze ograniczenia wolności albo pozbawienia wolności do lat 2.

Whoever publically propagates fascist or other totalitarian modes of goverment [...] is subject to a fine, restrictions on freedom or loss of freedom for a period of two years.

I think the later variant is the one pushed through by PiS last year which also bans Communist paraphernalia in the same way. Frankly it's the usual PiS posturing and the likelihood of actual prosecution arising from Poland's notoriously imprecise legislature is minimal - inference from the pictures of Bierut hanging in the window of the Proletaryat pub here in Poznań.

In any case, given the wording of the law itself, it would be incumbent on any plaintiff to prove that the mere public presence of these artefacts constitutes 'propagation' - ie, is it definitely being used to convince people to support the Nazi/Fascist ideology?

Propagowanie, w rozumieniu art. 256 k.k., oznacza każde zachowanie polegające na publicznym prezentowaniu faszystowskiego lub innego totalitarnego ustroju państwa, w zamiarze przekonania do niego.

Propagation [in this law] denotes any behaviour entailing the public presentation of fascist [...] with the aim of persuasion

Well, there's your question. Is it? Personally I'd burn the bloody stuff but the law needs proof of intent if you expect any kind of prosecution.
southern 75 | 7,096
5 May 2011  #8
PUBLIC DISPLAYS OF SWASTIKA AND NAZI SYMBOLS in Krakow - Where I should report them??

I heard a site called Stormfront which gets such reports.
OP Kate1988
5 May 2011  #9
Which is the law that says "up to 8 years of imprisonment" and where can I read it?

This is very serious stuff.

I cannot go to Police if I don't know the number of the law,
because I do not speak Polish.
Harry
5 May 2011  #10
The first rule of Wikipedia is you do not take as gospel anything you read on Wikipedia but you instead check real sources.
The second rule of Wikipedia is you do not take as gospel anything you read on Wikipedia but you instead check real sources, especially when the article in question involves Poland.

Sorry to quote myself but I just read the source which is given in Wikipedia as supporting the statement "In Poland, public display of Nazi symbols, including the Nazi swastika, is a criminal offence punishable by up to eight years of imprisonment." The source makes no mention of public display of Nazi symbols but actually states that "Markets in western Poland have profited from German neo-fascists buying Third-Reich memorabilia such as swastikas and pictures of Hitler that are prohibited under their own country's stringent regulations."

Good to see that Wikipedia is as bang on the money as usual when it comes to Poland-related topics....
alexw68
5 May 2011  #11
This is very serious stuff.

As yet you've not really established that here. More detail, please.

And the hell with the eight year law, use the one from 1997 (subsequently updated - this may in fact be the same statute) - as follows:

Kodeks karny (Ustawa z dnia 6 czerwca 1997 r. z późniejszymi zmianami): Art. 256

But if I'm absolutely honest the chances of you getting a result in a police station with zero Polish are ... slight. You'll need an ally on the ground, who should probably have a legal background. And even then, for the reasons I've given above (and what Harry has said about how the thing is actually enforced in practice), a result is improbable.

Unless there's something you've not yet told us. In which case, please do so.
OP Kate1988
5 May 2011  #12
Well it is a seller of nazi memorabilia, he sells objects with swastikas on them,
and he sells them in public display,
and he also displays them on a public website with more than 1 million monthly visitors.

It is exactly the definition of public display of swastikas.

I know that people overlook the law many times,
but this is very serious stuff, if there is law who sways up to 8 years in prison for this
alexw68
5 May 2011  #13
but this is very serious stuff, if there is law who sways up to 8 years in prison for this

Already told you what the bloody law says. Does this or does this not constitute persuasion? If not, no case.
OP Kate1988
5 May 2011  #14
no, these in these pictures are not SWASTIKAS
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
5 May 2011  #15
Since the swastika is an ancient symbol and is also known by various other names it is difficult to see how owning one can be a crime. Unfortunately, the Germans made this symbol reprehensible and its association with Nazism permanently taints and stigmatizes it.

China, Japan, India, parts of southern Europe. and even the Americas have used this equilateral cross in their cultures. Could displaying one that represents India be illegal?

Good to see that Wikipedia is as bang on the money as usual when it comes to Poland-related topics....

It's noticeable that your anti Polish venom is accelerating. It has crossed the line from benign to toxic. Please discuss this virulent condition with your therapist or with your God. That rabbit hole you are plunging into has no bottom and only mad men can inhabit it.
Harry
5 May 2011  #16
It's noticeable that your anti Polish venom is accelerating. It has crossed the line from benign to toxic.

Sorry, I must have missed the bit where Wikipedia became Polish.

Well it is a seller of nazi memorabilia, he sells objects with swastikas on them,
and he sells them in public display,

Go to the local police station and report him then. Coppers like a good laugh as much as the next man.
antheads 13 | 344
5 May 2011  #17
See this is where these laws falls into the area of ridiculous censorship.

btw b4 u go to the police relize about 10-20 percent of them are part of skinhead/nationalist organisations so pick the right policjant!
wildrover 98 | 4,452
5 May 2011  #18
Well it is a seller of nazi memorabilia, he sells objects with swastikas on them,
and he sells them in public display,

Can you provide a link to the website....i would like to buy some of this stuff....?

Are you aware Kate , that most of the nazi uniforms and equipment used by re,enactment groups is made in Poland...?
enkidu 7 | 623
5 May 2011  #19
Art. 256.
(...)
§ 3. Nie popełnia przestępstwa sprawca czynu zabronionego określonego w § 2, je-
żeli dopuścił się tego czynu w ramach działalności artystycznej, edukacyjnej,
kolekcjonerskiej lub naukowej.
(...)

This is interesting. It seems that it is allowed to wear ss uniform with swastika etc in Poland as long as it is for "artistic, educational, collection or science purposes".
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
5 May 2011  #20
There will be lots of people in German uniform , lots of military vehicles with swastika,s on...

You can really get your knickers in a twist there...

lol
Come on everybody!
Let's see a nazi hail!
All you looking good!

I'm gonna sing my song
It won't take long!
We're gonna do the twist
and it goes like this:

Come on let's twist again,
like we did in Blitzkrieg!
Yeaaah, let's twist again,
like der Fuhrer can!

Do you remember when,
panzers were really hummin',
Yeaaaah, let's twist again,
Nazi spring is here!

wildrover 98 | 4,452
5 May 2011  #21
This is not a neo nazi parading down the street waving the flag , its some guy just selling second world war medals and stuff.....

Get yourself a hobby Kate , and stop worrying about it... the Policja are not going to be the slightest bit interested in checking this out....
Crow 137 | 7,632
5 May 2011  #22
PUBLIC DISPLAYS OF SWASTIKA

Its alright to display swastika publicly. Its ancient Slavic (Proto Slavic) symbol

NAZI SYMBOLS

its something else. Nazis were proven anti-Slavs

speaking in general, Nazis hijacked swastika and that way harmed Slavic heritage even spiritually
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
5 May 2011  #23
Its alright to display swastika publicly. Its ancient Slavic (Proto Slavic) symbol

Feck me, if this thread was about haagen dazs ice-cream, you’d probably fume over how the Germanics together with the Islamic league stole the ancient slavic ice-cream recepy
Crow 137 | 7,632
5 May 2011  #24
Feck me

??

what`s your problem man? why you upset my PM relaxation with your simple-minded comments? Go, take your cable and feck yourself
z_darius 14 | 3,969
5 May 2011  #25
I know about PUBLIC DISPLAYS OF SWASTIKA AND NAZI SYMBOLS in Krakow

- Where I should report them??

There is a little recursive problem with these silly rules.

If people can't display a swastika then eventually subsequent generations won't know how a swastika looks, which will make it impossible for them to avoid displaying it since they wouldn't know they are displaying a swastika. Consequently,since ignorance of the law is not a mitigating factor, the law would turn them into swastika displaying criminals.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
5 May 2011  #26
if this thread was about haagen dazs ice-cream,

Häagen-Dazs is a brand of ice cream, established by Polish Jewish immigrants Reuben and Rose Mattus in the Bronx, New York, in 1961.
antheads 13 | 344
5 May 2011  #27
Sorry, I must have missed the bit where Wikipedia became Polish.

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strona_g%C5%82%C3%B3wna

Thats because u eat english food, drink english beer and hang out with english mates,
polish reality passes you by
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
5 May 2011  #28
Whoever publically propagates fascist or other totalitarian modes of goverment [...] is subject to a fine, restrictions on freedom or loss of freedom for a period of two years.

Who else se's the irony here?
Harry
5 May 2011  #29
Clearly the original poster was not referring to that site given that:
a) she says that she does not speak Polish; and
b) she says "wikipedia" not "Polish wikipedia"; and
the article on Polish wikipedia makes no mention at all of the legal status of the swastika in Poland (pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastyka#Na_ziemiach_polskich).

polish reality passes you by

Unlike you, who is completely by-passed by reality.
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
5 May 2011  #30
Häagen-Dazs is a brand of ice cream, established by Polish Jewish immigrants Reuben and Rose Mattus in the Bronx, New York, in 1961.

heh even better, a cone of ice-cream with a zionist twist a that looks just like the proto-slavic swastika when seen from the Mar's orbit...

why you upset my PM relaxation with your simple-minded comments?

then go relaxing in the restroom (where your views belong) and stop discharging your bowels here on PF, it still stinks from the last time you shat your gazillionth slavija turd. Others would like relax here as well without your constant stench


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