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Permanent stay in Poland for a engaged brazilian?


Snjarulf 1 | 1
16 Sep 2013 #1
Dobry wieczór!

My name is Cesar, a 20 years old polish-brazilian from...Brazil :duh:
I'd like to know if it's possible for me to move there permanently for I intend to study and work as well.
If so, how difficult is it?
Well, I'm an English teacher and writer, so I'm basically fluent at the language (despite not being native).
Also, I'm studying Polish here where I live and know some things (well...really few things, haha) but I can say that is not enough to have a 'deep' conversation yet lol.

Honestly, I'm quite ashamed of having to come here (nothing against the forum, of course), you know...being immigrant(?) is not a cool thing for me. But as my grand-mother was a Pole, so...well.

I've applied for my citizenship but my great-grand-parents came here in 1912, thus the procedure is being quite tiresome and it seems it'll be impossible. (for me, the reason is just unfair, but anyway - this is not the matter here).

Just some another questions/observations:
I'm engaged - Is there a way to bring my fiancée with me? She speaks english and a bit of french as well

I'd like to live in Gdansk/Gdynia for I want to study at the University of Gdansk (Philology - Scandinavian studies); Is it possible for me to study there?; Is it a good university (cost-benefit)?

Is there a lot of muslims there? I mean...well, you know. Just feel a bit unsafe with muslims around as I read news on the internet (Don't mean any disrespect, anyway)

I apologise for posting a first prolix thread like that...I just like detailing things ;p and well, I'll be really glad if I get any answer and please, be nice ):

Dziękuję!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
16 Sep 2013 #2
I'd like to know if it's possible for me to move there permanently for I intend to study and work as well.

It's certainly possible. But it won't be permanent until you've had five years of a clear work history.

If so, how difficult is it?

Depends on what you can do. Moving here to study is easy, not so easy to find a job that will let you stay as a worker and not a student.

I've applied for my citizenship but my great-grand-parents came here in 1912, thus the procedure is being quite tiresome and it seems it'll be impossible. (for me, the reason is just unfair, but anyway - this is not the matter here).

I wouldn't even bother, as they weren't citizens of a Polish Republic.

I'm engaged - Is there a way to bring my fiancée with me? She speaks english and a bit of french as well

If she studies or works, then yes.

Is there a lot of muslims there? I mean...well, you know. Just feel a bit unsafe with muslims around as I read news on the internet (Don't mean any disrespect, anyway)

Yes, there are plenty.
OP Snjarulf 1 | 1
18 Sep 2013 #3
Thank you for the reply!
McDouche 6 | 285
18 Sep 2013 #4
There aren't all that many Muslims in Poland...at least not on the level of western Europe anyway. Do not worry though, Polish Muslims are well assimilated much like most American Muslims. They are not hateful anti-Semites who show disrespect for the new country they've moved to like some Muslims in western Europe.
Monitor 14 | 1,820
18 Sep 2013 #5
University of Gdańsk is one of better. But you study philology, so only your knowledge of studied language matters later. Scandinavian language is a good choice. I think demand for people speaking such languages is higher now than supply in Poland. About costs you must know how much you have to pay, so we cannot help you more. The city is maybe 4th the most expensive in Poland.

Depends on what you can do. Moving here to study is easy, not so easy to find a job that will let you stay as a worker and not a student.

I think the law says that an alien must stay legally for at least 5 years and have good job at the moment of applying for permanent stay permit. That would mean that studying time would be included into 5 years period. It makes it much easier. Just 4 years studies and 5th year work. You could even pay somebody for the last year to employ you, just to get this permit. Then with permit it's much easier to search for job.

But I am not an layer so somebody should confirm that or deny.

I have found an layer opinion about this matter: karta-pobytu.pl/porada_prawna/3587/Nieprzerwany-pobyt-w-Polsce

So the most important is that during this 5 years you cannot leave Poland for longer than 10 months and single leave cannot last longer than 6 months. (It's better to have papers proving that, when applying).

exceptions:
- medical care abroad
- delegation to work abroad by Polish company

And about study time, it counts as 50% of time spend studying. So In the case I wrote before: 4 years studies + 1 year work, they would count you 2 + 1. I guess it's in order to hinder getting permanent permit by all foreign students in Poland.

And your fiance has the same right to come here as any foreigner. You should marry her in order for her to be able to stay in Poland without work and studies there.
maslanka 1 | 11
18 Nov 2013 #6
Hi! I would like join in the question since I am also looking for a way to obtain permanent residence in Poland. I am a non-EU citizen but finished both secondary and high school education in the UK.

I have finished 4 academic-years of music degree in Warsaw - 1 year of Staż artystyczny (it's meant to be a post-graduate diploma course but in my case it was the starter) and 3-year-long Bachelor of Music course.

Now I am in the middle of application for karta pobytu for my individual study year in Gdańsk - I was told it is occasionally possible to get temporary residence on the basis of individual study outside institution. I am waiting for the result.

By September 2014, I would have completed 5 years of legal stay (on grounds of karta pobytu and twice on Schengen visas issued by Polish consulate in Berlin). I would really like to apply for a Master's degree for another two years of legalized stay here but unfortunately cannot afford the high tuition fees - 10000 EUR annually + living costs.

What are the ways (as you mentioned) of getting employed to extend my stay? Do you know some firms or organizations providing such services?

I will be most grateful for your help. These last months I've been going through a living hell trying to work things out and any help will be most appreciated!

Many thanks!
Monitor 14 | 1,820
18 Nov 2013 #7
So according to my link you should count 50% of your time spent in Poland studying, when applying for " pobyt rezydenta długoterminowego"

The period of stay referred to above includes half of the period of stay of a foreigner on the basis of a visa granted in connection with studies or vocational training or on the basis of a residence permit for a fixed period, granted in connection with the start or continuation of full-time or part-time studies PhD.

and you write:

I have finished 4 academic-years of music degree in Warsaw - 1 year of Staż artystyczny (it's meant to be a post-graduate diploma course but in my case it was the starter) and 3-year-long Bachelor of Music course.

I am not sure what is " - 1 year of Staż artystyczny", but I guess that it's 4 years study + 1 work + 3 study is converted to (4 + 3)/2 + 1 = 4.5. So if you can stay up to full 5 years and meet all other conditions, like:

- you haven't left Poland in last 5 years for more than 6 months per year and less than 10 months total
- you have a job
- you have insurance
, then you can apply for long-term residence permit to your "wojewoda"

So now if you don't have work visa you should find some company which would like to sponsor your visa. Unfortunately as far as I know artists don't have it easy when searching for job.

But I think that graduates of Polish universities have a right for 1 or 2 year work permit. So IMHO you should go into this direction. Then learn what does it mean "stable resources sufficient to live without recourse to the social assistance system of the EU country concerned;" and find a job which meets this criteria.

If it's impossible and you have some money you can fake employment. For example you officially work for somebody for 1 year, you get average salary, you pay all taxes, but in realty you return half (or more) of your net income to employer.

Here I read about graduated of Polish universities not requiring work permit:

At the same time, in accordance with the Regulation of the Minister of Labor and Social Policy of 20 July 2011 on cases in which it is permissible to perform work for a foreigner on the territory of the Republic of Poland without the need to obtain a work permit (Journal of Laws of 2011, No. 155 , item 919) from the obligation to obtain a work permit, foreigners were released:(...) graduates of Polish upper secondary schools, full-time studies or full-time doctoral studies at Polish universities, at scientific institutes of the Polish Academy of Sciences or research institutes operating on the basis of regulations on research institutes;

This website explains also procedures, so you should search how to proceed with work search/permit there IMHO.
maslanka 1 | 11
18 Nov 2013 #8
I am not sure what is " - 1 year of Staż artystyczny", but I guess that it's 4 years study + 1 work + 3 study is converted to (4 + 3)/2 + 1 = 4.5.

Hi! Thank you so much for your reply. A lot of really useful information!

Do you know how to take 'individual study (nauka supposed to studia)' into this calculation formula? As I wrote, now I am in Gdańsk for a sort of 'Gap year' thing just to receive private tutoring on piano playing. Because if it counts as a normal study, I would have completed only 2.5 years by next September, exactly half way.

But I think that graduates of Polish universities have a right for 1 or 2 year work permit.

Does it apply to an undergraduate as well? I am yet to start on a master's degree. In Polish, I would have to say I am a licencjat. My licentiate study was a stationary one.

Sorry to ask too many questions at once. Just one last thing: Do you know what kind of jobs might fall into this category? As you already pointed out, it is very difficult (if not impossible) for an undergraduate with performing music degree to find a job. Would it be sufficient if I somehow got a teaching job at a private music or English school?

Many many thanks and looking forward to hearing from you!
Monitor 14 | 1,820
18 Nov 2013 #9
Use google translate often. Especially translate my quotations and websites which I've linked to.

Do you know how to take 'individual study (nauka supposed to studia)' into this calculation formula?

"Do okresu pobytu, o którym mowa powyżej, zalicza się połowę okresu pobytu cudzoziemca na podstawie wizy udzielonej w związku z odbywaniem studiów lub szkolenia zawodowego lub na podstawie zezwolenia na zamieszkanie na czas oznaczony, udzielonego w związku z podjęciem lub kontynuacją stacjonarnych studiów wyższych lub stacjonarnych studiów doktoranckich." - from my understanding individual study would count as any study, which is 50%.

Does it apply to an undergraduate as well? I am yet to start on a master's degree. In Polish, I would have to say I am a licencjat. My licentiate study was a stationary one.

as it says here "będących absolwentami polskich szkół ponadgimnazjalnych, stacjonarnych studiów wyższych lub stacjonarnych studiów doktoranckich na polskich uczelniach, w instytutach naukowych Polskiej Akademii Nauk lub instytutach badawczych działających na podstawie przepisów o instytutach badawczych;" licencjat is ok as long as it was not extramural.

: Do you know what kind of jobs might fall into this category? As you already pointed out, it is very difficult (if not impossible) for an undergraduate with performing music degree to find a job. Would it be sufficient if I somehow got a teaching job at a private music or English school?

I don't know that's why I told you to find out. Maybe they say here: migrant.info.pl/Permit_to_settle.html. Maybe somebody else in this forum knows. I would guess that it must be full time employment, better for more than minimum salary. I think you can ask Wojewoda office for best information. The lawyer writing here should know it too: karta-pobytu.pl/porada_prawna/3587/Nieprzerwany-pobyt-w-Polsce

Read also that: https://polishforums.com/work/poland-study-employment-opportunities-65814/


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