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researchers 4 | 19
15 Jun 2013 #1
i just wanted to know if Poland is good place to live and do some decent job, what is the economic status in the present time inside the country, what do the citizens feel about it, what are the problems they face in the country with living and jobs, what about the programs and study do people make in Poland for their living etc ..

Just you can share out your experience and ideas about it

or some suggestions to make Poland better in your eyes,

I posted this thread because i saw people from different parts and continents are moving to Europe and specially in Poland but why ?

{ This thread is not posted for searching jobs or studies please remember }
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
15 Jun 2013 #2
i just wanted to know if Poland is good place to live and do some decent job

Of course not, 5% of Poles left the country over the last decade.

what is the economic status in the present time inside the country

It's very bad, largely due to general crisis in Europe, however I see not much chance for really rapid improvement even when the crisis is over.

I posted this thread because i saw people from different parts and continents are moving to Europe and specially in Poland but why ?

Middlemen, who get the fees from private schools for each student they find tell them that nonsense. There are some good schools in Poland and in some cases it could make sense for foreigners to study here but in vast majority of cases these are not schools, which are actively searching for foreign students, it's rather the other way around. If any guy in India or elsewhere tell people that Poland is a land of milk and honey and once they get a diploma of some 3rd rate private Polish school, they will make a fantastic career, just kick the cheater in his stinking ass.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
15 Jun 2013 #3
Of course not, 5% of Poles left the country over the last decade.

And how many returned?

It's very bad, largely due to general crisis in Europe, however I see not much chance for really rapid improvement even when the crisis is over.

Yes, because you don't want improvement. You want to see the destruction of Poland.

Poland in the early 90's was "very bad". Now? don't be ridiculous.
Jardinero 1 | 405
15 Jun 2013 #4
Grzegorz_:Of course not, 5% of Poles left the country over the last decade.
And how many returned?

The figure that is repeated in political discussions is +/- 2 million, i.e. those who reside/remain outside of PL, predominantly young people <40.
It could very well be that this figure includes those returning, as well as those leaving.
OP researchers 4 | 19
15 Jun 2013 #5
So people are moving out of poland more or staying more in poland to search jobs

and what about this poor foreigners or students who come from the world and stay in Poland just to search jobs

I have few friends in poland some are poles and some from different countries all of them are having a different experience in living there

some just got jobs in companies just with the high school qualification diploma and some are still searching for jobs with their Phd degree

What is this ? i really dont understood that why companies dont hire the right person for the right job .

Maybe i can be wrong also with the facts just sharing what i knew from the sources my friends

Maybe people here know better
peaceman
15 Jun 2013 #6
So people are moving out of poland more or staying more in poland to search jobs

If we look at stats the outbound traffic is greater, most people I see moving to Poland are economical migrants from Asia,Africa and the Piigs.

and what about this poor foreigners or students who come from the world and stay in Poland just to search jobs

I hope they have some money to support themselves during the lean times, when you have no money Poland can be unforgiving.

I have few friends in poland some are poles and some from different countries all of them are having a different experience in living there

Nothing is ever equal in any country.

some just got jobs in companies just with the high school qualification diploma and some are still searching for jobs with their Phd degree

Some got jobs because they applied for the right jobs in outsource companies, the others just don't understand the market yet.

What is this ? i really dont understood that why companies dont hire the right person for the right job

They do, its just that many foreigners coming here just don't understand Polish reality.

Maybe i can be wrong also with the facts just sharing what i knew from the sources my friends

If you are Planning to move to Poland to look for a job, make sure you have a return ticket.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
15 Jun 2013 #7
some just got jobs in companies just with the high school qualification diploma and some are still searching for jobs with their Phd degree

What is this ? i really dont understood that why companies dont hire the right person for the right job .

What's so strange ? People who are for example fluent in English and a native Spanish or Arabic or Russian speaker, they should find some call centre kind of jobs and a fact that they don't have university level education is irrelevant as they are not needed in most of these jobs. While someone who has Phd in some social science but not much of practical skills and experience is "overqualified" for junior positions and is lacking experience/skills for senior ones, especially If doesn't speak Polish and don't know local reality.
Ant63 13 | 410
15 Jun 2013 #8
And how many returned?

This would make a really interesting discussion if only there were some solid facts to debate with. I don't believe any UK figures and the latest census cannot be relied on at all. The buggers changed my nationality and added "ski" to the end of my surname when the council tax bill came through. Slightly irritated by that and slightly amused at the same time.

We have a very large Polish community where I live and are well connected. I know of two that have left but there of course more. There have been a lot of new arrivals recently that I am aware of. Not that I keep count but as a hairdresser my partner gets asked if she knows of rooms to rent by friends of friends.

So I would say from Poland its still a positive flow.

It doesn't help agencies are still posting jobs in Poland which appear to be non existent.
DominicB - | 2,709
16 Jun 2013 #10
I posted this thread because i saw people from different parts and continents are moving to Europe and specially in Poland but why ?

There are a lot of scams operating now that prey on unsuspecting citizens of developing countries, promising them a good life in the EU using Poland as a back door to the wealthier western European countries.

Apparently, this forum has gotten a reputation as the place to look. This forum is littered with posts from people from India, Nigeria and other third world countries asking about work, study or even paper marriages in Poland, and all seem to have fallen for the BS spread by scam artists, and regurgitate the absolute nonsense they have heard. It's amazing how many third-worlders post here.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
16 Jun 2013 #11
As far as I know, the only people moving to Poland in any numbers are the original employees of businesses with new factories which have opened on Polish soil. For example, LG, etc.
DominicB - | 2,709
16 Jun 2013 #12
You forgot about all the British and Irish boyfriends of Polish girls who moved back to Poland to be close to their families. They're a perennial broken-record on this forum :)
peterweg 37 | 2,319
16 Jun 2013 #13
It's very bad, largely due to general crisis in Europe, however I see not much chance for really rapid improvement even when the crisis is over.

In Poland GDP per capita PPP has increase 78% since 2004. The figures for the US and UK are 26% and 23% respectively. Every single year since 1992 Poles standard of living has been increasing.

tradingeconomics.com/poland/gdp-per-capita-ppp

Unlike the rest of Europe Poland has not had a recession, so Poland is doing very goodand will recover quickly due to the low levels of public and private debt.

If you want to see which country is doing really bad, look at Spain

tradingeconomics.com/spain/gdp-per-capita
DominicB - | 2,709
16 Jun 2013 #14
In Poland GDP per capita PPP has increase 78% since 2004. The figures for the US and UK are 26% and 23% respectively.

Apples and oranges. Poland was far behind the west 10 years ago, and, in spite of the growth, still has a good deal of catching up to do.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
16 Jun 2013 #15
Unlike the rest of Europe Poland has not had a recession, so Poland is doing very good and will recover quickly due to the low levels of public and private debt.

Stop reading propaganda ********* and check first hand how things look like.
peterweg 37 | 2,319
16 Jun 2013 #16
and check first hand how things look like.

When did you last go to Poland?

Things in Krakow look pretty good, is all I can say.

Maybe the economic statistics from everywhere are wrong and Poland does not looking like a vibrant, growing, economy. Maybe I imagined the new roads, investment and building work.

Maybe you are right or maybe you are just a miserable pessimistic bastard.
Ironside 50 | 11,475
16 Jun 2013 #17
nlike the rest of Europe Poland has not had a recession, so Poland is doing very good and will recover quickly due to the low levels of public and private debt.

Well economical statistics and all charts are one thing and quite the other are conditions people have tp put up on the ground. Their perspective for improvement and such.
peterweg 37 | 2,319
16 Jun 2013 #18
Their perspective for improvement and such.

Wages are ****, true. But its getting better, thats undeniable. Spain has 27% unemployment (70% youth unemployment) and it is NOT going to get better, possibly ever.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
16 Jun 2013 #19
When did you last go to Poland?

lol...

Things in Krakow look pretty good, is all I can say.

When you come as a tourist.

Poland does not looking like a vibrant, growing, economy.

It sure doesn't.

But its getting better

Where ? Situation on the labour market is terrible, debt is growing rapidly, tax burden is growing, GDP growth is pretty much flat.
DominicB - | 2,709
16 Jun 2013 #20
Maybe I imagined the new roads, investment and building work.

You did. Development in the infrastructure and building industry have slowed down considerably. A lot of my civil engineer friends have lost their jobs, or soon will. Even managers. Granted, it took longer to collapse in Poland than elsewhere, but collapse it did.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
16 Jun 2013 #21
This is partially due to the EU budget cycle - 2013 is always going to be a slow year as all the money has been more or less spent.

Where ? Situation on the labour market is terrible, debt is growing rapidly, tax burden is growing, GDP growth is pretty much flat.

The situation on the labour market isn't terrible at all. Terrible was 1991, not 2013. Debt isn't growing rapidly at all, minimum wage is increasing and GDP growth is still positive.

It might not be a bed of roses, but it certainly isn't terrible.

Then again Greggy, it is your job to post this stuff, isn't it?
DominicB - | 2,709
16 Jun 2013 #22
This is partially due to the EU budget cycle - 2013 is always going to be a slow year as all the money has been more or less spent.

Actually, more like the major building firms not getting paid for a lot of the work they did to prepare for EURO 2012. They'll be in court for many years trying to recover a fraction of what they are owed. The city of Wrocław is being sued left and right. A lot of the minor firms and subcontractors were wiped out.
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
16 Jun 2013 #23
You forgot about all the British and Irish boyfriends of Polish girls who moved back to Poland to be close to their families. They're a perennial broken-record on this forum :)

;D

Things in Krakow look pretty good, is all I can say.

Quick anecdote from an acquaintance-- he has a flat in Warsaw, unsold for 3 years, now has tenants. He was asking just under 500K PLN for a 70sqm flat. Am I wrong -- it doesn't seem expensive for Warsaw (unless there's a part of Warsaw that isn't really Warsaw and kite flying goes on there). So, if that's true for Warsaw...?
KazikowskiK
10 Jul 2013 #24
Grzegorz_:
Where ? Situation on the labour market is terrible, debt is growing rapidly, tax burden is growing, GDP growth is pretty much flat.

The situation on the labour market isn't terrible at all. Terrible was 1991, not 2013. Debt isn't growing rapidly at all, minimum wage is increasing and GDP growth is still positive.

This is great. Delph VS Grzeg. Both saying contradictory things. Who's correct?
Ryz - | 43
10 Jul 2013 #25
I'm not going to get involved in the discussion but generally speaking I share my views with Delph and peterweg's.
Kazikowski 17 | 101
10 Jul 2013 #26
I share my views with Delph

I guess that adds credibility.
Ryz - | 43
10 Jul 2013 #27
I guess that adds credibility.




Kazikowski 17 | 101
10 Jul 2013 #28
LOL, when I read what I wrote, I too thought the same.
Ryz - | 43
10 Jul 2013 #29
hahaha! it did make me wonder!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
11 Jul 2013 #30
This is great. Delph VS Grzeg. Both saying contradictory things. Who's correct?

Greg wants to see disaster and doom and gloom in line with his political ideology.

On the other hand, I see it for what it is - a small downturn in a country that is still considerably richer than most.


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