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Poland's job offers advertising salary less than a minimum wage?


ufo973 10 | 89
14 Feb 2013  #1
Take this advertisement for an example gumtree.pl/cp-bar-restauracja-gastronomia/targowek/kebab-damascus-zabki-i-kebab-na-ul-powstancow-zabki-456571964

It is one of thousand jobs advertised everyday for salaries way below minimum wage. I am wondering is it allowed to offer jobs below minimum wage? and if not is there any system to track and punish these people? I seriously want to know please.

Regards,
hakuchha 3 | 27
14 Feb 2013  #2
5zl per hour, thats sick.
TommyG 1 | 361
14 Feb 2013  #3
5zloty? I wouldn't get out off bed for less than 30pln p/h... and that's a discount :P
OP ufo973 10 | 89
17 Feb 2013  #4
Is there a way to report these people to the police or something???
vincent smyd
17 Feb 2013  #5
I am sure they have ways to get around minimum wage as maybe hiring them as contractors etc or maybe giving them less hours.I wouldnt know.But I do know some employers who get around with some stupid loophole.
Warszawette - | 128
17 Feb 2013  #6
You must be dreaming! Employers do whatever they want and that's all, it's "take it or leave it". Because of high unemployment, there are always desperate people to accept anything and that's why employers act this way. It is the system and that's all, the police are not going to change the level of salaries ;)."lol"

There are millions of Poles going abroad for bred and it's their reaction to that
pantsless 1 | 267
17 Feb 2013  #7
and if not is there any system to track and punish these people? I seriously want to know please.

hahahahahahaha

Honestly, how naive can you get? This is Poland.
OP ufo973 10 | 89
17 Feb 2013  #8
It is the system and that's all, the police are not going to change the level of salaries ;)."lol"
There are millions of Poles going abroad for bred and it's their reaction to that

You do this in Germany or UK, you will be fined on the spot. And that is increasing salaries and life standard there otherwise they would also pack their stuff and leave their children for another countries for higher salaries.

And in Poland, even in this forum everybody is taking it so lightly...
Gezzababy
18 Feb 2013  #9
Minimum wage causes higher unemployment. Like 2x2 makes 4. Its a "phantom" solution, i.e. its sounds reasonable, but when you look ate the empirical results it invariably makes things worse. A bit like "sexual awareness classes" for teenagers.. ;)
jasondmzk
18 Feb 2013  #10
Minimum wage causes higher unemployment.

Sigh. Some people can't feed their families. Wow, can you believe that? Full-time workers can't feed their families. And businesses are gonna let themselves get deluged in customer complaints and lost sales rather than keep their staff full and fairly paid? What supply side horsecrap.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
18 Feb 2013  #11
You do this in Germany or UK, you will be fined on the spot.

Not in Germany, because Germany doesn't have a minimum wage. I have never worked in Germany, but i would imagine the culture in that country would prevent this type of exploitation
terri 1 | 1,620
18 Feb 2013  #12
Exploitation - in Germeny -....Get REAL.
In Germany, the unemployed are MADE to take jobs at below the minimum wage. 'Made' by being offered the job and if they don't take it, their benefit is withdrawn.

The difference in pay up to an amount decided by the stte is made up by the state.
In essence, the unemployed - now working are paid (wage and benefit) the same amount as someone who is freshly out of work. In this way the Government reduces the level of unemployment, the employers get someone at half-price and everybody is happy. You work, but you get the same amount as someone who is not working. The benefit of someone 'not working' is only paid for a minimum amount of time.
APF 4 | 106
18 Feb 2013  #13
In Germany, the unemployed are MADE to take jobs at below the minimum wage

WHat do you know about Germany?? They are maybe made to get jobs below the minimum wage, but the government pays them a flat till 51 qm for free (more when you have a family) and you also get Hartz 4 besides that, what is almost 400 Euro every month .. additional to that you work in a "1-Euro-Job", but you earn more than 1 Euro ... it is, that unemployment dont only live from the government, because the government sends them job offers for real jobs and they are mostly too lazy to work .. so if they dont work in a 1-Euro-Job after many years, Hartz 4 will be less then 400 Euro ..

Dont judge about Germany .. people from Poland and other poor countries come here every year to get Hartz 4 and a 1 Euro job .. the worst case in Germany is still better then the Upper Middleclass or even Upper class in Poland.
terri 1 | 1,620
18 Feb 2013  #14
Why do you automatically, (without giving us any concrete evidence that I can see), assume that I know 'nothing' about Germany.

My point, which you so obviously missed (in your anger to get back at me) was that - in Germany there is no minimum wage and the unemployed figures given by ther Government are minimised by those who work at the (as you say) 1Euro jobs.
milky 13 | 1,657
31 Mar 2013  #15
What supply side horsecrap.

eurofound.europa.eu/ewco/studies/tn0910026s/pl0910029q.htm
Anyone got a link that is more up to date,that shows things to have improved or worsened?
Working poor in Europe - Poland

Disclaimer: This information is made available as a service to the public but has not been edited or approved by the European Foundation for the Improvement of Living and Working Conditions. The content is the responsibility of the authors.

Statistical evidence indicates that the phenomenon of in-work poverty seems very relevant to the Polish situation. However, it is almost non-existent in the agenda of policymakers, employee or employer representatives. Poland reports among the highest rates of in-work poverty (12%) and one of the lowest employment rates (57%). Most of the working poor are 40 years or older, living in households composed of many people and with at least two, or often three, generations. Their presence in the labour market is clearly visible, but almost non-existent in the institutions of social or fiscal policy.

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